How would an AI bubble effect most people?

What would the magnificent 7 be spending all their profits on if it wasn't AI?

I don't think it's a bubble unless the AI turns out to not be useful (like Microsoft clippy). Then it's just back to normal (without clippy), but with lots more cloud and electric infrastructure...which out to be cheaper then.
 
Interesting topic and perspectives. My take is stay diversified and have cash to deal with the correction if it happens.
 
Google's CEO had a comment on this yesterday (from US News Decision Points newsletter):

Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google parent company Alphabet, warned in an interview with the BBC that the AI investment boom had “elements of irrationality.” And if it turns out to be a bubble that pops, “no company is going to be immune, including us.”​
Apparently alluding to the late 1990s dotcom bubble, Pichai said, “We can look back at the internet right now. There was clearly a lot of excess investment, but none of us would question whether the internet was profound.”​
"I expect AI to be the same. So I think it's both rational and there are elements of irrationality through a moment like this."​
If he's not sure but expecting bumps in the short term, I think we all should! Irrational Exuberance anyone?
Inertia. Ai has it. The inertia is there for it to be better than "the internet". Governance is key.

Nobody wants ai slop, and hallucinations get old quickly. Honestly, the fact we are discovering this sooner than later is probably for the better.

Super imposing people into deep fake videos EEEk.

I think there will definitely be some winners and losers. I work in tech and it seems employers are hiring for people with AI skills and almost all levels.

The million dollar engineers, those are the extremely intelligent human beings working on really hard problems.
I am more like a C-list actor in this space.
 
And sooner or later there will be too much capacity in the data centers. This is the same playbook the chemical industry goes through every time their is a big demand for a new product. At one time there were so many new polyolifins plants built that almost no operator had enough work to run a continuous operation.

And boy, did it get price competitive. The same thing happened with copper water tube production in the 1970 - 1985 period.
We have to see. Right now, my company couldn't even get enough cloud capacity from the big tech. And once an organization moves to the cloudz they don't move back.
 
Interesting topic and perspectives. My take is stay diversified and have cash to deal with the correction if it happens.
Not too diversified on the equities side, but have cash for a correction potential.
Going back and forth on the diversification and will decide by year end.
 
We have to see. Right now, my company couldn't even get enough cloud capacity from the big tech. And once an organization moves to the cloudz they don't move back.
It's early yet. I saw the same thing happen in the plastics industry and over time it sorts itself out. But the high profits for the early guys go away to the product turning into a commodity. It's the classic business cycle.
 
I don't remember so much yammering about the dot com bubble before it burst.

It seems to me if it's on the tip of everyone's tongue, it's nothing to be afraid of; nobody will be caught off guard. There are probably worse things out there that could trigger a debt crisis or something.
 
Not too diversified on the equities side, but have cash for a correction potential.
Going back and forth on the diversification and will decide by year end.
For equities I mostly have total market index with some mid, small, and international index funds added. I will probably ultimately just add to total market index in the future.

I also have a few old active funds remaining that I no longer use but are too expensive tax-wise to get rid of. One of these has a very high tech exposure but fortunately is no longer a large part of my portfolio. Unfortunately, it also likes to throw off large cap gains distributions during major run-ups and will do so again this year.
 
I hope and don't believe it is like the 2001 Nasdaq bubble, in which so many companies which earned nothing were bid up to the sky. Even today's high flyers like NVIDIA actually turn a profit. Core indexing, portfolio allocation, no market timing always seems prudent.
 
I don't remember so much yammering about the dot com bubble before it burst.

