Kids Causing Retirement Crisis?

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I was just riding on an elevator at w#@k, one that has a small video screen flashing the day’s headlines and stock quotes.One headline posed the question of whether kids are causing a retirement crisis. It was followed by a statement that said that married couples without kids have about 10% more wealth that married couples with kids.I just kind of nodded my head (duh!), and wondered how much they spent coming to the conclusion that having kids leads to less wealth. I was a bit surprised at the 10% number, though. Based on my experience, that number should be a lot higher.
 
I keep detailed records of my expenses, and I have 5 kids at home right now ages 15-28. The 28 y.o. is here temporarily. YTD 2015 my kids have a direct cost impact of 31% of my total expenses! That doesn't count indirect costs of 5 kids, such as bigger house, bigger van/car, MORE GROCERIES, bigger bills eating out, bigger rentals on vacation, etc., etc. I would say the total effect is 6-10% per kid.
 
I keep detailed records of my expenses, and I have 5 kids at home right now ages 15-28. The 28 y.o. is here temporarily. YTD 2015 my kids have a direct cost impact of 31% of my total expenses! That doesn't count indirect costs of 5 kids, such as bigger house, bigger van/car, MORE GROCERIES, bigger bills eating out, bigger rentals on vacation, etc., etc. I would say the total effect is 6-10% per kid.


Five children is alot for any family. I got a giggle from your online name.
 
Since some of those kids are making the stuff that I want to use, even though I'm no longer doing any "economic" work, I'm glad that somebody decided to have kids.
 
I suspect that for equal income couples, one with & one w/o kids, that the ones with don't have as much discretionary spending that keeps their net worth/wealth higher than we might expect. Fewer less extravagant vacations would be a start.
 
My college-age son is home for the summer. We keep no food in the house that he likes, hence he uses his paycheck to go buy food. We also keep the car gas tank empty, so he uses his paycheck to fill it up.

When he was younger, he learned to eat at his friends house.

Or one can do this: Tell him that he can invite his friends over to watch TV, but with no food in the house, the smart phones come out and food starts appearing at the front door. There is always enough for the the parents to eat, too.

There are some expenses, but mostly paid to a college.

Bottom line: Turn your kids into an asset and not a liability.
 
latex man - my hometown is Rockingham, NC. You probably know where that is! ;)

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But think of all the long-term-care costs you will save, what with the children taking care of your old and feeble selves-
 
But think of all the long-term-care costs you will save, what with the children taking care of your old and feeble selves-

I've been watching my daughter take care of her old cat. I really don't want her taking care of me someday.
 
I'm surprised at the low number too. If we had banked the cost of the kids we would certainly be flying first class today. But I don't see any crisis.
 
Perhaps it is strange that my first thought was NOT how much it takes to birth, house, feed, clothe, school, etc. etc. kids from birth to 18 (or 22?). Rather I thought of kid's impact on SOME parents after kids would (otherwise) supposedly be GONE. IOW the effect of adult(?) kids when mom and dad DO actually reach the time to retire.

I know so many couples who have either NOT retired because of the needs of their adult children (including "needs" of the grand kids) or have retired and then been virtually bankrupted by the "needs" of their kids.

Just among our close friends: One couple sent their adult son to 1) welding school 2) two different undergraduate programs 3) graduate program 4) certification training for physical therapy. The kid was married with two children and in his early 30s before he EVER took a job beyond mowing lawns, etc. The couple eventually retired as virtual paupers. Don't know what happened to the kid as we have lost track of our friends. We could no longer spend evenings with them, listening to their continuing tales of woe. They never listened to our advice but they did ask us for money (a good way to kill a friendship.)

A current friend who w*rked with me at Megacorp retired very early (age 50) with a "package" which I was not eligible for at the time. That was 22 years ago. He is still bailing out (literally) his dope smoking son. He supplies son with cars so he can get to w*rk to meet the requirements of his release. Son recently got a DUI and had a firearm in the vehicle - and then resisted arrest. To save his son from a year in jail, friend paid for ankle bracelet/monitoring system and AGAIN got him a car so he could find a new job. Friend can barely feed himself and wife and keep his own car and house going. Friend's wife spends hundreds of dollars per year purchasing "gifts" for their daughter who is a professional with good salary. These folks have ruined their retirement because of the perceived "responsibility" toward their kids.

