EV Models Excluding Tesla models

My chief interest is acceleration, followed by nimbleness and general handling-prowess. I prefer lighter and lower cars, with a shorter wheelbase. The car should be oriented to the driver, and not passengers or cargo. Oh, and the price shouldn't be exorbitant. That rules out for example the Porsche EV.

Outside of Company T, nearly all EVs are SUVs of one form or another. No thanks! I'm not a bus driver. Hyundai makes an attractive performance-oriented EV, but by my reckoning, it's too tall and too heavy, not to mention the user-interface is too gimmicky.

Self-driving, range, charging time and so on... aren't concerns for me. In fact I'd prefer shorter range, as that generally means a smaller battery-pack and hence lower weight and more compact dimensions.
Go out and test drive some it you haven't already. You might be surprised with the offline zip some EVs can provide. The batteries are low so lower center of gravity feel might amaze you. We had a BWI 3 and it was a blast to drive....felt like a rocket off the line.

 
I think that they liked the Vega which was a bad car one of my sisters bought...

The thing is that they are using statistics.... so a car showing 10% problem in an area might not be good.. that means 90% did not have this problem...
You can look at their charts which show for various makes and models which systems (cooling, electrical, brakes, etc.) have fewer problems and which car systems have more problems than average.

I have found their ratings to be mostly accurate, though any individual car can be an exception.
 
We have limited garage length, and don’t want a car parked in the driveway or street. Garage is already wired with a dedicated 220V circuit for a future EV. DH has been researching, and the 2025 Ioniq 5 XRT is on the short list. First Hyundai EV with the NACS port for Tesla Supercharger compatibility.

I am playing devil’s advocate for the Ioniq 5 N, even though gimmicks are over the top. Supposed to be a hoot to drive, and one of the cars used in the Hyundai Driving Experience (last year held Sonoma Raceway.)
 
FWIW our software updates are no charge. Even including enhancements - no charge. And we get software updates at home.
Same with Ford. Our car has gotten about 20 updates over the air at home and while driving around. Evidentially we are up to date now.
With one update we can now do karaoke while charging. :)
 
I know I get over the airways software updates thru OnStar on the Bolt. Actually, they (GM) send me a status report on the car every month via email.
 
I've gotten 1 update over the air on my Chevy Blazer EV in the 4 months we've leased it. To be honest I am not sure what was updated as it seems to drive the same and there are no new features I'm aware of. Perhaps it had something to do with unexpected braking when backing up some owners complained about although I didn't really experience that even before the update.
 
Go out and test drive some it you haven't already. You might be surprised with the offline zip some EVs can provide. The batteries are low so lower center of gravity feel might amaze you. We had a BWI 3 and it was a blast to drive....felt like a rocket off the line.

It's probably fine for its class, but the Interwebs report that the I3 does 0-60 in about 7 seconds. That's slower than my late lamented V6 Camry... which in fact, yes, I did take to the local drag strip.

Much of the mileage on my vehicles is put on, a quarter mile at the time. We need to have retirement hobbies, right? Well, mine is (or will be) drag racing.
 
It's probably fine for its class, but the Interwebs report that the I3 does 0-60 in about 7 seconds. That's slower than my late lamented V6 Camry... which in fact, yes, I did take to the local drag strip.

Much of the mileage on my vehicles is put on, a quarter mile at the time. We need to have retirement hobbies, right? Well, mine is (or will be) drag racing.
I loved to drag race in my youth but have lost the passion for it as I grew up. :)
 
Please can we keep Tesla promotion out of this thread.
Fair enough. Though it's hard to resist when characterizations are made that don't apply to Tesla. But I'll make an effort to comply, and post less on this thread.
 
Fair enough. Though it's hard to resist when characterizations are made that don't apply to Tesla. But I'll make an effort to comply, and post less on this thread.
We were debating b/w a Tesla model X and the Cadillac Lyriq 3 and in the end we went with the Cadillac because of the lacking in luxury of the Tesla. Having said that, we think we may go with a Tesla when we do our 3-year new car refresh. We got our Lyriq end of 2024. We miss the 100% self-driving capability of the Tesla. Cadillac's Supercruise is better than straight adaptive cruise control, which we love and had that with our Subarus since 2015.
 
For non-Tesla charging at superchargers there is an online map that shows which locations support non-Teslas charging (NACS Partner site). They show a red NACS symbol - the connector end. https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=62.54709832290236,-63.13054361901109,-4.2274015566388945,-128.5211686190111&filters=nacs_superchargers
Thank you! I never paid much attention to it before because I had "ASS U ME"d that all Tesla Superchargers are available to non-Tesla with an adapter.
 
