Income Investing Results - July

Added a Total Return (TR) column thinking it might help me in deciding on Portfolio changes.

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Flieger
 
Just finished my review of the first half of 2025 with the first half of 2024 and 2023. Dividend growth investing continues to exceed our needs. I also am just $6K away from my RMD requirement for 2025 using QCD giving. That means I will start moving more of my dividend growth investments from my T-IRA to my ROTH.
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Updated performance for this week.

Waiting on LO to exit EIC. Will put in LO's for JFR and CSWC Tuesday. As it stands today, would have $3,157 Total increase ($2,070 Divs, $1,087 Price gain) based on this Div Chasing cycle. Price gain will likely dissipate, but hope to not go negative.

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Overall, Div's on track for July at current $5,539.
Basis (inclusive of income taken from Portfolio on Thursday) is up 0.8% for July, down 0.9% from Start of year.

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Flieger
 
EARLY CALL EXERCISE. And I thought I was so smart !
Over the past month, I sold July 3 expiry calls against NLY. I was hoping that I would be lucky and keep the call premium as well as catch to 70c dividend that goes ex tomorrow 6/30. Luckily, I realized an early call was a possibility, so I sold seriously in-the-money strikes. My AVERAGE purchase price of NLY was 18.99. So when my 18.50 calls were exercised, I only earned net 8c each. But when my (larger position) 19 calls were exercised, I earned 39c each. It was net worth doing, but my dreams of sharp players leaving me 70c/share dividend sugar plums proved just to be just dreams!
Regards, Dick
I wish I was smart enough to understand Options Dick.....good for you!
 
For all you double dippers…
DX missed earnings could be down a little today, but goes ex on the 23rd at 16%, WDI then goes ex on the 24th at about 12%. Not saying you should, just pointing out juxtapositioned ex dates.
 
For all you double dippers…
DX missed earnings could be down a little today, but goes ex on the 23rd at 16%, WDI then goes ex on the 24th at about 12%. Not saying you should, just pointing out juxtapositioned ex dates.
Good call gonna have to get up earlier to take advantage of the dipping club
 
I am getting very impatient. EIC is killing my Div Chasing strategy this month, JFR is not helping. I may just take the hit. Also, will likely exit EIC completely, not just the Div Chase buy.

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Flieger
 
Why not just accumulate standard ETFs like S&P 500, SCHD, VIG, QQQM and a few solid dividend stocks like KO, PM, MSFT and HD — and simply watch the dividends grow over time?
 
Why not just accumulate standard ETFs like S&P 500, SCHD, VIG, QQQM and a few solid dividend stocks like KO, PM, MSFT and HD — and simply watch the dividends grow over time?
Here is an income investor's answer: MSFT is a fabulous company and it''s shares have made lots of folks wealthy. But it's DIVIDEND YIELD is less than 1%. If you purchase MSFT today, you are likely to realize healthy positive returns over any relatively long horizon. BUT if you are an INCOME INVESTOR --- with Treasury debt in the 4's, solid corporate debt in the 7's, and well run debt CEFs in the 11's --- and you choose start even a growing INCOME INVESTMENT at under 1%, you cannot ever recover the radical incone opportunity differentials. It's really important for investors who choose an "equity income" strategy to appropriately evaluate the source of their wealth creation, and it is almost never from the dividend/income component of total returns.
Regards, Dick
 
Exited EIC with a hit. Still positive at the moment for increased Div, but not what expected. Still holding some JFR for the time being.

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Flieger
 
What are the 3 to 5 best run CEFs? Ones that you can buy and forget about them... ie, never trade them...
 
MSFT CAGR is 29.23% over the past 10 years. You could sell 5%-10% of your MSFT stock per year during retirement and will likely never deplete during your life. Dividends don’t matter.
 
MSFT CAGR is 29.23% over the past 10 years. You could sell 5%-10% of your MSFT stock per year during retirement and will likely never deplete during your life. Dividends don’t matter.
Everyone is free to invest, and take the risk accordingly that they choose.

Flieger
 
Why not just accumulate standard ETFs like S&P 500, SCHD, VIG, QQQM and a few solid dividend stocks like KO, PM, MSFT and HD — and simply watch the dividends grow over time?
To expand that idea into a substantial income stream for individual equity holdings with growing dividends should discuss perhaps yield on cost which over time can be huge. Also over time in absolute terms will have significant dividend streams which are tax qualified. See Waynew. Another approach is periodic selling of parts of portfolio, e.g. spy. I don't favor that but read an analysis of someone running the numbers over long periods of time and even if began in bear markets still outperformed many other approaches.
 
What are the 3 to 5 best run CEFs? Ones that you can buy and forget about them... ie, never trade them...
I usually suggest PTY (or PCN) to see if that spooks them. So baby steps.

One can go from there and stop when markets make you question that type of investment. That might be your risk limit.
 
Why not just accumulate standard ETFs like S&P 500, SCHD, VIG, QQQM and a few solid dividend stocks like KO, PM, MSFT and HD — and simply watch the dividends grow over time?
1.They can but depending on value raises especially when you need the money it is not as dependable or lucrative as monthly or quarterly auto deposited cash with no market timing decisions are.

2. Compounding a position at rates higher then typical 3-5% equity dividend raises (not as predictable either) at CEF’s rates for example builds cash flow way quicker.

3. Now trading to me is gambling. CEF distributions being more predictable seems easier to use then equity trading which is based sort term on what one thinks, news etc. Remember tomorrows market is unknown but next months CEF distributions are largely known.
 
As with any investment, it depends what your goals are. If you need the growth to make your plan work, invest accordingly. If you want cashflow with capital preservation and a bit of growth, my goals, invest accordingly. If my portfolio didn’t earn another dime, my assets would last into another lifetime.
 
That poster is ignored, but I get the gist of the post from responses.

This thread is, and is titled, Income Investing. There are plenty of others that center around Buy and Hold.

Flieger
If you’re ignoring me, then don’t indirectly reply to me.
But since you did, here’s something for trading genius to digest:

Bought: 2010–2012. Never touched since.
Profit: $760K on 280k investment + 130k+ in dividends which was spend as income.
Current yield on cost bases: 6.4%


That yield is collection of some of the best US companies.... not on junk you "trade". This is an example how you invest (not trade garbage) and make real money/dividend holding great US companies. :)

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JFR limit orders hit and so am out of the Div Chase this month. Combined with the improvement in my DX exit/entry, I had a net $3,045 gain ($1,215 more than if I had not done the trades, $469 of pure div increase). This net gain could go up or down slightly as I reinvest to some combination of JAAA/JBBB with corresponding net change there. Will do this over the next week to get back in prior to Ex-Div for those.

I was hoping to go in and out of EIC and JFR closer to my entry which would have really juiced this months Divs, but an additional $469 will have to do. Whatever is going on with EIC killed this month.
Not going to win the Div Chase every month. 🤷‍♂️

Still on track for $130k+ div's for 2025.

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Flieger
 
If you’re ignoring me, then don’t indirectly reply to me.
But since you did, here’s something for trading genius to digest:

Bought: 2010–2012. Never touched since.
Profit: $760K on 280k investment + 130k+ in dividends which was spend as income.
Current yield on cost bases: 6.4%


That yield is collection of some of the best US companies.... not on junk you "trade". This is an example how you invest (not trade garbage) and make real money/dividend holding great US companies.
That's wonderful. Good for you. If I had a time machine, I'd buy that fund or at least most stocks in it in 2011 IF IF IF I could tolerate equity price risk in return for growth. But having already done a trade like that before retirement, I required income without accepting equity price risk. So I STARTED my income stream at about 8% rather than waiting 14 years for 6.4%, DIDN'T sit like a bump on a log through Fed tightening cycles, and now have a far larger portfolio that yields about 12.2% on cost (which is pretty close to market value because I always look for opportunities to take unrealized gains and invest them to grow income). Vanguard appears to have done a good job for you growing your wealth. Hopefully THAT rather than income was your goal.
 
That yield is collection of some of the best US companies.... not on junk you "trade". This is an example how you invest (not trade garbage) and make real money/dividend holding great US companies. :)
Congrats - I too was a buy and hold investor for all of my career, mainly SPY and whatever equity funds my 401K admin. allowed. But, I realized with CEF's and other strong dividend stocks and REIT's that my income in retirement would be much better than the 4% WR that is always the "norm". I certainly don't consider PTY , PAXS, ADX, etc. "junk" . ADX I believe is the second oldest CEF in the country, 1929, and predates mutual funds and ETF's. So, while there are many ways to invest and withdraw in retirement you have chosen one pathway and some of us have chosen another. It doesn't make you right , it doesn't make you wrong. We just chose different avenues.
 
That's wonderful. Good for you. If I had a time machine, I'd buy that fund or at least most stocks in it in 2011 IF IF IF I could tolerate equity price risk in return for growth. But having already done a trade like that before retirement, I required income without accepting equity price risk. So I STARTED my income stream at about 8% rather than waiting 14 years for 6.4%, DIDN'T sit like a bump on a log through Fed tightening cycles, and now have a far larger portfolio that yields about 12.2% on cost (which is pretty close to market value because I always look for opportunities to take unrealized gains and invest them to grow income). Vanguard appears to have done a good job for you growing your wealth. Hopefully THAT rather than income was your goal.
My total dividend yield is currently about $18,000 a month. What’s great about it is that I don’t chase yield (I certainly don't chase garbage ETFs) —40% of my portfolio is actually in tech companies with very little yield.
 
JFR limit orders hit and so am out of the Div Chase this month. Combined with the improvement in my DX exit/entry, I had a net $3,045 gain ($1,215 more than if I had not done the trades, $469 of pure div increase). This net gain could go up or down slightly as I reinvest to some combination of JAAA/JBBB with corresponding net change there. Will do this over the next week to get back in prior to Ex-Div for those.

I was hoping to go in and out of EIC and JFR closer to my entry which would have really juiced this months Divs, but an additional $469 will have to do. Whatever is going on with EIC killed this month.
Not going to win the Div Chase every month. 🤷‍♂️

Still on track for $130k+ div's for 2025.

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Flieger
No crit, but let me suggest something. Consider adopting a different "chasing" program ASSESSMENT APPROACH before becoming disappointed. I now know my distribution income earned in July. The basic stuff I started with threw off 24.6k. Swapping with an eye to later post-7/11 ex-date opportunities --- and executing on some but not all ---- I added another 3.8k for sure before a more complex AGNC buy-write that will throw off at least 3k. So instead of 24.6k, the PORTFOLIO is throwing off at least 31.4k. I still hold some/some % of assets picked up on swap and have not "reestablished" my month starting position ---- because THAT'S not my objective. But income growth is ---- and BEFORE receiving the distribution income coming soon, my PORTFOLIO is up 2.4% in the past month. Some ex-date swaps were "losers" and some were "winners " but I pay no attention to those details ---- just PORTFOLIO value and PORTFOLIO income. FWIW.....just a different focus.....
Regards, Dick
 
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