Another couple just retired at 62. At the end of the month, they eat whatever is left in the pantry (tuna helper, mac and cheese, canned foods, etc.). Their two daughters (about 30 and 35) consume most of the "spare" money and almost all of their time. The 35 yo is a professional, but "expects" mom and dad to drive 60 miles, one way, to baby sit so she and hubby can go out. 30 year old, still recovering from a destructive divorce expects mom and dad to keep her horse boarded and supply her with a farm truck and a car so that she can work her medial job but still ride her horse. The couple HAD to purchase a 5th wheel camper (and a big truck) so that the extended family could take vacations together or just go camp at the lake most week ends.

I could go on, but, full disclosure, we have provided each of our kids with either a house down-payment gift or business-starting gift in the range of $10K to $20K. The difference is that the gifts were in our plan and they do not materially affect our retirement. It's true that we don't (yet) fly first class and our gifts certainly could have made that possible. But, in truth, we could still fly first class but choose not to. Additionally, we give each kid at least $1k per year toward their Roth IRAs. ALSO in the FIRE plan.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled discussion of those who have delayed retirement due to the costs of actually raising kids from birth to "adulthood." YMMV
 
This thread reminds me of a bumper sticker;
I love my ungrateful, rotten children.
 
My college-age son is home for the summer. We keep no food in the house that he likes, hence he uses his paycheck to go buy food. We also keep the car gas tank empty, so he uses his paycheck to fill it up.



When he was younger, he learned to eat at his friends house.



Or one can do this: Tell him that he can invite his friends over to watch TV, but with no food in the house, the smart phones come out and food starts appearing at the front door. There is always enough for the the parents to eat, too.



There are some expenses, but mostly paid to a college.



Bottom line: Turn your kids into an asset and not a liability.

This clever and hilarious!
 
Sure kids cost money.... but it does not mean that a family cannot save...

It is still the spending that is the problem... people spend how they wish to spend... either on themselves or their kids... OR they save...
 
Perhaps it is strange that my first thought was NOT how much it takes to birth, house, feed, clothe, school, etc. etc. kids from birth to 18 (or 22?). Rather I thought of kid's impact on SOME parents after kids would (otherwise) supposedly be GONE. IOW the effect of adult(?) kids when mom and dad DO actually reach the time to retire.

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Doesn't seem strange to me. It's exactly where my mind went. The examples later in your post mirror the situations of my brother and my sister with their kids right now. My ex-boss says her daughter is her Lexus.

Never had kids and never wanted them. If after 18, or 22, or even later years of "investment" the kid started to give me grief I'm afraid I'd just drown them or something.
 
DW and I have no kids. We met and married a little later in life (40's) and did not have kids. There were a few years where we had a hard time with that decision, but then the last couple of years we have embraced the situation and are enjoying the financial freedom that come with no children. Now it's just a case of what charity we set up our trusts for when we go...
 
You can't really blame the kids in these weird cases you have cited...well, you can, but they share the blame with their silly parents. The old folks must get some kind of kick out of being martyrs.

OTOH, friends of ours have a profoundly autistic son who will need care long after they are gone...so to ensure the estate is big enough, the father is still working at nearly 70 years of age.

Amethyst

Perhaps it is strange that my first thought was NOT how much it takes to birth, house, feed, clothe, school, etc. etc. kids from birth to 18 (or 22?). Rather I thought of kid's impact on SOME parents after kids would (otherwise) supposedly be GONE. IOW the effect of adult(?) kids when mom and dad DO actually reach the time to retire.

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... we have provided each of our kids with either a house down-payment gift or business-starting gift in the range of $10K to $20K...

... It's true that we don't (yet) fly first class and our gifts certainly could have made that possible. But, in truth, we could still fly first class but choose not to...

Besides paying for my children college costs, thus allowing them to start work with no debts, I also gave my daughter the 20% down payment on her starter home. And to treat both children the same, I am giving my son the same money. And I am paying for a large part of my daughter's upcoming wedding.

I do not fly 1st class either. Would not having children allow me to? I am not sure. Right now, if I fly 1st class, I might need to cut back on other discretionary expenses. I have thought that I need a portfolio of $5M before I can splurge on 1st class without wincing, being as frugal as I am. Would I be at that level without the cost of raising my children? I don't think so.
 
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My experience is different. When I was single without kids, I spent everything I earned. When I married and had kids, I developed a sense of responsibility. I looked at their cute faces and realized that I had to save money, have life insurance, save for their education, and save for my own retirement. They are the reason that I got my act together.
 
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