I loved to drag race in my youth but have lost the passion for it as I grew up. :)
I'm really enthused about how EVs offer a scintillating new potential (see what I did there?) for drag racing and performance overall. We just need lighter batteries and an engineering philosophy that prioritizes driver engagement over passenger/cargo capacity. The latter will be a harder sell, as the market today - electric or internal combustion - is dominated by large, upright vehicles designed around passengers and cargo, rather than to be driven by one person alone, with nothing but the occasion grocery bag in the passenger's footwell. But that debate is orthogonal to that of which-brand or the eternal ICE vs. EV. It's more a matter of consumer taste, than engineering.

As for dedicated drag racing machines, here progress is unfortunately muted, because of inertia and cultural stereotypes. I see progress, but not enough. Things are too hidebound. The greatest progress is in electric sports cars, for example the quasi-go-kart vehicles built on college campuses for "Formula SAE". The kids are really getting creative with applying electric technology to a very miniature (maybe 200-300 pounds) single seater. Progress may be slow, but its direction is nearly inevitable!
 
I'm really enthused about how EVs offer a scintillating new potential (see what I did there?) for drag racing and performance overall. We just need lighter batteries and an engineering philosophy that prioritizes driver engagement over passenger/cargo capacity. The latter will be a harder sell, as the market today - electric or internal combustion - is dominated by large, upright vehicles designed around passengers and cargo, rather than to be driven by one person alone, with nothing but the occasion grocery bag in the passenger's footwell. But that debate is orthogonal to that of which-brand or the eternal ICE vs. EV. It's more a matter of consumer taste, than engineering.

As for dedicated drag racing machines, here progress is unfortunately muted, because of inertia and cultural stereotypes. I see progress, but not enough. Things are too hidebound. The greatest progress is in electric sports cars, for example the quasi-go-kart vehicles built on college campuses for "Formula SAE". The kids are really getting creative with applying electric technology to a very miniature (maybe 200-300 pounds) single seater. Progress may be slow, but its direction is nearly inevitable!
I am not sure why you have concerns with EV's ability to drag race. Tesla's model 3 performance goes from 0 to 60miles in 2.9 seconds. Even a large and heavy Cadillac Lyriq-V goes from 0 to 60 miles in 3.3 seconds. EVs beat most ICE cars wrt to drag racing. These times beat out Aston Martin's performance easily.
 
Thank you! I never paid much attention to it before because I had "ASS U ME"d that all Tesla Superchargers are available to non-Tesla with an adapter.
Plugshare is also an excellent resource for finding chargers, what is supported in terms of connections, and includes customer comments.
 
For non-Tesla charging at superchargers there is an online map that shows which locations support non-Teslas charging (NACS Partner site). They show a red NACS symbol - the connector end. https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=62.54709832290236,-63.13054361901109,-4.2274015566388945,-128.5211686190111&filters=nacs_superchargers
You can also use the Tesla app it will show the chargers you can use and which need adapters.
There is no cost for that but if pay member fees you can get reduced cost on charges.
 
I'm OK at 0 to 60 @ 6.5 seconds. By 60, I'm up the butt of the traffic in front of me! But it only cost ~ $28 K after the tax credit. My old Vette was not this fast 0 to 60.
My Lyriq goes 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.
 
I’m used to leaving traffic way behind when the light turns green. But they eventually catch up to me because I’m not speeding, ha ha. I just reach the speed limit way faster.
 
I’m used to leaving traffic way behind when the light turns green. But they eventually catch up to me because I’m not speeding, ha ha. I just reach the speed limit way faster.
Just be careful and on the look out for red light runners. Being first off the line could be dangerous. I still remember a few years ago I was sitting at one of those odd angled 4 way intersections. There was a car on my left and I could not see the cars coming from the left through the intersection. We got the green light and had I been in a hurry and jumped off the line I would have been t-boned at about 40 plus miles an hour by a red light runner flying through the intersection.
 
Just be careful and on the look out for red light runners. Being first off the line could be dangerous. I still remember a few years ago I was sitting at one of those odd angled 4 way intersections. There was a car on my left and I could not see the cars coming from the left through the intersection. We got the green light and had I been in a hurry and jumped off the line I would have been t-boned at about 40 plus miles an hour by a red light runner flying through the intersection.
Of course! The car is watching all cross traffic and doesn’t immediately start anyway. Somehow it still manages to leave others in the dust.
 
Of course! The car is watching all cross traffic and doesn’t immediately start anyway. Somehow it still manages to leave others in the dust.
You sound like the younger me. I used to be the first off the traffic (safely) and left others in the dust. My ex-husband and I used to drag race each other on the road when we were driving separately, usually on the way or back from "dawn patrol".
 
You sound like the younger me. I used to be the first off the traffic (safely) and left others in the dust. My ex-husband and I used to drag race each other on the road when we were driving separately, usually on the way or back from "dawn patrol".
It’s not me driving, it’s the car and it speeds up quickly, yet it’s not enough to push me back in my seat, it’s very smooth. Even even when I am driving I usually clear the intersection well ahead of the others. I’ve never tried drag racing.

Anyway I would expect this with any EV since there are no delays, no gears to shift and max power from 0mph.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom