Hello, I’m from Pennsylvania, aged nearly 55.

I just spend what I spend and invest what’s left over in the stock market. I’ll have to start tracking it.
I would urge you to visit the link in braumeister’s post (#4). Members here would consider the questions raised there as critical information items.

Starting to track spending is a great step forward. You also have the opportunity to revisit your spending and savings during 2024. All the data is still there and easily accessed.
 
Welcome to the ER Forum MrBojangles,

In addition to Frequently Asked Questions noted by Braumeister noted above, consider playing with FireCalc.

A consideration for you should include a financial / retirement plan for your DW in the event you pass first.

MarieIG
 
Welcome to the ER Forum MrBojangles,

In addition to Frequently Asked Questions noted by Braumeister noted above, consider playing with FireCalc.

A consideration for you should include a financial / retirement plan for your DW in the event you pass first.

MarieIG
I’ll definitely do both of those. I’m new to this site and have lots of exploring to do.
 
With regards to health insurance that’s the big hurdle. I can get it for life starting at age 60 since I had 25 years of Federal service, but I don’t want to work that long.

My wife will have to work until at least 55 when her student loans are paid off...
Why are you hanging onto those student loans so long?
Is the interest rate really low? 2% or so?

It's generally best to get rid of debt sooner rather than later...
 
The plan is to rent it out peak months and use it the off season. I’m not particularly keen on even doing that, but it would make my wife happy.
We have some friends from Vermont who do that with a place at Myrtle Beach. They use it during the winter but Myrtle Beach winters are great compared to Vermont winters so they are happy and then they rent it out spring, summer and fall. That would be much less costly.
 
Are you sure that you don't want to change your screen name to Mr. Debbie Downer? :) I'm mostly kidding, but there are "solutions" to your frustrations with little effort.

First, as has been mentioned by others, many here who retire early rely on ACA subsidies to make health insurance more affordable until they are eligible for Medicare at age 65. They manage their income to get certain levels of subsidies toward health insurance.

SEPP aka 72t plans allow you to access retirement savings before 59-1/2 if needed but since you have $750k saved outside taxable accounts to get you to 59-1/2 in ~4 years you shouldn't need a SEPP/72t unless you're living really high on the hog.

You seem to fear capital gains but have you really studied it? For a married couple under 65 in 2025 they could have up to $30,000 in ordinary income and up to $96,700 in a combination of qualified dividends and LTCG and pay $0 in federal income taxes! That's $126,700 of total income and $0 income taxes... I love America! :cool: And that's gains... so the proceeds from sale which could be used for spending would likely be much higher. So why the fear?

The key input that you haven't disclosed is how much you need to live on in retirement. However, according to FIRECalc if one had $3 million and a 45 year time horizon (from 55 to 100) and a 60/40 AA (not sure what yours is) you could withdraw as much as $106k a year with 95% success ($101k for 99% success rate). And that doesn't even consider what you will be receiving from your federal pension and/or social security!

It's really unclear to me what you are complaining about. You have the world by the gonads and could probably retire now if you really wanted to. Stop complaining and start thinking!
This above is closest to what I would say, and your numbers are close to mine — actually, mine are lower and I don’t have a pension, and so far so good for me and DW. Key differences are my DW is closer in age, and we don’t have the student loan. Yet your higher numbers and pension may offset those.

The biggest difference, though, is this dream home your DW desires with your taxable savings, and the rental property you’re managing. Those are big wild cards.

Still, I agree with others that you’re in a good situation, and now you just have to work out the numbers in more detail. I suspect you’ll be pleasantly surprised and also then can speak (with DW) with more authority on buying the dream home and managing your rental.
 
I believe that’s for accounts with employers that you are employed by in your 55th year. The bulk of that is with an employer I left at age 53. Now I could tap this retirement account I am currently funding before age 59 1/2. It just sucks that l might have to.

For me, I’m better off than most due to prior Federal employment.

