Excess Dry Powder

Much of our wealth is tied up in deferred tax assets. I like it that way. If someone asks for money or an investment I just reply that I need an immediate 38% ROI to break even. They usually respond, "Huh:confused:" I explain to unlock cash I have to sell assets and pay capital gains. If they get that far I tell them in general, all of our liquid assets are invested. In order to pull out cash I need to sell an asset and pay capital gains. Lastly, if they persist I tell them if I need to sell an asset in order to raise cash to hand to them I have to pay 38% on the capital gains. While this is a gross exaggeration I do have some founders' shares that were acquired pre-IPO for fractions of pennies so those are mostly 100% capital gain, so I'm not really lying, just using a corner case to prove my point and get rid of them.

As an old guy I really appreciate having these "problems" as they are problems that 90%+ of the population would love to have, they just don't realize it.
People ask you for money?
Wowza...
 
People ask you for money?
Wowza...
I'm still working and communicating with a lot of people that I would not otherwise ever converse with. I frequently get cold call solicited by financial advisors and other sharks for a piece of my action. Because of my role, seniority, etc. it is pretty well known that people in my position are relatively high income. I don't flaunt it or give any ideas what I really have saved but they come after people like me with all sorts of AUM propositions. I have no proof but I'm willing to bet that some of these cold calls come from people I meet, be it vendors, co-workers, etc.
 
Route246, I did the math and assuming you are in NY, 38% is only a small exaggeration if you’re talking about $750K.
 
I'm still working and communicating with a lot of people that I would not otherwise ever converse with. I frequently get cold call solicited by financial advisors and other sharks for a piece of my action. Because of my role, seniority, etc. it is pretty well known that people in my position are relatively high income. I don't flaunt it or give any ideas what I really have saved but they come after people like me with all sorts of AUM propositions. I have no proof but I'm willing to bet that some of these cold calls come from people I meet, be it vendors, co-workers, etc.
But why do you even have to explain anything about your financial position to these people? Not interested, thanks…..
 
I have maintained a rolling ladder of corporate bonds for many years. Fido has a good bond review tool. I used to go down to BBB but in the last couple years yields got better and I have stayed in A ratings.
 
OP - Perhaps you are under estimating your expenses (cash needs) as you say:

"First, I calculated our annual spending needs. I simply took our annual spending for the preceding 12 months. I keep very good records of our expenses and have for decades. so I am very confident in this amount. I did not get so precise as to factor in any expected increases in the expenses from the past year, but I could easily apply a multiple. I did exclude some one-time expenses incurred last year related to the sale of a residence and the purchase of a new residence. I did not include any lumpy expenses."

I think, at a minimum you can guesstimate a 5% annual increase in expenses, and should do this as it is at least closer than 0% in your projections.

Also, you should include the lumpy expenses in projections, as you will have them and they are real.

Perhaps you are not spending enough, for example once, when my Mother was going on a trip to Nordic Countries with her Church group, she wondered if she should add an extension of a week to include Russia for a few thousand dollars more... I told to go and spend my inheritance, and if your heirs love you they will feel that you should not deprive yourself to increase their inheritance.

Also, you have too much interest earning stuff in taxable, I know as I have the same issue. Need to lower it a lot.
Sell stock X in IRA, and buy stock X in taxable, using Treasuries/bonds/cash in taxable.
With cash in IRA buy the Treasuries/bonds that were in taxable.

Allocation stays the same, income stays the same, but taxation drops. Withdraw interest earnings from IRA if needed as may have been spending interest from taxable, the taxation is the same (or less depending up State).
 
I was thinking the same but the ACA credits were just so good... once I started to pull from ROTH I found out that it does not 'hurt' any... it is just another funding source..

I also have plenty of money but sold all of my 'cheap' taxable stuff so if I sell anything I have a big gain... which reduces the ACA credit plus if I take too much I owe taxes.. so ROTH it is...
Yeah, I guess that's why we saved it, to eventually spend it. But, for some reason, my Roths seem almost (dare I say it) "sacred" by comparison to my 401(k) money. I w*rked so hard to convert to Roths and paid all those taxes. Now they are growing all the money tax free. It's hard to give up Roth money. I know it's "sick" to think this way, but it's just the way I am. Yet one more "First World" problem, I guess. :facepalm:
 
Yeah, I guess that's why we saved it, to eventually spend it. But, for some reason, my Roths seem almost (dare I say it) "sacred" by comparison to my 401(k) money. I w*rked so hard to convert to Roths and paid all those taxes. Now they are growing all the money tax free. It's hard to give up Roth money. I know it's "sick" to think this way, but it's just the way I am. Yet one more "First World" problem, I guess. :facepalm:
Not necessarily "sick". The decision of where to pull funds from is very specific to ones situation. Pulling from a Roth to protect ACA subsidies may make sense long term; it may also be short-sighted.

