Looking down the road…

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So it seems that most budgeting and financial planning is based on a static view of our lives. Things won’t change much or if they do they are small changes…

Have recently been thinking about our lives, 5, 10, 20 even 25 years from now which is about as long as we both could possibly live. How would our lives change? How would our needs change? What kind of life will we want?

For example; we are pet people.. Always had dogs and cats and hence chose to live in single family homes with a yard. To travel there is the hassle of arranging care and pet sitters, for budget there are vet bills, food bills, additional cleaning costs etc. Recently lost one of our dogs at 18 years old but we will not get another and determined to fight the urge to rescue anymore. So wife and I got to discussing life after pets. Agreed we could move to one of the new luxury high rises going up with all the amenities….What does that mean to our cost of living? No gym fees as that is included. Less housekeeper services. Lower utility costs, Lower house maintenance costs, Less driving as more in the center than our suburban home and I am sure a dozen other things. Could we lose out 2nd car? Conservatively I think it would save $20k of misc expenses. I know we would entertain much less and those Asados for 15-20 with $500 of meat and wine would end!

Would we relocate? We live mostly in South America but keep our home in the US, and while it basically carries itself it is still a major investment. At some point will we get rid of our 2nd home? How would that impact our lives? Our expenses? Our CFP never considers these questions and not particularly helpful in the what if financial analysis of what this will mean to us..

Of course these are first world issues and we are fortunate to be in a position to have to even worry about them but I was wondering what others here who are well off have thought about when it comes to their future lives? At least beyond the move to a CCRC Community at some point?
 
Retired, interesting post. You certainly are being thoughtful of what life will be like during your near and long term future.

Some of us don’t see as drastic changes to our lives before/ after retirement that might impact our financial considerations. My situation, living in the same area we raised our family who still live nearby, we consider our selves fortunate and not many major changes anticipated.

As an advocate of “Die With Zero” we keep our spending and gifting/ sharing with our kids and grandkids at a level to enjoy life while we have our health and know that we “can afford it”.

Best of luck (and good health) to you.
 
A couple of items you mentioned, we've either done or test drove. When living in Mexico, we were perfectly happy with 1 car (& a bike) and it saved a lot & didn't require an additional parking spot. When returning to California, we were fine too. You get used to it.

We lost our pet last year and decided to foster on occasion as the "system" pays for board if we go on vacation. We've only done 1 for ~1 month & are fine with that. We travel a lot so it's better for now.

We are discussing more about locking up the house and doing 3-6 months travel in the future but will likely keep it as it's easy to lock up & low maintenance. Another possibility is renting if we decide to move more permanently.

We'll likely reduce our cleaning service eventually and save ~$5k annually. Everything else is small potatoes and won't move the needle.

We already live near the DD (1 street away) so that's covered for now. Lots can happen in the next 20-30 years though.
 
Choices certainly drive the complexity of life.

In January we're donating the 2nd car.

Need will be the focus of larger future decisions.
 
I'm 82, with a new girlfriend and a dog, and I am living in an apartment (house hassles gone, equity reinvested). I also exercise a LOT, eat right, play golf, have many friends, drive my car 18,000 miles per year, take trips, just living life as best as I can. Period. My health is great for my age, and I only take 3 common meds.

Don't overthink this aging process, but take it a day at a time.
 
I went through a similar exercise ~15 years ago... It's worked out pretty well, or about as expected... Now I'm looking at ~10 more years which in many ways makes it a lot easier. I try not to over think whats coming now, I'm just along for the ride.
 
Interesting thread and a lot to contemplate on. Aging is a huge factor looking down the road in everything.
I sometime think I am doing things like I'm in my 30's and tell myself I need to act more like a almost 70 year old. What are people going to say about me playing like a kid and doing activities that most older people my age wouldn't do but could. They are acting their age and I'm not.

I guess wanting to be a kid at an old age is a good thing any way for me it is. Keep doing what works for me and as long as I can.
 
At 70 years old, down the road planning is something I’ve thought a lot about the past few years. I was thinking about downsizing, moving to a town, getting rid of my truck and or jeep, selling my toys and tools, hiring out all maintenance work, and just sit back and relax.

Then I came to my senses. Decided that I’m not giving up my current lifestyle for the foreseeable future. I’m going to keep doing what I’ve been doing for as long as I’m physically able. And I’m going to take on more pastimes that may not be normal for people my age.

I can relax later when I can no longer do what I enjoy now.
 
Gumby and Ronstar I like your thinking! My toys even though they are focused for the younger generation doesn't mean they have to be.

That is one more reason why I'm so glad I ERed when I did at 58. I could sell the toys and down size and put that money in the bank and it would mean and do nothing for me. I have thought about all those same things but WHY... I can afford them so I am going to carry on and enjoy because I can.
 