It’s absolutely ridiculous that for most, any hope of retirement is at age 62 at the earliest, and yet there’s no Medicare until age 65. So retirement really is no earlier than age 65 for most. And, anything less than age 70 for social security is reduced, no matter what they say, so full retirement really isn’t 67 like they say.

I just can’t believe I’m having to write this when I see such tremendous wealth in this country and yet folks have to work seemingly forever and yet have to ask can I afford to retire.

And I did it by living frugally. We go to the beach during the off season for only a few days, stuff like that. No European vacations for the summer despite wanting to do just that. Being employed also makes this unrealistic. (I love the UK, BTW!)

OTOH, I don’t understand how folks with good jobs are so broke. You don’t need to eat out every meal, you don’t need new clothes all the time, a vacation 4 times a year to exotic locations, private schools for the kids, a Mercedes. I’ve never spent more than $27,512 fir a vehicle…
Sound like you understand the frugality needed for FIRE. If you can get your health insurance under control, I think you've probably got it made.
 
Why are you hanging onto those student loans so long?
Is the interest rate really low? 2% or so?

It's generally best to get rid of debt sooner rather than later...
I’ve told my wife that but it’s her only debt and she claims it helps her credit score.

She also has high five figures in a bank account but refuses to invest it as she is afraid of losing principle.

I finally got her to put $500 a month towards retirement in a mutual fund as, again, her boss being cheap, she refuses to fund a retirement but claims that would be made up with meaningful bonuses throughout the year. That need up being $1000 at Christmas…
 
Just be aware... vacation homes are expensive. That $600-800k invested in abeach place means $600-800k that isn't earning income so at 5% that's $30-40k a year of opportunity cost. Then there is property taxes, association fees if applicable, utilities, maintenance, etc. so add another $10-15k so that's $40-55k a year. Even f you use the beach house 6 months a year that's $6.7-9.2k a month. Offsetting that is any appreciation but it is hard to count that since it doesn't help pay the bills.

All of that said, we have vacation homes but our eyes are wide open that it is expensive and luckily we can afford it. I think it is smarter to rent if you can.
I also live in Pennsylvania and we do have a home at the Jersey Shore, which is likely the beach area he is thinking about. They are expensive, but short term seasonal rentals can help cover the cost . Our SFH is 4 bedroom and 2 baths with off street parking that rents for $4,400/wk during high season. It helps offset the costs quite a bit. We average 4-5 weeks per summer that we open to tenants. We or other family use it the rest of the summer.
New Jersey property taxes are high. We pay about $7k. Utilities are reasonable. We pay ~$4,000 annually for landscapers to keep our 7,000 sq ft corner lot looking good. That includes cleaning up after a very messy Magnolia tree that’s nearly 100 years old. Our beach is free to access, but some towns require beach passes.
Prices of beach homes vary greatly and depend a lot on how close to the beach they are. We bought our 80+ year old home in 2017 and its value has doubled. It is two blocks from the boardwalk and a wide beach. We have done improvements (new siding, new roof, new driveway and sidewalks, new bow window) totaling over $100k.
We’ve paid zero tax on any rental income because of our expenses.
Is it worth it? Absolutely, if you can afford it. I wouldn’t buy one using a mortgage.
 
I’ve told my wife that but it’s her only debt and she claims it helps her credit score.

She also has high five figures in a bank account but refuses to invest it as she is afraid of losing principle.

I finally got her to put $500 a month towards retirement in a mutual fund as, again, her boss being cheap, she refuses to fund a retirement but claims that would be made up with meaningful bonuses throughout the year. That need up being $1000 at Christmas…
If your wife is willing to learn, you might ask her to read a couple of books on investing (the group here will have suggestions).

I was always good at saving, but I had a fairly toxic view of investing - especially in equities. This group steered me toward more appropriate investments and I've been the better for the knowledge. We CAN learn a better way if we are willing to do so.

I've had to help DW get over some of her more toxic ideas about investing. For the most part, she's uninterested and just lets me steer her. I'd prefer she took more interest, but at least she no longer holds as many toxic views on investing.

Best to you going forward.
 
