EV Models Excluding Tesla models

[DallasGuy]

I'd like to start a thread for EV's excluding Tesla models. There are a few other threads that quickly get dominated by Tesla. Perhaps this one won't get that much response, but it would be nice to not have to read through a "zillion" Tesla comments just to get to a few non Tesla EV comments. Anyway, Here is is.

 

[skyking1]

good idea
Over on the DIY Solar forum, one member has made it possible to use a whole lot of power from his two EVs in the case of an extended power outage.
One was a Hyundai Ioniq 5
The other was a Kia EV9
I found that to be refreshing, a mixed EV garage.

 

[Midpack]

One was a Hyundai Ioniq 5
The other was a Kia EV9
I found that to be refreshing, a mixed EV garage.

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[skyking1]

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Each car served a different purpose so he ended up with a couple of different manufacturers.

 

[Alan]

I have a VW id.3 with 77 kWh battery and love it. Prior to that I had a Nissan Leaf which was also an excellent car but had a shorter range (59 kWh) battery and a ChadMe charging plug which limited the number of public chargers available. The vast majority of chargers including Tesla chargers are CCS. There is a bank of Tesla chargers at a roadside cafe conveniently on route to Edinburgh which we use when visiting my wife’s sister. We had always stopped at that cafe in the past as it is 2 hours into our journey and has plenty of gas pumps as well, so was delighted when they finally added EV chargers.

With a 300 mile range and living in a small country we rarely have to use public chargers although these days there are ample places to charge when away for a few days.

 

[joesxm3]

I'd like to start a thread for EV's excluding Tesla models. There are a few other threads that quickly get dominated by Tesla. Perhaps this one won't get that much response, but it would be nice to not have to read through a "zillion" Tesla comments just to get to a few non Tesla EV comments. Anyway, Here is is.

Thank you for starting the separate thread. I, too, was bored by the non-Tesla discussion in the other thread and some Elon-hating comments were starting to creep in.

Now I can come to this thread when I want info on other brands.

 

[Midpack]

Each car served a different purpose so he ended up with a couple of different manufacturers.

Hyundai and Kia are both part of Hyundai Motor Group along with Genesis and Ioniq, they share parts, staff and other resources. Kia has some independence but they are a different manufacturer? And their EV tech is the same, and this is an EV thread.

 

[bobandsherry]

I considered EV but instead went with a hybrid (not a plug in). No hate of EV's, just found it wasn't for me.

But in my exploring EV to consider for purchase, I really liked the Polestar models. I also liked the Mach-E (people love or hate it). And Kia EV9 was nice as well.

 

[bobandsherry]

Hyundai and Kia are both part of Hyundai Motor Group along with Genesis and Ioniq, they share parts, staff and other resources. Kia has some independence but they are a different manufacturer? And their EV tech is the same.

Do you consider Chevy, Buick and Cadillac to be the same manufacturer? All under the GM umbrella and share resources too. Same for Ford and Lincoln as well as VW. Aidi (and Porsche?). But I get your point, the Hyundai and Kia are similar, but to me the Kia is a bit nicer.

 

[aja8888]

Chevy Bolt (2023) EUV with 22,000 miles on it . I drive a lot. Great vehicle, no problems to date. GM paid for the installation of a dedicated 240 Volt, 50 Amp line into my garage.

 

[neihn]

Thanks for creating this thread. I have been driving a Kia EV6 for 7 months (replacing 2014 Nissan Maxima). Every time I drive the car, I keep asking "what not to like driving an EV?" - It is so smooth, the power is there when you need it, no gear to shift, no fume in the garage, no line at the gas station (I charge my car with L2 charger in my garage)

 

[warbial]

I've been driving EVs since 2017. I currently drive a Mach-e. I also want vehicle-to-load, so I installed my own 1.5kW inverter. So far, I used it only for camping, but it could easily power my home (lights & fridge, but no HVAC) during a blackout.

 

[DallasGuy]

Chevy Bolt (2023) EUV with 22,000 miles on it . I drive a lot. Great vehicle, no problems to date. GM paid for the installation of a dedicated 240 Volt, 50 Amp line into my garage.

Same here...2023 EUV...love it. No problems. It's got everything I need. I hear about all of the bells and whistles of other newer and more expensive EV's and I see no reason to upgrade. I have never charged my vehicle other than in my own garage. The slower charging of it has never been an issue for me. It's the perfect vehicle for someone like me who is retired who doesn't drive that much. It's also very efficient and I have a lifetime efficiency of about 5.2miles/kwh due to about 80% city driving. I can't imagine ever going back to a gas powered car.

I will be interested in seeing what Chevy does with the release of the new 2026 Chevy Bolt in late 2025 or early 2026 rumored to be priced close to $30k before any possible tax rebates...which will probably be the lowest priced, best valued EV in the USA. At that price, I predict it will be a top seller.

 

[RetiredHappy]

We were going to buy the Tesla Model X and due to poor sales / customer service experience, we ended up with the 2024 Cadillac Lyriq Luxury 3. It's ranked 2nd to Tesla for Self Driving capability. We would still have much preferred the full self driving capability of Tesla's but for overall ride/luxury experience, the Cadillac Lyriq Luxury 3 is better.

