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Today FSD at a light let a lady scooch in from a parking lot when I probably would have just gone. She even waved thank you.

Two times today at 4 way stops the oncoming car waved me to go and I had to tap the peddle. I guess it either can't see inside other cars or does not use the info.

Earnings call today.
 
Today FSD at a light let a lady scooch in from a parking lot when I probably would have just gone. She even waved thank you.

Two times today at 4 way stops the oncoming car waved me to go and I had to tap the peddle. I guess it either can't see inside other cars or does not use the info.

Earnings call today.
Yeah, I’ve had several times where the Tesla politely let someone in.
 
Nice video. Now they just have to get the robots to build the cars :)
There are a lot of robots at work in the factory. Not so much the humanoid kind, but robots nonetheless.

The newest factories are highly automated. Here is a drone fly through of the Berlin Gigafactory from a couple of years ago. You see lots of big automated machines and one-armed robots doing a lot of different tasks. The one-armed welding robots are very coo!

 
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I saw some discussion, I think Jeff Lutz, that explained that the first robots will not be building cars. He said that the robots will start working on the edge of the factory moving and unpacking parts etc.
 
I saw some discussion, I think Jeff Lutz, that explained that the first robots will not be building cars. He said that the robots will start working on the edge of the factory moving and unpacking parts etc.
You mean the humanoid robots?

Because clearly there are robots already building cars at Tesla.
 
I meant Optimus.

Elon just said that paid cyber cab with no one driving in Austin in June.
 
Elon just said that the honest answer is that HW3 computers will have to be replaced. He said that it will be painful to replace and he is happy so few people bought FSD on HW3 which implies that monthly users won't get a free computer.
 
We have two "primary" vehicles, one is an F150 that we will not replace with an EV, because we tow too often with it, but the other could easily be replaced by an EV when it hits 10 years old in two more years. But as of right now, with what is available, I would NOT buy an EV, and here is why: They are changing too rapidly, and they as not as repairable as ICE cars. I'm sure you have all heard of incidents of EVs being totaled for relatively minor damage. A 10 MPH rear hit at the wrong angle on a Rivian R1T will cost over $40,000 to fix. That is simply ridiculous. There are many Teslas sitting in junkyards, no EV will be repaired if the battery is damaged even slightly.

I watched a very good YouTube video of a lawyer who specializes in auto related law and I found out two amazing things. The first is that the Cadillac Lyric EV is unrepairable because GM simply can't figure out how to build and deliver replacement parts. The other is that the old thing about car manufacturers being required to stock parts for vehicles for 7 or 10 years is 100% false. I have gone by that rule of thumb my entire life, but the reality is that a manufacturer is under NO obligation to sell you a replacement part even 15 minutes after you buy the vehicle. They *are* obligated to either repair, or give you a refund on a car, if it has been RECALLED and can't be fixed. That is why they fight tooth and nail to avoid recalls. So in the case of the Cadillac Lyriq, the owner was in a rear end collision, and GM simply told them to go cry a river, because they had changed the design of the bumper already and had no spares.

These cars are changing too fast. Many are going to be junked for lack of parts availability long before they wear out. Rivian just completely re-engineered the electronics in their vehicles and very few of the internal parts carried over, even though from the outside they look almost identical. Good luck getting that obscure sensor in the old model that dies five years from now.
 
Elon just said that the honest answer is that HW3 computers will have to be replaced. He said that it will be painful to replace and he is happy so few people bought FSD on HW3 which implies that monthly users won't get a free computer.
Yeah, I’m cool with that. The car already drives itself amazingly well which is why I pay the monthly subscription. One day we’ll probably get a newer Tesla and the latest hardware. In the meantime I’m quite content and enjoying using FSD.
 
Well even if the Optimus robots are just unpacking parts at first it is a step in the right direction. It would be great if Tesla is able to produce EVs in the US. GM seems to be betting big on Mexico.

I suspect that Tesla could package a new computer with purchase of FSD for HW3 vehicles.

EVs have been evolving rapidly but when they become less expensive than ICE I think more people will see the advantages.
 
Well even if the Optimus robots are just unpacking parts at first it is a step in the right direction.
So you don’t count the one-armed robots doing assembling and welding and moving around car parts as robots? They have to be humanoid to be counted as a robot? Humanoid form factor may be useful for many tasks, but large scale manufacturing is not one of them.
 
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A use case with regard to the big robots is.

