Electric Vehicles - Models Discussion

[Fermion]

I don't think solar on the vehicle would ever make sense money-wise. You'd be better off just charging from a 110v/15a socket.

Also a 100kwh battery is a heavy (and expensive) thing to lug around for 2 to 8 mile trips.

The problem is, once in awhile, maybe 4 times a year, we take a 200 mile round trip to the larger city. That would get quite annoying with a tiny battery that could not even make 1 way.

We can do the math on the solar. Assume you get 5kwh a day from the 1600 watts of panels, which are $0.50 a watt, or $800. At our rate of $0.12 per kwh, that is $0.60 a day. In a year, that is $219. Aside from opportunity costs of the $800, sounds like it would pay for itself in under 5 years.

 

[Car-Guy]

Looks like the cheapest CT will now be a 100k.

Tesla stops taking orders for cheapest Cybertruck, offers $100,000 version now

Tesla has stopped taking orders for the least expensive version of its Cybertruck, which is priced at $61,000, while making the $100,000 version available for immediate order and delivery as soon as this month, its website showed. Demand and supply for the Cybertruck are closely monitored by...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Midpack]

Looks like the cheapest CT will now be a 100k.

Tesla stops taking orders for cheapest Cybertruck, offers $100,000 version now

Tesla has stopped taking orders for the least expensive version of its Cybertruck, which is priced at $61,000, while making the $100,000 version available for immediate order and delivery as soon as this month, its website showed. Demand and supply for the Cybertruck are closely monitored by...

finance.yahoo.com

Thats been the cheapest model since they started deliveries. The Cyberbeast and the Foundation series were about $100K and $120K. The base model won’t be available until 2025 as noted in your link, and that was published from the start. All that’s actually changed is they’re not taking more reservations for the base model - they already have enough to keep production going for months/years. As you must know (Car-Guy), most legacy automakers only offer higher trim versions when new models roll out, not unique to Tesla. They all withhold lower trim, less profitable new models if they can.

 

[Fermion]

$100,00 Cybertruck outperformed in towing range by a 1971 Ford...sigh.

 

[Texas Proud]

Well, saw a Cyber truck in the wild on a side street in the neighborhood today... it was going the opposite direction so it was quick... still looks really weird..

 

[audreyh1]

Cybertruck looks pretty cool wrapped in black!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823445592183324908

 

[Car-Guy]

New Cyber Truck option?

 

[Texas Proud]

OHH, forgot to post... saw my 2nd one a couple of days ago...

BRIGHT BLUE!!! Must have had it wrapped... actually looked better than the silver..

 

[anothercog]

Considering leasing a VinFast. Seems like the 2024 models, particularly the Plus VF8 has resolved many of the issues flagged in the terrible early reviews. The current lease offer is compelling as well as their after purchase warranty (free roadside assistance, towing, payments for inconvenience, etc.). They seem to make extraordinary efforts to right past wrongs rushing their product to market. Wondering if anyone else has one or is looking into it.

I'm not a car guy, just need something decent to get me to point A to point B and lease offer on the VF8 plus is $249/mo with zero down (excluding taxes, registration fee). The Eco model is only $199/mo.

The interior looks very nice to me. Exterior is boring but I'm fine with that. 250 miles of range works fine for me too.

All things being equal, I would prefer a Prius but they are crazy expensive and all the dealerships around here are adding additional markups on them.

 

[Dean56]

Considering leasing a VinFast. Seems like the 2024 models, particularly the Plus VF8 has resolved many of the issues flagged in the terrible early reviews. The current lease offer is compelling as well as their after purchase warranty (free roadside assistance, towing, payments for inconvenience, etc.). They seem to make extraordinary efforts to right past wrongs rushing their product to market. Wondering if anyone else has one or is looking into it.

I'm not a car guy, just need something decent to get me to point A to point B and lease offer on the VF8 plus is $249/mo with zero down (excluding taxes, registration fee). The Eco model is only $199/mo.

The interior looks very nice to me. Exterior is boring but I'm fine with that. 250 miles of range works fine for me too.

All things being equal, I would prefer a Prius but they are crazy expensive and all the dealerships around here are adding additional markups on them.

Why not get a 2025 Camry. They are all Hybrid now.

 

[anothercog]

Why not get a 2025 Camry. They are all Hybrid now.

Having trouble bringing myself around to spend $40k on a Camry. They are nice though.

 

[braumeister]

Another interesting milestone.
There are now more EVs on the roads in Norway than ICE vehicles.
Of course, Norway is a special case, but a most interesting one.

Norway sees electric cars outnumber petrol models

 

[Midpack]

Another interesting milestone.
There are now more EVs on the roads in Norway than ICE vehicles.
Of course, Norway is a special case, but a most interesting one.

Norway sees electric cars outnumber petrol models

Norway and other Scandinavian countries are moving to BEVs faster than most countries, but that “milestone” may not be as it seems - there are still many more diesels than ICE or BEVs. The numbers in the first sentence don’t add up, and the article discloses same later in the text.

Of the 2.8 million private cars registered there, 754,303 are now all-electric, compared with 753,905 that run on petrol, according to new figures from the Norwegian Road Federation.

Despite this milestone, there is still work to be done. Diesel models remain most numerous at just under one million.

At present, nine out of 10 new cars sold in Norway are electric vehicles, industry figures indicate. And it's not hard to see why when you consider how much the authorities do to favour them.

 

[RetMD21]

Having trouble bringing myself around to spend $40k on a Camry. They are nice though.

My local dealer has lots in stock ranging from 30,500 to 41,000 including all the bs markups.