It seems to me if it's on the tip of everyone's tongue, it's nothing to be afraid of. There are probably worse things out there that could trigger a debt crisis or something.
I do. Seriously. People were saying things were crazy with all these companies like Pets.com that had extreme valuations and negative earnings. But people were also very excited. Companies were adopting dot com interfaces (i.e. web sites for buying etc.) as fast as they could and constantly touting their dot com personas. But it was really all tech too - chip companies, networking companies, etc., NASDAQ was going crazy! All these start-ups and fly by nights - money was just being thrown at anything that went public that year, and companies were rushing to do so. Traditional large non-tech companies, especially value companies, had depressed valuations at the same time. There were really funny ads at the time like ETrade’s 2002 Super Bowl Ad “he’s got money coming out the wazoo!”

I also wondered whether the markets were climbing a wall of worry because we also had Y2K hanging over our head and folks were very concerned.

But the Fed really broke up the party because they raised interest rates in late 1999 due to inflationary pressures just as oil prices had also significantly increased. So it was a double whammy and the negative earnings companies weren’t sustainable in that environment. It just all fell apart like a tall stack of cards.

I retired mid 1999. I had divested of a large chunk of my company stock to reinvest and diversify, but I was worried about the unprecedented extreme equity valuations, and in one of my very lucky breaks I decided instead to average into the markets over two years instead of the traditional one. By 2001 I switched from monthly to quarterly so that the averaging in stretched out to three years, finally completed in Q4 of 2002.

Another lucky break, in 1999 I also sold all the individual tech stocks in taxable accounts that we had picked up in the sell-offs in 1997 and 1998 because they had run up so very much, many too early during that year, but who cares! I only held on to some of my remaining shares in CSCO. :facepalm: This was actually to fund our initial larger travel budget in retirement. I exercised all remaining stock options and ESOPs. DH sold a small piece of investment land. We really cleaned house investment wise, streamlining for our new retirement phase. Again, dumb luck.

FWIW the dot com bubble burst in March 2000, and overall continued dropping until Oct 2002. It wasn’t just the dot coms - it was the drawn out 2000 election, the 2001 911 attacks, several massive corporate fraud scandals in 2001 and 2002, including Enron, WorldCom and some health companies. It just kept coming and coming.
 
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AI bubble? ... maybe, but the bigger concern to me is inflation and recession. AI is eliminating jobs in the short run; most notably entry SW engineers. This current bull market is entering its 4th yr; the average bull duration is 5.5 yrs. And its average end is right about the time of midterm elections where the state of the economy will be front and center on the minds of voters. So the end is nearing if you believe in historical averages. And there is only so much the Walmarts of the world can do to absorb/hide the impact of the tariffs. I'm still staying mostly at my 70/30 AA and will likely remain so forever. 14 mo from now I will finally start withdrawing from my IRA at age 59.5 yrs, and my bridge $ will be mostly depleted at that time. Sort of scary doing this entering a recession with SORR concerns and all, but FIRECalc says I'll survive. However ...sticking with historical averages, the resulting bear market will last about 14 mo before recovering ...and I'll be auto-reinvesting Divs and CGs throughout that time :)
 
AI bubble? ... maybe, but the bigger concern to me is inflation and recession. AI is eliminating jobs in the short run; most notably entry SW engineers. This current bull market is entering its 4th yr; the average bull duration is 5.5 yrs. And its average end is right about the time of midterm elections where the state of the economy will be front and center on the minds of voters. So the end is nearing if you believe in historical averages. And there is only so much the Walmarts of the world can do to absorb/hide the impact of the tariffs. I'm still staying mostly at my 70/30 AA and will likely remain so forever. 14 mo from now I will finally start withdrawing from my IRA at age 59.5 yrs, and my bridge $ will be mostly depleted at that time. Sort of scary doing this entering a recession with SORR concerns and all, but FIRECalc says I'll survive. However ...sticking with historical averages, the resulting bear market will last about 14 mo before recovering ...and I'll be auto-reinvesting Divs and CGs throughout that time :)
But earnings from most companies in the last 6 months are strong though.

And if there is a recession, I have a feeling the next bull run will be setup to be a big boom.
 
