Family Lending Horror Story

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Ironically, I always tell people do not lend money to friends or family. Well, guess what. I didn't follow my own advice. And I paid the price. I lent money to my sister. In my defense, I thought the reason was good (in a bad sort of way). Her home was in foreclosure and my elderly mother lives with her. If the house is lost, my mother is also on the street. And the situation was dire. The loan was in the very late stages of a residential foreclosure-just days away from a Sheriff's sale. To make the loan current a large sum of money was needed at once.

And, I thought I was clever. I didn't just give my sister the money. And I didn't just have her sign a note. I had her and her husband sign a note and mortgage, which they were delighted to do to get the needed cash, and I recorded said mortgage against another unencumbered piece of property they own making me not only secured, but first lienholder. (Yes, they should have sold that to make the loan current but that was not an option at this point.) I was careful. And I wasn't worried. This was my sister after all. I of course knew all about family lending horror stories but my family certainly was different. Of course they would happily pay me back! I saved the family home!

I gave a generous grace period and you can guess what happened when payments were finally due. She didn't want to pay. To make a very long and sad story short, after months of multiple attempts to work something out (equity for debt swap, easier repayment terms, etc. etc.) we reached a dead end. She just wouldn't pay a penny. ("I don't need it!") So, after being told flat out there would be no payments made, I foreclosed.

The result was shock and fury. All family contact was cut off. Not only were we suddenly were no longer on speaking terms and I banned from entering the house my money saved, making visits with my mom impossible, everyone was told what a horrible person I was. Her husband was so furious, I had to file a police report to stop harassment and threats. Yes, threats. It was very, very ugly. But, I stuck to my guns on the foreclosure. And, somewhat surprisingly, payments started coming in when it was clear there was no other choice.

After a few months of steady payments, I was able to sell the mortgage off to a third party mortgage buyer. I got about 60% of the value and ate the rest as a loss. I don't care, I am relieved to be out and glad they bought the note. I am spared what would have been a lifetime of playing banker with a sibling who hates me. It was really, really awful. I have medical disabilities myself and the stress was no good for me.

I had to learn the lesson of not lending to family-which I knew but really didn't know-the hard way. Luckily, I can survive the loss. But the family relationship is ruined forever.

Be advised. Don't lend money to family.
 
My sister could be in this state this summer and your post is a timely one for me. I’m planning on gifting her a used car and might help with a security deposit if she loses her house and (expensive) car following an extended period of joblessness. Please let me know what else you would have done differently.
 
So sorry for your loss! Sometimes you know it might go south when you do something, but never dream it could go THAT far south! Stay safe, the husband sounds unstable.
 
Despicable...that is the term that comes to mind regarding your sister and BIL. And entitled.

I imagine that those two had better hope that nothing goes wrong again in their lives where they need your assistance.
 
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This outfit might have been useful to you. They serve as a middleman and would therefore be the bad guy with respect to late payments, collections and foreclosure. They still probably would have been mad but perhaps less at you.

 
My sister could be in this state this summer and your post is a timely one for me. I’m planning on gifting her a used car and might help with a security deposit if she loses her house and (expensive) car following an extended period of joblessness. Please let me know what else you would have done differently.
Would you have any interest in her (expensive) car? Is she underwater on it?
 
I have an EXTREMELY short list of people I would lend money to. My brother and my parents are on that list. My brother went through a divorce a while ago. He needed money to pay off a vehicle. I think it was 40K. I had the money, and he's very responsible. We set up a private loan. 5% interest, $1K/mo. Worked out great. He paid it off early.

My parents don't need the money and they're early 80s, but if they ever did I would help them out with the understanding it's lost money potentially. Pretty sure they would never ask. They would remortgage the house before that.

Don't lend to friends. Period. The end. You won't be friends afterwards. Banks have signature loans, make them go there.
 
OP...Sorry, very sorry you went thru that. I wonder if maybe the relationship with your sister and her family was already broken.

Our experience was just the opposite with family. We loaned my sister a relatively small amount to buy a car and she paid us back on time and with interest. And we borrowed money from my FIL rather than a bank for the same purpose. We paid him back on time and with interest.

OTOH, we loaned a close friend $ to help him and his family thru a bad time. I was best man at his wedding. He never paid it back and we just wrote it off. We made other gifts to him and his wife over the years including paying for his funeral.
 
One of the things that I think of is how did they get 'here'...

IOW, there were decisions made, things bought, etc. etc. that created them getting to the point of foreclosure... those are lifestyle decisions most of the time... and if that person has bad lifestyle choices then they are not going to change... so do not make any kind of loan...

If it were something that was unexpected... maybe... as some have pointed out a bad divorce, an unexpected death... but even then I would bet most on this board were able to survive these events as we had saved for some kind of disaster...