The big robots are dangerous so when a human carries parts over to the big robot there is an intermediate cage that opens to let the human place the parts but does not open to the big robot until the human is out of the cage.

They can eliminate this safety setup with Optimus because replacing a squashed robot once in a while is less than what they save by eliminating the process.

I hope I am describing this correctly. It was over a year ago when I watched that discussion.
 
Elon just said that the honest answer is that HW3 computers will have to be replaced. He said that it will be painful to replace and he is happy so few people bought FSD on HW3 which implies that monthly users won't get a free computer.
Only guessing, but maybe they will allow any HW3 owner to get the upgrade IF they purchase FSD at full price, or with an added premium. I have AI4 so no skin for me.
 
There has been discussion that it would only be for those who already purchased FSD and they might block new HW3 purchases or say no upgrade if you purchase now that you know.

There may be an option to pay for the new hardware but by the time that is ready it will be putting it into an older car almost out of warantee.

After I did the simply web page hit Tesla sales has been after me last night and this morning. I had to tell them to close my case.

I suppose if my only goal is to have access to FSD 13 I could buy a left over Y, but I would like the front bumper camera and maybe the softer quieter ride.

I suppose my live below your means gene will override. I can probably enjoy my older car and just assume that autonomy is coming and FSD 14 and 15 are great.
 
I’ve already decided if I replace my MY it won’t be before AI5 is standard. Also allows time to sort out any bugs with early production.
 
So those with HW4 and FSD 13, does it do parking lot navigation and park to park FSD?
 
I wasn't getting useful parking lot navigation with 13.2.2. Everybody uses industrial robots but the Optimus robots have the potential to reduce the labor costs of building cars. Supposedly Tesla already has a large advantage.

I was surprised that my Y told me I was getting low on wiper fluid. Maybe all cars do that now. :)
 
So those with HW4 and FSD 13, does it do parking lot navigation and park to park FSD?
Not IME. Just shows me spots I could back into once speed drops below 8 mph.

I did have one trip to a Post Office where I just let FSD go until it quit - it pulled me into the lot, and pulled into a diagonal spot, though not exactly squared up within the lines. And it was a Sunday where the lot was almost completely empty, or it might have quit earlier? I also had one trip where it allowed me to enable FSD halfway down my driveway, but that only happened once. It waited until I was out of my driveway on the street every other time after.

So basically no.
 
Midpack, how are you liking the blue color after having it for a while? Was quicksilver an option when you bought?

Same question for red. Thoughts on picking up dirt, keeping clean etc.

Anyone have quicksilver? Thoughts on that color being hard for other cars to see and avoid?
 
Not IME. Just shows me spots I could back into once speed drops below 8 mph.

I did have one trip to a Post Office where I just let FSD go until it quit - it pulled me into the lot, and pulled into a diagonal spot, though not exactly squared up within the lines. And it was a Sunday where the lot was almost completely empty, or it might have quit earlier? I also had one trip where it allowed me to enable FSD halfway down my driveway, but that only happened once. It waited until I was out of my driveway on the street every other time after.

So basically no.
Wow, it pulled into a diagonal space!

I did let the car drive into a parking area once because it showed navigation to a stop sign inside the parking area. So we waited to see what it would do at the stop sign. It turned left, turned left again into the first row of parked cars which was the closest parking to the store entrance. It went slowly down a little ways past some specially labeled spots, then pulled forward into the next (straight in) spot on the right. Not a great parking job, but it stopped in a parking spot!

So I guess it’s not any different.
 
Midpack, how are you liking the blue color after having it for a while? Was quicksilver an option when you bought?

Same question for red. Thoughts on picking up dirt, keeping clean etc.

Anyone have quicksilver? Thoughts on that color being hard for other cars to see and avoid?
I think quicksilver is virtually invisible in wet weather (or heavy overcast or foggy). We’ve avoided silver in general for that reason after our first couple of silver cars.

We love the red. Dirt is not particularly noticeable IMO. The new Ultra-red is even prettier than ours. And everyone can see you!
 
OK this is really cool! At the Fremont CA factory, Tesla cars are now driving themselves off the assembly line and parking themselves in the holding area for transport. They used to have a bunch of drivers doing this and then having to catch a bus back. Somehow the cars know exactly where to park.

Interesting. So, if I have an up-to-date Tesla with the Full Driving package, and I tell it to take me from my garage to the Buy More store in the huge shopping mile, it will drive me there, enter the parking lot, and park me in the first empty space it finds?
 
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