Need to play with something like Pralana to try to get an answer, while knowing that there is no way to really predict the future.
 
Not necessarily "sick". The decision of where to pull funds from is very specific to ones situation. Pulling from a Roth to protect ACA subsidies may make sense long term; it may also be short-sighted.

Need to play with something like Pralana to try to get an answer, while knowing that there is no way to really predict the future.
Yeah, I never had to worry about ACA (that was long after I retired)! For me, it's things like creeping tax brackets, IRRMA and NIIT et. Al. Yet MORE First World problems us "rich folks" have to deal with. Poor us! :cool:
 
Wow.... I am SO far to the other extreme compared to OP....

I have not kept track of expenses for many years (and it has not made any difference)... I do not have any budget... I am not wringing my hands on AA or anything like that... I do (as one of my sisters say) 'count my money' by looking at the total every so often...

I do trade a bit here and there trying to get a bit more income with my 'bond' money... hint, it is mostly in preferred... and they get called or mature every once in awhile..

I have no 'dry powder'... and do not care...
^^^^
I’m pretty much the same. Has worked for twelve years and have much more than when I started.
 
But why do you even have to explain anything about your financial position to these people? Not interested, thanks…..
Some are persistent so I have to shut them down or they may call back. When I tell them MM treasuries and 500-index and a laser focus on expense ratios they get the message quickly because that runs exactly opposite to what they are pitching.

BTW, unlike some people I take all incoming calls. I have found that some law enforcement and first responders do not send caller id and it has happened when a first responder called me in an emergency for a family member and I'm glad I took the call.
 
Fortunately I don’t have brokers cold calling me trying to sell investments. I guess thankfully I’m not on the list.
 
Oh wait no wait I get it! You guys all have muzzle loaders! And you didn't tell me!
I wonder if you keep dry powder for your muzzleloader,do you have wet powder that you would use later? Would you put it on the stove to dry it out? That seems kind of risky to me.
 
I wonder what this dry powder thing is? Is this like flour? Do I need to have a sifter?
Yeah, dry powder means cash like assets that are available for investment to me. I could have a big pile today and use it up tomorrow.
 
Really?
Who knew! I guess typing two words and 9 letters is more better gooder than simply typing CASH.
If a person wanted more letterage, c-a-b-b-a-g-e has 7. I like cabbage.
 
Oh wait no wait I get it! You guys all have muzzle loaders! And you didn't tell me!
I wonder if you keep dry powder for your muzzleloader,do you have wet powder that you would use later? Would you put it on the stove to dry it out? That seems kind of risky to me.
So is powder that was wet and is now dried.
 
Dry powder is fine to use because it indicates that the cash is sitting on the sideline waiting to time the market. The single term indicates a lot. It seems like an efficient way to communicate and adds a little color to the language. Language doesn't need to be boring.

In my area, we say Cache la Poudre. That is the name of the river here.
 
Dry powder is money sitting on the sidelines waiting to time the market.
Yes. And I think we all do that a bit. In the past I have played the long game based upon market history. It’s worked. And I don’t play over my weight. That’s why I use total market index funds. Common stock picking is way out of my league.

Beautiful lady in the Saloon: So Mr. Maverick, you’re a gambler.

Bret Maverick: No Miss Julie. I’m a poker player. I know the cards and the odds. The gamblers are the other people at the table whose money I win.
 
Yes. And I think we all do that a bit. In the past I have played the long game based upon market history. It’s worked. And I don’t play over my weight. That’s why I use total market index funds. Common stock picking is way out of my league.
Agree. Indexing across a broad array of equities is easy and though it usually limits the up-side, it also tends to limit the down side. I just want the average.
 
I got tired of guestimating the amount of dry powder I should have and so I created a spreadsheet to more accurately calculate the gap between our annual spending (for the preceding 12 months) and our current regular income.

