Financial Advisors

Next time I meet a FA who promises results (with money back if not satisfied) I just might consider her/him. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my own, flawed investing. If I screw it up, I'll take the hit - just like if a FA screwed it up and charged me to do so.
 
I acknowledge that many people find finances to be intimidating, and for those people a financial advisor may be a good thing.
Yeahbut those are the folks least capable of selecting someone suitable. Hopefully such an individual is fortunate enough to get recomended to a suitable FA. I believe strongly that by the time you learn enough to select a suitable FA, you also know enough to DIY. Some may still choose to work with an FA but understanding the details is still important.
 
With the AUM model it seems that many FAs just go out and buy mutual funds/ETFs that have additional fees and maybe dom’t assist with other aspects of financisl planning (taxes, insurance, estate, etc. ). I’d be more ok if they are picking stocks for 1% fee + commissions with access to expertise in related fields. I don’t think any FAs charge based on excess return above a broad index, do they?
 
I believe strongly that by the time you learn enough to select a suitable FA, you also know enough to DIY. Some may still choose to work with an FA but understanding the details is still important.
I agree completely. I learned a lot from the mistakes (I allowed) my FAs to "commit" in my name. Now that I know what to look for in a FA, I don't need one. Ironic, isn't it?


(Now, if I insist on doing something stupid, I can do it myself and save the fees.) :cool:
 
Personally, I would rather make the financial mistakes than an FA. That way I learn from the experience.

I’ve always managed my own finances and believe that nobody cares more about my money than me. I don’t mind paying for advice, but I don’t see the value in an FA. If you’re filling a role that you don’t understand (such as executor), then you should learn real quick or get help. But for the general stuff, it’s not that hard, especially if you keep it simple.
 
With the AUM model it seems that many FAs just go out and buy mutual funds/ETFs that have additional fees and maybe dom’t assist with other aspects of financisl planning (taxes, insurance, estate, etc. ). I’d be more ok if they are picking stocks for 1% fee + commissions with access to expertise in related fields. I don’t think any FAs charge based on excess return above a broad index, do they?
The only problem being that we have a half-century or more of data showing that stock picking doesn't work. At least with mutual funds the client has a chance at having a diversified portfolio.
 
Hi Everyone-this is my first thread. My question is how often should your financial advisor contact you to go over your portfolio? If the rule is that the customer must call advisor, how often do you call? How much input do you have with your advisor. I do not know too much about the stock market and I think it is time now to learn!!!
I know this thread is from a couple of years back, but I stumbled on it while searching for something else and it really resonated with me. It is incredibly frustrating when you feel like you have to beg just to get an update on your own money.

I went through a pretty similar headache with two different advisors who basically ghosted me the second the ink dried on the paperwork. I'd go over half a year without hearing a peep, and calling them felt like I was bothering them. I eventually got fed up and moved my stuff over to Harvest Wealth Partners just to get some actual communication. From my experience, a decent advisor should be checking in at least quarterly without you having to chase them down. Curious if you ever found someone who actually communicates properly?
 
"Curious if you ever found someone who actually communicates properly?"

That would be me, the DIY guy.
 
I know this thread is from a couple of years back, but I stumbled on it while searching for something else and it really resonated with me. It is incredibly frustrating when you feel like you have to beg just to get an update on your own money.

I went through a pretty similar headache with two different advisors who basically ghosted me the second the ink dried on the paperwork. I'd go over half a year without hearing a peep, and calling them felt like I was bothering them. I eventually got fed up and moved my stuff over to Harvest Wealth Partners just to get some actual communication. From my experience, a decent advisor should be checking in at least quarterly without you having to chase them down. Curious if you ever found someone who actually communicates properly?
I had a similar situation with a boutique firm more than a decade ago and pre-retirement. That service used Schwab and when I’d ask about performance reporting, I would be told to go to the Schwab site and figure out how to get the reporting I wanted. I ended up with Vanguard’s Personal Advisor Service for the same fee and have been quite happy with the service. Quarterly reviews are proactively scheduled by my Advisor and I can schedule anything ad-hoc that I need.
 
Hesperus, I suppose it depends on the level of advice and point in your financial journey that you’re at (and what you need to communicate with them about). We had more frequent meetings with our advisor when we first engaged with his firm, setting up buckets for when assets would need to be available. Then, as retirement approached we spent time mapping out income sources and streams based on where the assets were and how to access them most efficiently. We’re still a few years away from RMDs when we will consult with him more. For now, we usually call when we need funds for a large purchase or one off expenses. We always get a call back promptly and an offer to meet if need be.
Yes, I know we are paying for these services but it is well worth the cost and the superior returns we are getting from our investments without having to manage or watch it frequently ourself.
 
Wow, it’s rather shocking to me that an FA would be difficult to communicate with. I thought the problem would be too much communication. This is something that should be part of setting expectations at the outset. My free advisor at Fidelity checks in every 6 months and we usually meet by phone annually. He understands and respects that I am DIY. He can see all our non-Fidelity holdings because I use the GPS tool but he’s never been pushy about bringing those assets to him. If my FA was not responding in a timely fashion I’d ask for a change and move on to another firm if necessary even if it was painful from a tax standpoint.
 
I know this thread is from a couple of years back, but I stumbled on it while searching for something else and it really resonated with me. It is incredibly frustrating when you feel like you have to beg just to get an update on your own money.