I’ve told my wife that but it’s her only debt and she claims it helps her credit score.

She also has high five figures in a bank account but refuses to invest it as she is afraid of losing principle.

I finally got her to put $500 a month towards retirement in a mutual fund as, again, her boss being cheap, she refuses to fund a retirement but claims that would be made up with meaningful bonuses throughout the year. That need up being $1000 at Christmas…
I see.
There are relationship issues involved here, so I understand that.

I'll just mention that a high credit score is of minimal utility to some of us with higher than average income and assets.
In my case, for example, I've not had any consumer loans or mortgages for almost a decade now and my credit score is (I think) just over 800 with my only activity being two credit cards that I pay in full monthly...
 
I see.
There are relationship issues involved here, so I understand that.

I'll just mention that a high credit score is of minimal utility to some of us with higher than average income and assets.
In my case, for example, I've not had any consumer loans or mortgages for almost a decade now and my credit score is (I think) just over 800 with my only activity being two credit cards that I pay in full monthly...
Right. Same here. Avoid forgetting a payment on your CCs and you should be able to maintain 800 points without other debt. I've had no other debt (no car payments for 40 years, no mortgage for 15 years) and always 815 to 825.
 
Right. Same here. Avoid forgetting a payment on your CCs and you should be able to maintain 800 points without other debt. I've had no other debt (no car payments for 40 years, no mortgage for 15 years) and always 815 to 825.
Same here. Only difference is I took out a $2,500 car loan to get an additional $2,500 break on the price back in 2021. Paid it off in a month. Doesn’t even show up on my credit report.
 
As others said, you don't need to do SEPP/72t, but if you want to read the bible on the subject, follow this link and sign up in the yellow box on the right side (he doesn't sell or use the emails for anything, I've received one email from him in the last 3 years). 72(t) Expert, SEPPs Income Planning, and 72t Calculator | 72tcalc.com

Your wife is giving up 9-10% annual in gains. Its been pulling teeth to get my fiance to invest a little more aggressively so I know it can be a hard battle, but dang, high 6 figures that is sitting in a bank account makes my eye twitch. Tell her to dump it all in Vanguard VTSAX and then relax.

An excellent first book to read is Boglehead's Guide to Investing. There are a few sections that get a bit technical/mathy, just skip that and go back to it later. It is otherwise very easy to read and understand. Might be a great first book for your wife, too. https://www.amazon.com/Bogleheads-Guide-Investing-Taylor-Larimore/dp/0470067365

Oh, and welcome from a fellow Fed. Sorry to hear you had it hard trying to move up. I stayed at a GS-13 for 20 years, no regrets. Everyone above me had to do supervisor *hit like performance reviews and dealing with personnel issues. No thanks. I stayed technical. Got to a step 10 and retired early at 50.
 
She also has high five figures in a bank account but refuses to invest it as she is afraid of losing principle.
Your wife is giving up 9-10% annual in gains. Its been pulling teeth to get my fiance to invest a little more aggressively so I know it can be a hard battle, but dang, high 6 figures that is sitting in a bank account makes my eye twitch. Tell her to dump it all in Vanguard VTSAX and then relax.

(High five figures, not six, but that's just a detail.)

Forcing someone to go past their risk tolerance is inviting disaster. She is currently giving up 9-10% long-term average gains minus whatever interest the bank account is yielding - and right now she could probably get low to mid 4% on short-term USTs or CDs - so giving up 4.5-5.8%. But what happens if there's a year like 2022 (-18.1%), 2008 (-37%), or 2000-2002 (-9.1%, -11.9%, -22%)? Forget that; this year there was a -12.1% return in six days! Forget that it's recovered since then and, how the year will end - the principal loss will likely cause the investor to panic and sell at a loss.
 
(High five figures, not six, but that's just a detail.)

... the principal loss will likely cause the investor to panic and sell at a loss.
I sit corrected on the amount. Still a nice chunk of money to be missing out on a higher %. As for your last point, that's where the book I listed might help. It starts off with philosophy/do/don't, including don't panic.
 

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