The only thing that made a difference here is the home of mother... but maybe move her somewhere else and leave DS and BIL to their decisions..

BTW, I hate the 'entitled' people who do not think they should pay back a loan because 'you do not need it'... heck, the bank has a LOT more money than me but they will make your life miserable if you do not pay...
 
What happened to Mom?! So, she used your (and hers) own mother as a carrot (refused you visits) but when the carrot failed, she fell back in line and made payments. Wow! At least you can go to your grave knowing you tried. Good for you.
 
My sister could be in this state this summer and your post is a timely one for me. I’m planning on gifting her a used car and might help with a security deposit if she loses her house and (expensive) car following an extended period of joblessness. Please let me know what else you would have done differently.
What I did in this situation with my Sister who was going to go into foreclosure.

I bought her house from her, adding in all the debts to the purchase. So lets say the house was worth $150K and she had $50 debts in credit cards and 100K in mortgage.

I took over the mortgage of 100K and I paid off all her $50K debts, to buy the house. We used a lawyer of course. All the math inclined folks realize here that my Sister got Zero cash, but eliminated all her debts.

I also agreed to rent the house back to her CHEAP. Which was 1K per month for a 3 bedroom townhouse. I really wasn't making any money on it after the mortgage cost and the monthly maintenance fee and taxes.

I did it this way as frankly she couldn't be trusted with money, she would spend it.
This way she had a place to live and I sold the house after she was done with it over 12 years later.
 
Ironically, I always tell people do not lend money to friends or family. Well, guess what. I didn't follow my own advice. And I paid the price. I lent money to my sister. In my defense, I thought the reason was good (in a bad sort of way). Her home was in foreclosure and my elderly mother lives with her. If the house is lost, my mother is also on the street. And the situation was dire. The loan was in the very late stages of a residential foreclosure-just days away from a Sheriff's sale. To make the loan current a large sum of money was needed at once.

And, I thought I was clever. I didn't just give my sister the money. And I didn't just have her sign a note. I had her and her husband sign a note and mortgage, which they were delighted to do to get the needed cash, and I recorded said mortgage against another unencumbered piece of property they own making me not only secured, but first lienholder. (Yes, they should have sold that to make the loan current but that was not an option at this point.) I was careful. And I wasn't worried. This was my sister after all. I of course knew all about family lending horror stories but my family certainly was different. Of course they would happily pay me back! I saved the family home!

I gave a generous grace period and you can guess what happened when payments were finally due. She didn't want to pay. To make a very long and sad story short, after months of multiple attempts to work something out (equity for debt swap, easier repayment terms, etc. etc.) we reached a dead end. She just wouldn't pay a penny. ("I don't need it!") So, after being told flat out there would be no payments made, I foreclosed.

The result was shock and fury. All family contact was cut off. Not only were we suddenly were no longer on speaking terms and I banned from entering the house my money saved, making visits with my mom impossible, everyone was told what a horrible person I was. Her husband was so furious, I had to file a police report to stop harassment and threats. Yes, threats. It was very, very ugly. But, I stuck to my guns on the foreclosure. And, somewhat surprisingly, payments started coming in when it was clear there was no other choice.

After a few months of steady payments, I was able to sell the mortgage off to a third party mortgage buyer. I got about 60% of the value and ate the rest as a loss. I don't care, I am relieved to be out and glad they bought the note. I am spared what would have been a lifetime of playing banker with a sibling who hates me. It was really, really awful. I have medical disabilities myself and the stress was no good for me.

I had to learn the lesson of not lending to family-which I knew but really didn't know-the hard way. Luckily, I can survive the loss. But the family relationship is ruined forever.

Be advised. Don't lend money to family.
Yeah, lent to BIL. His DW paid like clockwork on the note. When BIL divorced his DW, the payments stopped. We never brought up the subject. We figured family relationships are more important than money. BUT we never loaned to family again. If we couldn't gift to family, we weren't gonna get involved in their financial life.

Money is a tool to us. We strive to leave emotion out of it though it hurts more when family takes advantage of the relationship.
 
Only time I lent money to a friend was when he was starting a small business. Lent him $5000.00, had proper paperwork, etc. He had an opportunity to have a couple people buy in with plenty money to expand his tabletop business and grow it with their expertise. He refused. That alone caused a rift in our friendship since I lightly suggested he look hard at that opportunity. He was determined to do it by himself. He defaulted a year or so later and I was out my small investment.
Unfortunately it caused a loss of a good friend.
And will never loan to other friends or family.
 