The Magnificent 7 of the SP500 are all heavily invested in AI. If the AI bubble burst, I think the SP500 would drop 25%. To put things in perspective, the equal weight SP500 RSP is up 6.3% YTD, while the SP500 is up 12.5%.
 
For equities I mostly have total market index with some mid, small, and international index funds added. I will probably ultimately just add to total market index in the future.

I also have a few old active funds remaining that I no longer use but are too expensive tax-wise to get rid of. One of these has a very high tech exposure but fortunately is no longer a large part of my portfolio. Unfortunately, it also likes to throw off large cap gains distributions during major run-ups and will do so again this year.
Yeah thinking about total, mid, small, but still not open to International despite the better performance this year. I attribute that somewhat at least to the tariff reaction on the US side.
 
Yeah thinking about total, mid, small, but still not open to International despite the better performance this year. I attribute that somewhat at least to the tariff reaction on the US side.
International equity has been a pain for us tax-wise (both tax planning and the extra forms) and now I wish I didn’t own it for that reason.
 
I don't remember so much yammering about the dot com bubble before it burst.

It seems to me if it's on the tip of everyone's tongue, it's nothing to be afraid of; nobody will be caught off guard. There are probably worse things out there that could trigger a debt crisis or something.
Bull markets climb a wall of worry...
 
audreyh1,
Can you explain the extra forms needed for international equity? I've owned international index funds for many years and never had to file any special forms.
 
audreyh1,
Can you explain the extra forms needed for international equity? I've owned international index funds for many years and never had to file any special forms.
It depends on if you want to claim the foreign tax credit from your taxable accounts. If you hold them in tax deferred or Roth accounts it doesn’t matter. Form 1116 is the extra form, and not so easy to understand, TurboTax handles it. You also may have to carry part of the tax credit over if you can’t use it all.

My biggest frustration is that extra surprise income related to the foreign tax credits. You don’t receive that income (because it was used to pay foreign taxes) but it still increases your AGI. However there is no way to know by how much. Late January is usually when I finally see the additional numbers. So I have to pad my projected AGI. This potentially pushes me into a higher IRMAA bracket. I really try to avoid that happening.
 
Thanks for the advice. Nearly all of my foreign funds are in tax deferred and Roth accounts.
 
You can ask AI to list the most likely scenarios. That would be insightful and ironic!

I think the bubble prick will expose more than fake AI-labeled companies. But that story goes very dark.
I'd be interested in knowing the top three fake AI- labelled companies...
 
What would the magnificent 7 be spending all their profits on if it wasn't AI?

I don't think it's a bubble unless the AI turns out to not be useful (like Microsoft clippy). Then it's just back to normal (without clippy), but with lots more cloud and electric infrastructure...which out to be cheaper then.
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Recently two blogs/emails have included pictures with AI generation in the caption. I thought this one from TIPSWatch was particularly informative.
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The Magnificent 7 of the SP500 are all heavily invested in AI. If the AI bubble burst, I think the SP500 would drop 25%. To put things in perspective, the equal weight SP500 RSP is up 6.3% YTD, while the SP500 is up 12.5%.
For a higher concentration in the Magnificent Seven and similar, I recommend the Megacap Growth ETF, MGK...
 
What would the magnificent 7 be spending all their profits on if it wasn't AI?

I don't think it's a bubble unless the AI turns out to not be useful (like Microsoft clippy). Then it's just back to normal (without clippy), but with lots more cloud and electric infrastructure...which out to be cheaper then.
Clearly Clippy introduced in 1997 was way way too early. But it does underline Microsoft’s strong interest in AI even way back then. ETA: Yes - it was a core focus in 1991 when Microsoft Research was founded.

I think the incredibly broad diversity of potential applications of AI is so large that plenty is going to be useful and increasingly so. A lot already is (coding, for example). Heck, I drive it all the time (FSD) and love it. They could have done a poor job in which case I would have hated it and not used it. So implementation is a huge factor in whether people find something useful and adopt it.
 
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