Latest Inflation Numbers and Discussion

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I've heard there is already progress with the countries involved. We hear lots of stuff.
Yeah, well we can only hope they don't get implemented, even on a short term basis, because once prices go up, they don't so easily come back down.

Also, I don't think there's been any progress with China, so the new tariffs are still in place (to take effect Tuesday.)
 
Yeah, well we can only hope they don't get implemented, even on a short term basis, because once prices go up, they don't so easily come back down.

Also, I don't think there's been any progress with China, so the new tariffs are still in place (to take effect Tuesday.)
I quit buying McDs because they were too expensive - nothing to do with tariffs. They've been lowering their prices here of late (not that I'm going back). My point is that, yes, there can be some quick profits made by "greedy" businesses, but people adjust. They go someplace else or they quit buying. I can live without Avocados and I can live without McDs and I now go to a restaurant maybe once a month instead of almost once a day. I understand that one Ko'olau not buying won't make much difference but a lot of honked-off consumers have been shown to change business behavior.

In short, I'm just not too concerned about the whole tariff thing. It might turn out to be a big deal, but it might just turn out to be a long-term good thing for this country. The fact that its immediate effect is unpleasant (like having a cancer removed - don't ask me how I know) doesn't always mean that it was a bad idea. Ask again, or IOW let's revisit this - in a year and see what we all think. I'm one of our resident pessimists but I'm actually hopeful about the long term on this one. Call me a Pollyanna and I won't even flinch because YMMV.
 
If we weren't stupidly engaging in tariff wars, no one would need assistance.
Clearly, we haven't "won" the tariff war, but we've won the first skirmish. I guess we'll see how it all turns out. Stay tuned.
 
I quit buying McDs because they were too expensive - nothing to do with tariffs. They've been lowering their prices here of late (not that I'm going back).
Man, the McD deals have been getting worse here:

But like you, I've also cut back with these higher prices.
 
Man, the McD deals have been getting worse here:

But like you, I've also cut back with these higher prices.
I haven't been keeping close track on McD but have seen several ads for the lower prices. It may only be local (in the Islands) as we have much higher prices than the mainland and there is more room to cut. I'm still not buying. I'm pretty much done with them - and most fast food.
 
It's a market. If enough people won't pay my price to buy from me, then I'll have to reduce it in order to sell my goods. The incentive of all sellers is to charge the highest price the market will bear and the incentive for all buyers is pay as little as they can to get what they want. I'm a business, not a charity.
Exactly!

But the part I bolded bears closer examination. The BTD crowd throws it out of balance. I know people who seem to want to always pay more. People who need to impress others with their conspicuous consumption. I live in a HCOL area where this is common. It's this sort of thing which makes the sellers (justifiably) shrug and go along with it, raising prices knowing the knucklehead buyers will go along with it.

We, as buyers, vote with our wallets. We'd be much better off if we all worked together to keep some pricing pressure on sellers. Yeah, I can afford to pay more. But I try to avoid doing so, on principle.
 
So they raised prices even before the tariff's went in to affect... This seems to be the norm.

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Of course, that is how markets work. Consider gasoline, which is one of the most efficient markets. If you see the price of oil go up you raise your price. If you sell your current inventory at the previous lower price you will not have enough money to pay the tanker truck that shows up with the next load at the higher price. You raise the price now so you do not have to borrow money to pay for your next shipment. Most things are not so transparent, "sticky" pricing, etc. but the basic concept is fundamental if you wish to stay in business.
 
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Well "just raising prices" is not like post COVID. Now after those hikes there is significant resistance to higher prices. Consumers are not ok with this.
Of course it is. If your competitors cost goes from $4 to $5 due to a 25% tariff you have 2 choices. Take market share or raise your price. If you have excess capacity you may choose to make more, but most will raise prices to capture the rent created by the tariff. Which is more likely if you are a CEO - 1. invest millions/billions of dollars in a production line where you know that you are not low cost based on a temporary tariff that may or may not continue or 2. Press a button in the computer and raise your prices 18% to make a lot more money and still be better positioned against your competition. US executives have been trained for 40 years to take the better short term result.
 
It's a market. If enough people won't pay my price to buy from me, then I'll have to reduce it in order to sell my goods. The incentive of all sellers is to charge the highest price the market will bear and the incentive for all buyers is pay as little as they can to get what they want. I'm a business, not a charity.
This is exactly what I remind my friends when they say "xyz item can't cost this much to make". We have a supply and demand based pricing (which is what we call market). Seller's goal is to maximize his overall profit, not what is fair, just, moral, etc. Nothing personal, it is just business. By the same token, you can't blame a buyer for their actions e.g. negotiate, use coupons/sale, buy less, not buy, buy alternative item, make their own, etc.
 
If we weren't stupidly engaging in tariff wars, no one would need assistance. Most economists have agreed about the theory of comparative advantage since the days of David Ricardo in the early 19th Century - that everyone in the world benefits when each country produces what it can best produce for the lowest price and then sells to other countries, and vice versa. Autarky - a completely self sufficient society that does not need to trade with other countries for anything - has never been achieved, and I suspect it never will. Tariffs raise prices and reduce output for everyone.
Tariffs are better than unilateral free market policies. They are a tool, means to an end. Calling their use stupid seems like a rather broad brush.
 
Of course it is. If your competitors cost goes from $4 to $5 due to a 25% tariff you have 2 choices. Take market share or raise your price. If you have excess capacity you may choose to make more, but most will raise prices to capture the rent created by the tariff. Which is more likely if you are a CEO - 1. invest millions/billions of dollars in a production line where you know that you are not low cost based on a temporary tariff that may or may not continue or 2. Press a button in the computer and raise your prices 18% to make a lot more money and still be better positioned against your competition. US executives have been trained for 40 years to take the better short term result.
Some companies opportunistically raised prices post Covid, because the environment gave them "cover". I do not think that is going to fly now because people are unwilling to accept higher prices "just because".
 