Used Bolts look like a deal to me if you can live with the limitations.

 

[homestead]

Was driving behind a cyber truck a couple weeks ago in the country. There was no reason for him to be braking on the road we were on but I think every time he let up on the accelerator the brake lights would come on. Maybe he was using one-petal driving.

 

[RetMD21]

Was driving behind a cyber truck a couple weeks ago in the country. There was no reason for him to be braking on the road we were on but I think every time he let up on the accelerator the brake lights would come on. Maybe he was using one-petal driving.

The brake lights go on with regenerative braking (which isn't using actual brakes)

 

[Zathras]

Was driving behind a cyber truck a couple weeks ago in the country. There was no reason for him to be braking on the road we were on but I think every time he let up on the accelerator the brake lights would come on. Maybe he was using one-petal driving.

My guess is he had a foot resting on the brake.
The brake lights are activated by regen braking. However, it is also dependent on an accelerometer. Brake lights will activate only when a certain level of deceleration is happening.

It is also possible that something was broken?

 

[Golden Mean]

Norway and other Scandinavian countries are moving to BEVs faster than most countries, but that “milestone” may not be as it seems - there are still many more diesels than ICE or BEVs. The numbers in the first sentence don’t add up, and the article discloses same later in the text.

Of the 2.8 million private cars registered there, 754,303 are now all-electric, compared with 753,905 that run on petrol, according to new figures from the Norwegian Road Federation.

Despite this milestone, there is still work to be done. Diesel models remain most numerous at just under one million.

At present, nine out of 10 new cars sold in Norway are electric vehicles, industry figures indicate. And it's not hard to see why when you consider how much the authorities do to favour them.

So, a diesel isn't an internal combustion engine?

 

[Midpack]

So, a diesel isn't an internal combustion engine?

Not according to the linked article. The post I quoted said EVs outnumber ICE, while the article actually said EVs outnumber petrol, and evidently Norway accounts for diesels separately.

 

[homestead]

My guess is he had a foot resting on the brake.
The brake lights are activated by regen braking. However, it is also dependent on an accelerometer. Brake lights will activate only when a certain level of deceleration is happening.

It is also possible that something was broken?

Well the cyber truck is a new vehicle perhaps Tesla doesn't have that feature perfected yet.

 

[RetMD21]

My guess is he had a foot resting on the brake.
The brake lights are activated by regen braking. However, it is also dependent on an accelerometer. Brake lights will activate only when a certain level of deceleration is happening.

It is also possible that something was broken?

Or it was working exactly as designed and he was decelerating. Homestead's impression is that he didn't need to slow but maybe he was.

 

[Midpack]

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Was driving behind a cyber truck a couple weeks ago in the country. There was no reason for him to be braking on the road we were on but I think every time he let up on the accelerator the brake lights would come on. Maybe he was using one-petal driving.

No idea what the Cybertruck owner was doing. Maybe he just got it, and was trying out one pedal driving? It takes a couple days to get used to it IME. [BTW, one pedal driving is excellent. I’ve never driven my MY in any other mode - wouldn’t want to go back]

One-pedal driving isn’t the primary trigger for brake lights, deceleration is. Tesla drivers usually don’t usually take their foot completely off the accelerator pedal unless they are actually coming to a full stop, versus slowing the car - e.g. slowing to 55 mph from 65 mph you “feather” the accelerator pedal. Lifting completely off the accelerator in a Tesla in one-pedal mode slows the car more aggressively (about 0.3g) than a non-regen car which basically coasts.

“The brake lights are triggered by deceleration rate or use of the brake pedal, not just the position of the accelerator pedal. So it depends on whether the car is headed uphill or downhill, as well as the accelerator pedal position. Generally, they light-up around 0.1g, whereas max regen deceleration in Tesla's is 0.3g. (Foot to the floor emergency braking can be over 1.0g.)”

 

[explanade]

So I've been trying to get quotes on a lease for an EV.

Then I've been trying to get estimates to install a charger, emailing photos on my electrical panels to electrician.

One came back to me, said that I have a type of panel circuit breaker which is considered a fire hazard and uninsurable.

So I must replace it and it would cost me at least $3000, not including additional permit I would need to obtain approving the new circuit breaker.

He also said since I have 100 amps, I'd have to get a load controller. I believe some EV chargers are sold with such devices.

 

[Zathras]

So I've been trying to get quotes on a lease for an EV.

Then I've been trying to get estimates to install a charger, emailing photos on my electrical panels to electrician.

One came back to me, said that I have a type of panel circuit breaker which is considered a fire hazard and uninsurable.

So I must replace it and it would cost me at least $3000, not including additional permit I would need to obtain approving the new circuit breaker.

He also said since I have 100 amps, I'd have to get a load controller. I believe some EV chargers are sold with such devices.

Regardless of getting an EV, I would suggest getting a trusted 2nd opinion.
If it is a fire hazard I would replace/update it.

 

[Texas Proud]

So I've been trying to get quotes on a lease for an EV.

Then I've been trying to get estimates to install a charger, emailing photos on my electrical panels to electrician.

One came back to me, said that I have a type of panel circuit breaker which is considered a fire hazard and uninsurable.

So I must replace it and it would cost me at least $3000, not including additional permit I would need to obtain approving the new circuit breaker.

He also said since I have 100 amps, I'd have to get a load controller. I believe some EV chargers are sold with such devices.

Yes, there is a panel out there that is a fire hazard.... it was part of my house when I was buying... the inspector pointed it out and I made it a condition of sale that they replace it...

Years later I find out they put in a 200 amp box with a 150 amp feed because it was cheaper... the guys who installed my generator fixed that problem...