Luckily, I have only had one instance where friend or family asked me for a loan and that was over 20 years ago when a good friend was getting divorced and asked me to loan him $3,000 that he paid to free himself from his low-life wife (my wife's cousin). I loaned him the money with no reservation on a handshake and he paid me back within a year.

It was to this day the best $3,000 that he has ever spent.
 
I had to learn the lesson of not lending to family-which I knew but really didn't know-the hard way. Luckily, I can survive the loss. But the family relationship is ruined forever.

Be advised. Don't lend money to family.
I always lend money with no expectation of the payback and it still ruins the relationship. The borrowing family member is always reluctant to keep in touch despite telling them the loan has been written off. No way to win in this situation. As to lending itself: It is easier said than done. They need money and you want to help. But like they say: no good deed goes unpunished.
 
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I loaned a co worker money for a car back in the day. I learned the loan lesson early. It changes the relationship.
Neither a borrower or a lender be.
 
My condolences to the OP. This is an unfortunate situation and a cautionary tale. I'm glad you posted it.

My guess is that your sister and BIL feel entitled to the financial help you provided for parental care, for getting fewer breaks in life, or for some other reason. There's no convincing them otherwise at this point.
 
It's tough to know what to do. I've never lent large sums of money to anyone and I always figure I can write it off if necessary. That said I have lent money to several people including one brother (another brother and I did it jointly). Only had to write it off one time though I have forgiven - gifted - parts of loans several times. I may be in the process of transferring a significant amount of money to DS and DDIL under the guise of a loan as they await interim insurance payment for costs associated with a huge tree coming though their roof during a bad storm that happened more than 2 months ago. It's probably going to be another 6+ months before they get back in the house as so far they don't have a structural engineering report so no contractor can touch it. I figure giving them money now is better than in my estate.
 
First sure, don't loan money to deadbeat family.

A few decades ago I loaned money to my parents and they repaid with interest on time.

Later, my brother repaid a loan with interest on time.

I would do it again with my family, though I doubt they would ever need it.
 
First sure, don't loan money to deadbeat family.

A few decades ago I loaned money to my parents and they repaid with interest on time.

Later, my brother repaid a loan with interest on time.

I would do it again with my family, though I doubt they would ever need it.
I agree with this... it matters what kind of person they are...

I would have no problem lending to any of my family... the thing is that ALL of my family has plenty of money... nobody is hurting at all...

Now, my DD is asking for loans for her next level of college... but I have decided to partially invest in a condo for her and I can get my money back when it is sold.. yes, I can lose in this as I will not ask anything back if the price goes down... it is not a loan but an investment..
 
I don't know where I heard it, but I always say don't lend anything that you can't easily part with. (I know I'm not smart enough to come up with that!) If it's money, secretly consider it a gift in your own mind, and you'll be happy if you're paid back.

That doesn't mean that it still can't ruin relationships, though, either by you refusing to loan something that you know would cause hardship, or by the breach of trust if they don't pay you back, even if it doesn't affect you financially.
 
OP--so sorry you experienced this. Hopefully, over time, you may be able to at least have some contact with your Mom?
 
If the note contained a fair rate of interest, couldn't you always let it go until they pass away and then pick it up in probate? If you go first, then you would list it along with all your assets for your heirs/beneficiaries to obtain.

-gauss
 
We also have a policy of not loaning money. But.......

Two years ago our DIL had an accident with their Honda Odyssey minivan. It was 9 years old, ran great and was paid off. But there was enough front end damage that the insurance company called it a total loss. Son and DIL went shopping for a replacement and found another one, a few years younger and less mileage but they had to pay quite a bit more than the insurance payment.

They had been without a car loan for a few years and didn't want to start with another car payment. So they asked us if they could borrow $10,000. Our son already had a contract to work a side gig the following week. He has a full time salary job but enjoys doing the side gig every year. He said he could probably pay us back in 2-3 months.

Our high yield savings account was paying 4% at the time. I wrote a document for the loan, including the interest rate of 4% and time limit of 4 months (just to be generous) and that no monthly payments were expected, but periodic payments were acceptable. They both signed it.

He made 3 payments within 45 days and it was paid in full. I calculated the interest on the daily balance and in total the interest was $37.

This worked out very nicely for all of us. They got a wonderful vehicle that they own with no monthly payments. We were glad we had plenty in the HYSA and that we were able to do this for them.

They are debt free except for their mortgage. We all agree that borrowing or lending is a no-no. But this one worked out well and they were very appreciative of the favor.
 
If the note contained a fair rate of interest, couldn't you always let it go until they pass away and then pick it up in probate? If you go first, then you would list it along with all your assets for your heirs/beneficiaries to obtain.

-gauss
Bold of you to assume someone like that would die with a solvent estate.... 😁
 
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