Interesting thread and a lot to contemplate on. Aging is a huge factor looking down the road in everything.
I sometime think I am doing things like I'm in my 30's and tell myself I need to act more like a almost 70 year old. What are people going to say about me playing like a kid and doing activities that most older people my age wouldn't do but could. They are acting their age and I'm not.

I guess wanting to be a kid at an old age is a good thing any way for me it is. Keep doing what works for me and as long as I can.
Street, don't worry about what other people think about what you are doing at your age. ;)
 
Our working lives were punctuated by change. I I ended up in the IT industry for 34 years after switching from an accounting career. I loved it. My spouse was in health care...loads of change. We had multiple relocations. The first thing we did when we retired at 59/59 was to sell our home, downsize into a storage container, and travel for a year. Along with a substantial change in lifestyle.

We have never lived our lives based on what we believe other people may think. I believe this as been one reason for our career and our financial success. And why we came to enjoy experiences more than things.

Leaving next month for a 7-8 week snowbird trip to Thailand/Malaysia. The only firm plans are our air reservations there and back. Everything else will be spontaneous with no firm plans other to extend our stay in places we enjoy and move on from those we do not.

We are in our seventies and running out of time. We both have reasonably good health so we want to get on with doing the things we always wanted to do, go to , or return to the places we have loved in the past. Good health is fleeting so if we do not do it we will be in the unfortunate position one day of looking back with regret for not doing what we wanted to do when we had the good health, the inclination, and the ability to do it.

I believe that the trick is to do exactly what you want in retirement including your lifestyle or where/how you live.

It does not matter what 'it' is or what others may think of you or your plans. Just make the very best of your retirement years that you possibly can.
 
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I'm 82, with a new girlfriend and a dog, and I am living in an apartment (house hassles gone, equity reinvested). I also exercise a LOT, eat right, play golf, have many friends, drive my car 18,000 miles per year, take trips, just living life as best as I can. Period. My health is great for my age, and I only take 3 common meds.

Don't overthink this aging process, but take it a day at a time.
Not to hijack, but this made me smile.
 
To the OP, and anyone else for that matter, 7 or 8 years ago, during an annual sales and progression planning process, goal setting...that sort of thing, I wrote out 3, 5 and 10 visions of where I'd be at given that age and state of life. 10 years from then made me contemplate my age (early 60's) and on a personal level, potentially having a grandkid or kid's. It was sobering, but also a quick realization that things do and will change, and while we plan today we don't know what the future will bring, but it's good to have some benchmarks and targets.

"Men make plans and God laughs."
 
My husband is 77 yo and I am in my 60s. We have not done international travel since COVID when we had 5 cruises booked, including a Transpacific, that we cancelled. Golf bug bit me and I could not imagine being on a ship and not golf after 3 days. We have booked a golf cruise in Europe in Sep 2027 and we will spend 2 weeks immediately before the cruise to golf in Scotland. I have a Scottish friend who will arrange our golf rounds in Scotland, both atthe iconic ones and private clubs. He will be 79 then and we think it may be our last big international trip for him.

My husband is still very healthy but he seems to catch colds even when we are not in confined places. For instance, we went to S. Ca last summer and we drove there and he caught a cold. Last week we drove to Ca coast again for Christmas and he caught a cold again. He is still recovering from his cold and we are in Palm Springs Ca area for a month. We will still make our summer and winter trips to California every year until we feel that we should stay put. We do intend to make a couple more big golf trips in the US, to Pebble Beach and Pinehurst over the next few years.

Personally, if my husband passes away before I do, I will probably spend 5 months in California to be with my son during the summer while I continue to keep my primary residence so that I could Roth convert most of the IRA out before making a permanent move back to Ca. We had paid our share of Ca taxes when we were working and not thrilled to pay anymore than we have to. I don't have a crystal ball as to how long we all will live and at what health we will have.
 
I'm more concerned with how many good years than total years left. Trying to make our lifestyle healthier (which means losing about 20 pounds) to be more active. I really want to dance with my first granddaughter at her wedding. She'll be 18 this summer so has a few more years to go. When she was a toddler we'd play dance often.
 
Before FIRE, I somewhat over looked the greed of city, county, state and federal. Different insurances, fleecing in general.
While I've been able to open the billfold for making life easier and enjoyment expenses for ourselves.
I'm in no way willing to just keep throwing $ at horrific incompetence.
Looking down the road, looks like a challenge to keep every penny...err nickel from those entities mentioned above!!
 
When I divorced five years ago at 66 initially I considered keeping the house. But after some thought, I realize that I wanted to live in a condo in a secure building for many reasons. I wanted to feel safe and I didn’t want to worry about any maintenance.

Since I’ll never be without a dog, luckily my big dog had passed away and I only had two small dogs. I have them pad trained so I don’t have to worry about taking them outside to go potty. Luckily I absolutely love my Condo and don’t miss the house at all. I think everyone has to just think it through and make the decisions that work best for them.
 
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