First, I calculated our annual spending needs. I simply took our annual spending for the preceding 12 months. I keep very good records of our expenses and have for decades. so I am very confident in this amount. I did not get so precise as to factor in any expected increases in the expenses from the past year, but I could easily apply a multiple. I did exclude some one-time expenses incurred last year related to the sale of a residence and the purchase of a new residence. I did not include any lumpy expenses.

Second, I calculated our annual regular income for 2025. I included as current regular income the amounts from my spouse's pension, my spouse's social security and our estimated investment income (per Schwab) from our current securities that generate dividends and interest (for 2025). I only included the estimated investment income from our two taxable brokerage accounts. (One of the taxable brokerage accounts is primarily used for investments. The other taxable brokerage account, and the smaller of the two, basically used as a hybrid savings account with SWVXX and short term US Treasuries. I try to move the shorter term fixed income into the "savings" account. I created it as an attempt to make it easier to deal with the negligible interest that Schwab pays on a cash account.).

The spreadsheet shows a gap between our annual spending and our annual income of about $29,500. In other words, each year we need to come up with $29,500 from our dry powder assets.

Third, I calculated our current dry powder assets. I did not include all cash and near cash assets because I specifically excluded any assets held in a tax free or tax deferred account. I just included cash and near cash assets held in the taxable brokerage accounts. I included all checking and savings account balances. I also included all US Treasuries and other bonds maturing in 2025 or 2026, but, again, only those held within the taxable brokerage account. So basically I included any fixed income asset withing the taxable brokerage account maturing within the next 18 months.

In the back of my mind, I have been aiming to have about 3 years of the "gap" covered with cash or near cash assets. I was surprised to see that the spreadsheet showed we have 8.61 years covered by my pretty narrow definition of dry powder assets. The amount of excess dry powder would be that much greater if I had included the short term fixed income positions in the Roth IRAs and the traditional IRA.

I am about a year away from drawing social security. If I simply inserted next year's social security amount ($55,260) into my dry powder spreadsheet as current income, the gap between our annual spending and our annual income ($29,500) would disappear. So the gap is really only going to be there for about another year. In a couple of years, in addition to dealing with the excess income from social security we will also have to deal with required minimum distributions for my spouse. But creating the spreadsheet was anything but a waste of time. If nothing else, I love creating spreadsheets.

Currently our asset allocation for our main investment and retirement accounts is 70/30. My spouse also has a separate 403(b) account which is set at a 60/40 AA and so I do not look at it as frequently as I do the other accounts. Putting the two asset allocations together, the overall AA would be slightly lower, about 68.5/31.5.

I know that the asset allocations for the people in this forum are all over the board. A a 70/30 or 68/32 AA might be fairly high given our ages (69 and 71). I don't usually look at our situation as having "won the game" because things can change in a blink of the eye. But I am not laying awake at night, at least not because of financial concerns. I am not in the camp that thinks when you have won the game, you should get out and put all your assets into fixed income. Nonetheless, our retirement is very well funded, at least for our needs.

I tend to lean towards a higher AA because I consider ourselves to be holding and investing a decent portion of our assets not for ourselves in the short run but instead for our children in the long run.

I want to reduce the 8.61 figure (the number of years of excess expenses covered by our dry powder assets), or at least I think I should. I have nothing against being conservative. But 8.61 years seems excessive to me. Right now, many short term interest rates exceed longer term interest rates. But if you select a term of five years on many fixed income assets, even though the interest rate might be less, you at least reduce the risk from lower interest rates when you have to reinvest the principal.

I am trying to determine a good way of reducing the amount of excess dry powder and bringing down that 8.61 number. Generally, I think I need to move some of the short term fixed income to longer terms but I am reluctant to go beyond a 5 year term.

Most of my shorter term fixed income is in US Treasuries held in the two taxable brokerage accounts. I'm not concerned about the short term Treasuries in the smaller brokerage account which I use as a juiced up savings account because one or another of those Treasuries is maturing fairly frequently. Even so, they total about $160,000 which is more dry powder than I need.

Our primary taxable brokerage account has a variety of US Treasuries maturing between 2026 and 2034 with some municipal bonds maturing between 2030 and 2048. (Gees, I just realized I'm not likely to be alive when that last one mature in 2048!).

Neither of the two Roth IRA accounts holds any fixed income.

The traditional IRA account holds a variety of fixed income. Thanks to some past posts and helpful information from pb4uski and others, I have acquired some positions in various target date corporate bond funds, specifically, iShares IBONDS funds running from 2025 though 2030. So those are more intermediate fixed income positions. There are also various CDs maturing over the next 4 years.