Some companies opportunistically raised prices post Covid, because the environment gave them "cover". I do not think that is going to fly now because people are unwilling to accept higher prices "just because".
I think that is right. Exceptions might include absolute necessities like a particular life saving drug or a car part that renders your "dead" car drivable again. I actually shopped for a car battery this last time. I'd never done that before. I used to go to my usual auto store and tell them to put in a battery because the old one was dying. That's when batteries were $100 or less. Last battery was gonna be $250 and I got virtually the same one for $175 by shopping. Still ridiculous price but I saved a lot by shopping AND my car was then reliable instead of iffy. IOW paying a ridiculous price was worth it for the benefit.

Example of something I won't buy anymore: A candy bar at a check out. Used to be $0.75. Now more like $2. No way - not ever again. I'm done with it. Same with McD unless they have some truly huge sale on something I actually like. I think they call it price resistance. Well, I'm now a price resister. :mad:
 
Man, the McD deals have been getting worse here:

But like you, I've also cut back with these higher prices.
I only buy the $5 deal from McD. Double cheeseburger, 4 piece nuggets, small fries and a small soda.
 
Waffle house now has a 50 cent surcharge on menu items with eggs.
 
I only buy the $5 deal from McD. Double cheeseburger, 4 piece nuggets, small fries and a small soda.
I used to get that when you could apply the 25% app deal to get the $5 meal for $3.75. But they raised the minimum purchase to $6 in early November, so that was the end of that for me. Examples of current inflation - add yours! Then they raised the minimum purchase to $10 for just 20% off near the beginning of the year.
Waffle house now has a 50 cent surcharge on menu items with eggs.
That seems to be all over the news. I saw them talking to Waffle House customers on the news last night and saw that news story at least a couple times times online.
 
I used to get that when you could apply the 25% app deal to get the $5 meal for $3.75. But they raised the minimum purchase to $6 in early November, so that was the end of that for me. Examples of current inflation - add yours! Then they raised the minimum purchase to $10 for just 20% off near the beginning of the year.

That seems to be all over the news. I saw them talking to Waffle House customers on the news last night and saw that news story at least a couple times times online.
Kind of funny looking back that the high price of eggs was one of the big complaints.
 
Hey FYI there are other threads to talk about in individual examples of inflation. This thread is about the reported inflation numbers, their drivers and discussion of them.
 
And political in my opinion. I expect more from a mod on this site.
Politics has nothing to do with it; tariffs are economically harmful to everyone, which is exactly what my post said. Ergo, they are stupid. You may want that to be political, but it is not.
 
Politics has nothing to do with it; tariffs are economically harmful to everyone, which is exactly what my post said. Ergo, they are stupid. You may want that to be political, but it is not.
I agree with Gumby. Tariffs become political when they are aimed at a specific country, as opposed to being applied to specific products from specific countries. I'm not referring to the usual political party divisions and messaging within the U.S., but rather global politics.

For example, the tariffs on certain Chinese goods such as steel, aluminum, graphite, lithium batteries and semiconductors were significantly increased in 2024 to counter unfair trading practices. This can hardly be viewed as "political" in terms of internal U.S. politics. But tariffs applied across the board to all goods from our best trading partners will be seen as an unfriendly move politically, and will result negative consequences, such as retaliatory tariffs and those countries turning elsewhere for trade, hurting our economy. And the U.S. has become quite dependent on goods from other countries, so prices will be driven up whether we like it or not. Think of auto parts, lumber, and various food items.

Tariffs tend to be significantly harmful to trade and to the economy. The Smoot-Hartley Act of 1930 significantly worsened the Great Depression and reduced global trade by 65%. Tariffs raise the price to businesses that use imported goods of any kind. These price increases are passed onto the consumer. Consumers will buy less, which then hurts businesses further. Then people get laid off. If the government wants to reduce the national debt, increasing unemployment and reducing business income obviously won't work. Increasing the price of most goods by 25% is basically a national sales tax, but it will depress income tax revenue, which is where most of the federal government funding comes from. It will also depress FICA and Medicare tax revenue as well. It will also increase unemployment payouts and dependence on programs such as Medicaid and SNAP benefits, which will add to the deficit.

Last, if the administration decides to impose tariffs, it should not ignore the global political and economic consequences of these tariffs. Tariffs both cause inflation and suppress economic development. It's not clear that they will help reduce the deficit.
 
We have had 25% tariffs on trucks for many years.

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A prohibitive 25% tariff on imported trucks continues to restrict competition in the domestic market, inflating prices and leaving supply chains even more vulnerable to disruption.

Contributing to the shortages and lack of affordability is a 25% tariff on pickup trucks that dates back to a trade dispute with Europe in the 1960s. When the European Economic Community raised tariffs on imported chicken from the U.S., President Lyndon Johnson retaliated with a 25% “chicken tax” on imported trucks and other items. The tariff was originally aimed at vehicles made by Volkswagen in West Germany, but even though the original issue over chickens has been resolved, and Germany no longer makes light trucks for the U.S. market, the tariff remains in place out of political inertia.
 
I only buy the $5 deal from McD. Double cheeseburger, 4 piece nuggets, small fries and a small soda.
For years when I first went to McDs I could buy two burgers, fries and a Coke for (wait for it) 50 cents.

I guess now it's (MAYBE) change back from your $20??

 
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