Estimated tax payment on Roth conversion

Thanks... I never thought about it, but you are right this would work pretty easily as by then I know our income.
Yep, been doing it for years. And it often means paying less in estimated taxes by Jan 15 as you only have to meet the 90% of current taxes owed safe harbor, and the balance on April 15.
 
True even if in 2025 you have a similar front-loaded income pattern?

Yes. If you do the 4 equal payments for 2025 based on 2024 taxes paid, income timing doesn’t matter at all. If your income in 2025 is considerably higher in 2025 compared to 2024 you are also safe.
Agree. Income is assumed to come in evenly throughout the year. That’s why when you take a large withdrawal at the end of the year and you don’t have enough paid in in the first 3 quarters, you fill out form 2210 to show that the income did not come in evenly.
 
Same here, except for this great forum. You would think there would be an announcement on the EFTPS site, but nothing when I paid my Q4 estimated taxes today.
There is an announcement on the EFTPS site, but it's at the bottom of the page. I don't know about you, but I had a routine process of logging in and going to the payment pages. I never took the time to scroll down to read the "what you need to know" news at the bottom. There should be an obvious banner at the top of the page, or some kind of intermediate screen, notifying of the change.
 
There is an announcement on the EFTPS site, but it's at the bottom of the page. I don't know about you, but I had a routine process of logging in and going to the payment pages. I never took the time to scroll down to read the "what you need to know" news at the bottom. There should be an obvious banner at the top of the page, or some kind of intermediate screen, notifying of the change.
I’m thinking this will happen later this year when we’ll be given a clearer deadline.
 
I advise people to switch to IRS.gov this year rather than relying on EFTPS.

I used EFTPS this year, but set up my IRS.gov account in December to use for the upcoming tax year. One important point was revealed: although I could see the payments made for the first 3 quarters of 2025 and the scheduled payment for this January (now completed), the IRS site told me I could not adjust that 4th payment. I had to go back to EFTPS - the two payment systems don't play nicely together. I'm not sure what will happen if I use EFTPS and want to make a 4th quarter adjustment as I often do.

So, I will make a clean break as soon as I've filed my final tax documents for this year and will set up a payment schedule for 2026 on IRS.gov.
 
I advise people to switch to IRS.gov this year rather than relying on EFTPS.

I used EFTPS this year, but set up my IRS.gov account in December to use for the upcoming tax year. One important point was revealed: although I could see the payments made for the first 3 quarters of 2025 and the scheduled payment for this January (now completed), the IRS site told me I could not adjust that 4th payment. I had to go back to EFTPS - the two payment systems don't play nicely together. I'm not sure what will happen if I use EFTPS and want to make a 4th quarter adjustment as I often do.

So, I will make a clean break as soon as I've filed my final tax documents for this year and will set up a payment schedule for 2026 on IRS.gov.
If you schedule a payment via EFTPS, then yes, you can’t modify it via irs.gov.
 
Agree. Income is assumed to come in evenly throughout the year. That’s why when you take a large withdrawal at the end of the year and you don’t have enough paid in in the first 3 quarters, you fill out form 2210 to show that the income did not come in evenly.
Just to clarify: if I met the safe harbor of 100% (or 110%) of 2024 tax with my 4 equal payments, I am free to send in the rest of what I owe by April 15, right? Even if the higher 2025 income was due to a big payment that came in during January 2025?
 
Just to clarify: if I met the safe harbor of 100% (or 110%) of 2024 tax with my 4 equal payments, I am free to send in the rest of what I owe by April 15, right? Even if the higher 2025 income was due to a big payment that came in during January 2025?
Yes.
 
Just to clarify: if I met the safe harbor of 100% (or 110%) of 2024 tax with my 4 equal payments, I am free to send in the rest of what I owe by April 15, right? Even if the higher 2025 income was due to a big payment that came in during January 2025?
That’s right. You never have to pay any more than the prior year taxes (or 110%) in 4 equal payments in estimated taxes to avoid penalty. The remainder won’t be due April 15 no matter how large. As long as you meet that prior taxes safe harbor each quarter, actual income timing doesn’t matter. One year we had a massive cap gain due divesting of company stock, and paid the bulk of our taxes owed on April 15 no problem. Regular tax return showed no penalty, no form 2210 needed filing, etc.
 
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