Some random thoughts...

Like many others, I have a knot in my stomach when it comes to bond funds. But I do hold some bond funds. I have a small position in SGOV (simply to lessen the hassle of maturing individual US Treasuries) and the corporate bond funds mentioned above (iShares IBONDS).

I am pretty comfortable buying US Treasuries through Schwab. I do like the short term US Treasuries in our taxable accounts for the income tax savings. Having said that, we are in a relatively low tax bracket (at least for now) so the savings might be more in my head than on paper. (But who doesn't like saving 3 cents a gallon on gasoline even if you are only needing 5 gallons of gas? Just don't drive more than a few block out of your way for those savings.)

I know how to buy individual corporate bonds via Schwab but I am not that experienced or comfortable selecting corporate bonds or the ratings to go with. Schwab only seems to list AAA, AA and A rated bonds.

If I am understanding the principals regarding asset location correctly, it would be better to hold the corporate bonds in the Roth IRA accounts and the traditional IRA account instead of either of the two taxable accounts. Currently the fixed income assets in the traditional IRA account are mostly intermediate term CDs and the corporate bond funds. So I can just keep reinvesting those assets in similar assets as they mature.

I have a few remaining individual stock positions in the T-IRA which I will eventually liquidate and probably convert to fixed income to help keep the AA from creeping above 70/30. (It had crept up to about 73/27 recently before I brought it back down.) Those aren't significant positions so I am retaining them more or less to have some toys to play with.


There are some individual stocks held in the main taxable brokerage account which I hope to eventually liquidate. I have held those stocks a long time. The unrealized gains on most of them is between $20,000 and $70,000 each, so there will be some LTCGs to deal with when they are sold. I am still learning how to estimate how much those LTCGs will affect our taxes. But I know, as others have pointed out in the past, you just need to get a start and start selling a few each year. As for the Microsoft and Apple stock, and a few other positions, I don't have any concerns about the quality of the stock.

So, I would appreciate your general thoughts and comments, especially from some of you who are more heavily invested in and experienced with fixed income.

Am I right to start changing my shorter term Treasuries to intermediate term Treasuries as they mature?

Am I right to try to keep the Treasuries in a taxable account and not in a Roth IRA or in a traditional IRA?

There seem to be so many more factors to consider with corporate bonds than US Treasuries. And right now, at least from looking at Schwab's website, most of the US Treasuries for terms of 3 years or less, are paying slightly greater interest than a AAA rated corporate bond. The corporate bonds start to beat the US Treasuries in the 4-5 year range which is a term I need to expand into in order to reduce the amount of short term and ultra short term bonds I have.

An in between choice (between US Treasuries and corporate bonds) would be government agency bonds. I've looked at some in the past. It seems you really have to do your homework on those bonds before buying any. Right now the interest rates on many government agency bonds exceeds the interest rate on US Treasuries (which I would expect) and on corporate bonds (which I would not expect). That makes me think there is more to government agency bonds than I understand right now.

Thanks.
It’s not brain surgery. Facts are anything might work or not. There is no holy grail. The future remains unpredictable forever.

A portfolio is a glorified bank account. How about about everything in an equity index fund and combined with SS spend less then that grows each year taking from there first or a cash reserve of 2-3 years getting zip in interest if growth tanks or isn’t sufficient. One big holding. I’m heading for this but practically will never make it (age 90).

Or hire a pro to manage for you. This is all personal. None of us have found the holy grail either.
 
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Dry powder is fine to use because it indicates that the cash is sitting on the sideline waiting to time the market. The single term indicates a lot. It seems like an efficient way to communicate and adds a little color to the language. Language doesn't need to be boring.
The implication is that somehow a wise investor can predict market declines, and take advantage of them, if "dry powder is available".. as opposed to steady indomitable buy-and-hold, where we deploy additional cash as it become available, never holding back in reserve, never claiming that we can deftly predict and impending market-drop. The "dry powder" advocates tend to emerge right after a sharp drop... two notable examples are April of this year, and March 2020.

But once the "powder" has been packed into the muzzle, what then? I mean, suppose that a person is really agile and lucky in deploying cash held in reserve, precisely at the bottom of a market rout. Does one henceforth buy-and-hold, or is the presumption, that the investment will be sold... catching the next top?
 
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