 

[aja8888]

We were going to buy the Tesla Model X and due to poor sales / customer service experience, we ended up with the 2024 Cadillac Lyriq Luxury 3. It's ranked 2nd to Tesla for Self Driving capability. We would still have much preferred the full self driving capability of Tesla's but for overall ride/luxury experience, the Cadillac Lyriq Luxury 3 is better.

Absolutely a stunning vehicle, that Lyriq!

 

[Chuckanut]

Here’s my question for the non Tesla EV group.

I am thinking of buying a new car (probably an EV) that can do a 3000+ miles round trip. The vehicle MUST HAVE a great, almost self driving ability. I am very happy with the adaptive cruise control on long trips, it really lowers the stress level and energy needed for a day’s drive to on the Interstates. Based upon the bragging of Tesla drivers the new almost self driving ability is a significant improvement over my car’s simple cruise control.

I want that and at least a 350 mile cruising range .
Suggestions for a non Tesla EV are welcome.

 

[skyking1]

getting the 50 amp circuit out to the carport portal wall is the next inspection at the house build. I have no immediate plans to purchase an EV, but we will be ready.

 

[Texas Proud]

Do you consider Chevy, Buick and Cadillac to be the same manufacturer? All under the GM umbrella and share resources too. Same for Ford and Lincoln as well as VW. Aidi (and Porsche?). But I get your point, the Hyundai and Kia are similar, but to me the Kia is a bit nicer.

For me YES...

The basic car is the same... they just bolt a few different things on that to be able to change the name...

Even Audi and VW are getting similar... but does exclude Porsche...

 

[Out of Steam]

With a 300 mile range and living in a small country we rarely have to use public chargers although these days there are ample places to charge when away for a few days.

I'm fairly familiar with driving and roads in Ireland, and EV ownership seems close to a no-brainer there for someone who can afford a current model and has at-home charging.

In both countries, you also have the advantage of an electric voltage that will put over 2 kW out of an ordinary household plug.

 

[warbial]

I want that and at least a 350 mile cruising range

Do you mean a stated range of 350 miles from 100% to 0%? Or do you mean driving realistically, say, 80% down to 10%, yielding 350 miles between charging stops? The latter requites a stated range closer to 450 miles, which means cars such as Lucid Air Grand Touring.

 

[TrvlBug]

Here’s my question for the non Tesla EV group.

I am thinking of buying a new car (probably an EV) that can do a 3000+ miles round trip. The vehicle MUST HAVE a great, almost self driving ability. I am very happy with the adaptive cruise control on long trips, it really lowers the stress level and energy needed for a day’s drive to on the Interstates. Based upon the bragging of Tesla drivers the new almost self driving ability is a significant improvement over my car’s simple cruise control.

I want that and at least a 350 mile cruising range .
Suggestions for a non Tesla EV are welcome.

If money is no object, look into the Mercedes Benz EQS. My understanding is that they have perfected Level 3 self driving, however, to date it has only been approved in Nevada and Cali. I'll be looking at it once I get tired of my 2023 BMW iX.

Edit to add: When I considered it a couple of years ago, it had ~300 mile range.

 

[TrvlBug]

I have a 2023 BMW iX, purchased in the fall of 2022, at the height of the chip shortage and MSRP+ pricing. I wanted a mid-siz SUV with 300+ mile range. I also considered Tesla X as well as Mercedes EQS. Tesla told me to rent one to test drive it and MB wanted $25K over MSRP...so the iX it was. I love the car. It handles beautifully and I couldn't be happier with my decision.

 

[Golden Mean]

Here’s my question for the non Tesla EV group.

I am thinking of buying a new car (probably an EV) that can do a 3000+ miles round trip. The vehicle MUST HAVE a great, almost self driving ability. I am very happy with the adaptive cruise control on long trips, it really lowers the stress level and energy needed for a day’s drive to on the Interstates. Based upon the bragging of Tesla drivers the new almost self driving ability is a significant improvement over my car’s simple cruise control.

I want that and at least a 350 mile cruising range .
Suggestions for a non Tesla EV are welcome.

I wonder if it would make sense to try a self driving car to see how it really feels. I haven't, but would think constantly have to monitor something that's controlling the car would be more work that just driving the car myself.

On a side note, I turn off the adaptive cruise on my car (and use the old school cruise). I find it very dumb where it decelerates as I'm approaching a car I want to pass. Makes it hard to actually pass.

 

[audreyh1]

I wonder if it would make sense to try a self driving car to see how it really feels. I haven't, but would think constantly have to monitor something that's controlling the car would be more work that just driving the car myself.

It’s not at all. Much less work.

 

[Alan]

I'm fairly familiar with driving and roads in Ireland, and EV ownership seems close to a no-brainer there for someone who can afford a current model and has at-home charging.

In both countries, you also have the advantage of an electric voltage that will put over 2 kW out of an ordinary household plug.

I invested in a smart charger that does 7.2 kW and integrates with my energy supplier. That way I can set up routines such as “80% charge by 05:30” and the charger will utilize the cheap overnight rate of 7p/kWh.