I went through a pretty similar headache with two different advisors who basically ghosted me the second the ink dried on the paperwork. I'd go over half a year without hearing a peep, and calling them felt like I was bothering them. I eventually got fed up and moved my stuff over to Harvest Wealth Partners just to get some actual communication. From my experience, a decent advisor should be checking in at least quarterly without you having to chase them down. Curious if you ever found someone who actually communicates properly?
I know when I used an FA, I always made a meeting appointment for the next quarter before leaving the current meeting. It worked for me.
 
Generally speaking, transferring to a new broker doesn’t trigger a taxable event. But it’s still kinda painful.
It's hard to find numbers on the transfer to a different broker. It depends on the funds you are sold. If they are institutional or similar, there can be a very nice tax day for the gov't.
 
It's hard to find numbers on the transfer to a different broker. It depends on the funds you are sold. If they are institutional or similar, there can be a very nice tax day for the gov't.
Thus the caveat of “generally speaking”. None of my multiple transfers between brokers have created a taxable event.
 
Thus the caveat of “generally speaking”. None of my multiple transfers between brokers have created a taxable event.
Well, generally speaking is your case, but I differ with that.
 
This liquidity issue is easily avoided by providing the FA with a list of prohibited investments. For example:

• Individual Commodities, Surrogate Funds, and Commodity Options
• Hedge Funds and other “alternative” investments except REITs
• Unregistered or restricted stock
• Private Placements
• Initial public offering (must have two year trading history)
• Security Options (Puts and Calls)
• Limited Partnerships except publicly-traded MLPs
• Venture Capital
• Direct Investment in Real Estate except via publicly-traded REITs
• Illiquid Investments
• Investments that cannot be readily valued
• Investments that cannot be readily transferred between custodians

(This is snipped & edited from the Investment Policy Statement of a nonprofit where I am on the investment committee. Easy, peasy to write your own. I wrote most of this one -- we are investors, not traders..
 
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I don’t use an FA but I believe a quarterly touch base is typical. If the FA is recommending (or making) lots of trades in/out of mutual funds be wary.
IDK what's typical but MIL's FA charged 1% of AUM and never called.
 
MIL's FA charged 1% of AUM
I thought that most of the advisors charging 1%+ had gone by the wayside since asset management and trading became so automated. I remember when 2% was considered the norm, but now there are so many in the .3% category, I’m surprised than anyone can command a 1% fee.
 
I'm guessing all the big players have the lower fees but there are a lot of these little brick and mortar based shops where guys are facing limited competition. FIL never appreciated how much the occasional free drink at the golf course was costing him.
 
I recently inherited a portfolio comprised of 33 stocks and 11 mutual funds. It's the type of portfolio no modern informed investor would build from scratch, but now that it's in my possession, I have no incentive to sell it all and simplify it into a total market fund. Imagine the transaction fees alone!

So given that scenario, I am happy to consult a certified CFP with my questions. It's reassuring that mine was on Wall Street before opting for a quieter life. I know what I don't know, and I have no trouble admitting I don't have the experience or acumen to study a stock's Morningstar sheet and know at a glance whether or not it meets my needs and goals.

I also have been saving throughout my working career, and have that all rolled over into a simple Fidelity account that I manage myself. It's nice to have the big brokerage tied to a highly knowledgeable human, while the standard retirement sized Fido account is left entirely to my own devices.
 
I recently inherited a portfolio comprised of 33 stocks and 11 mutual funds. It's the type of portfolio no modern informed investor would build from scratch, but now that it's in my possession, I have no incentive to sell it all and simplify it into a total market fund. Imagine the transaction fees alone!
There should not be any transaction fees on those stocks and probably not on those mutual funds if they are decent no-load funds that most of us use.

And right after inheriting assets like this is an excellent time to sell and simplify your holdings due to Stepped Up Basis and minimal capital gains and taxes.

Most of us here could do this ourselves easily.
It's not necessary to own individual stocks and since you don't feel comfortable with them, the simple answer is to sell them and move the proceeds into various index funds.

No real need to hire a CFP/FA to do this...
 
I thought that most of the advisors charging 1%+ had gone by the wayside since asset management and trading became so automated. I remember when 2% was considered the norm, but now there are so many in the .3% category, I’m surprised than anyone can command a 1% fee.
I think that's the equivalent of their MSRP, and they give "discounts" for higher NW or other things to make it seem like a better deal. All I know is that I'm happy I found my fee-only advisor around the time we retired, there has been a lot more uncertainty shifting from accumulation to spend-down, and while I was good at the accumulation part, he is helping me optimize the drawdown phase and do better with the planning for that part, particularly tax planning and Roth conversions.
 
There should not be any transaction fees on those stocks and probably not on those mutual funds if they are decent no-load funds that most of us use.

And right after inheriting assets like this is an excellent time to sell and simplify your holdings due to Stepped Up Basis and minimal capital gains and taxes.

Most of us here could do this ourselves easily.
It's not necessary to own individual stocks and since you don't feel comfortable with them, the simple answer is to sell them and move the proceeds into various index funds.

No real need to hire a CFP/FA to do this...
I just said I'm happy with my choice.
 
I just said I'm happy with my choice.
I did the same thing with an inherited brokerage account, and while I tell people who just inherited one to sell it and redistribute the money to match their preferred asset allocation, I am still in some of those positions 10 years later....although that account is going to be the first to be liquidated as we draw down! We did fund a few years of charitable giving via our DAF from AMAT stock that was 95% gains, and there are a few bonds in there with 6-7% rates that I couldn't give up (although one did go under, so maybe I should have?). I also figured it's about 6% of our NW, so even if it turns out to be a horrible idea, I'm OK with that.
 
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