Medicare Savings Programs (MSPs), get free Medicare for 5 years, no Parts or Medigaps (some states only)!

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CMS recently issued a rule change

MSPs (QMB, QI, SLMB) are paid for by Medicaid, they pay for Medicare out of pockets like Part B or co-pays. In the past there was a requirement that before you could qualify you had to pursue all available sources of income and this would make most people ineligible once Social Security was added in to their income. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has eliminated the requirement to apply for other benefits as a condition of Medicaid eligibility under 42 CFR § 435.608. Under this requirement, Medicaid applicants and recipients have been required, as a condition of their eligibility, to take all necessary actions to obtain other benefits to which they are entitled. Such benefits include, but are not limited to, annuities, pensions, retirement and disability benefits such as Veterans’ compensation and pensions, Social Security Retirement, Survivors, and Disability Insurance, Railroad Retirement benefits and unemployment benefits.

But don't MSPs have resource limits?

Not all states have resource limits. Alabama, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, and the District of Columbia do not have asset limits for MSPs (as of January 2026).

The plan is to delay Social Security to age 70 and keep income low enough. This means 5 years of Medicare costs become $0. And it is original Medicare, not Medicare Advantage. In my state QMB eligibility is set to 138% FPL (QMB basically pays for all Medicare out of pockets). QI (pays for Part B) is set to 186% FPL. CT has high QMB limits, $ 2,752.00 single. $ 3,719.00 couple.

MSPs also get you Extra Help Part D Low Income Supplement. This covers most of your Part D costs.

MSPs do not come under Estate Recovery rules for Medicaid, even though Medicaid pays for them.
 
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I read a little on this. If I understood correctly, it appears that if a person is on Medicare and Medicaid, commonly called Medi-Medi, then being on a Medigap plan too might or might not be allowed depending on certain factors, and if trying to get on Medigap later upon not being eligible for Medicaid anymore, then one might or might not be allowed a guaranteed issue Medigap enrollment without underwriting. It would seem worthwhile to carefully check into these issues ahead of time so as to know whether Medigap will be an option later or if one would have to go the Medicare Advantage route?

Another issue might be whether the providers one wants even accept a Medicare/Medicaid combo?
 
I read a little on this. If I understood correctly, it appears that if a person is on Medicare and Medicaid, commonly called Medi-Medi, then being on a Medigap plan too might or might not be allowed depending on certain factors, and if trying to get on Medigap later upon not being eligible for Medicaid anymore, then one might or might not be allowed a guaranteed issue Medigap enrollment without underwriting. It would seem worthwhile to carefully check into these issues ahead of time so as to know whether Medigap will be an option later or if one would have to go the Medicare Advantage route?

Another issue might be whether the providers one wants even accept a Medicare/Medicaid combo?
MSPs are not full Medicaid, they are paid for by Medicaid. If you are on QMB you wouldn't need a Medigap policy because QMB basically pays for the out of pockets with Medicare. It also means Providers can't bill you for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover. QI pays for the Part B cost.
 
MSPs are not full Medicaid, they are paid for by Medicaid. If you are on QMB you wouldn't need a Medigap policy because QMB basically pays for the out of pockets with Medicare. It also means Providers can't bill you for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover. QI pays for the Part B cost.
I do understand, but I was referring to what if a person's income goes up later on to where they don't qualify for MSP, or simply choose to have a Medigap plan later on. From what I read, one might not get guaranteed issue without underwriting. I have also read many times that some providers just simply don't take Medicaid or maybe even Medi-Medi at all. I see where the concept could work for some, but I think it could be good to do careful research for one's own situation.
 
I do understand, but I was referring to what if a person's income goes up later on to where they don't qualify for MSP, or simply choose to have a Medigap plan later on. From what I read, one might not get guaranteed issue without underwriting. I have also read many times that some providers just simply don't take Medicaid or maybe even Medi-Medi at all. I see where the concept could work for some, but I think it could be good to do careful research for one's own situation.
My state has guaranteed issue for the Medicare supplement plans. It is always good to research the specifics for your own situation and state.
 
Most insurance companies require for the applicant to go threw underwriting or health tests if they say initially have an advantage plan at perhaps 65 but then as they age want to switch to the regular Medigap plus supplemental plans. Plus one made a great point that many providers don't accept specific insurance plans. So as another commented one really needs to research for one's own situation,but I also add to be the devil's advocate not just for now but injecting the worse case scenario for the future as one ages.
 
Just because something is available doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the right choice. I can understand using assistance if you truly need it, but programs like Medicaid (Medi-Cal) are intended for people with limited financial resources. If you’re in a position to cover your own expenses, it’s generally more appropriate to do so.
 
Just because something is available doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the right choice. I can understand using assistance if you truly need it, but programs like Medicaid (Medi-Cal) are intended for people with limited financial resources. If you’re in a position to cover your own expenses, it’s generally more appropriate to do so.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
 
Just because something is available doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the right choice. I can understand using assistance if you truly need it, but programs like Medicaid (Medi-Cal) are intended for people with limited financial resources. If you’re in a position to cover your own expenses, it’s generally more appropriate to do so.
Exactly as. unfortunately having to retire early due to a severe head on car crash ,yet working in sales till 55, retiring on social security disability while ever day in physical pain,I witnessed so much fraud in the system. So much graft of people using the system,which unfortunately created a huge hole for ones who really qualified. I let my conscious be my guide and personally choose to work for the 20 plus years after nearly dying years before even though qualified back then for so many free government programs,. I just felt while I was very limited,I was still able to forge ahead (actually excelling in computer sales) while others were less fortunate and worse off than me. So let your conscious be your guide.
 
Just because something is available doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the right choice. I can understand using assistance if you truly need it, but programs like Medicaid (Medi-Cal) are intended for people with limited financial resources. If you’re in a position to cover your own expenses, it’s generally more appropriate to do so.
Ridiculous comments like that are similar to the ones that people make about multi-millionaires getting ACA subsidies. If you qualify for it as the law is written, then it is intended for you, just like billionaires take advantage of tax law to pay less taxes.
 
I witnessed so much fraud in the system. So much graft of people using the system,which unfortunately created a huge hole for ones who really qualified. I let my conscious be my guide
Jim wasn't talking about doing anything fraudulent. That's completely different, of course.

Unfortunately, it doesn't apply in my state, and I wouldn't qualify, anyway.
 
A few more reasons to keep income low being Medicare age...

My county offers 50% off county and school taxes if you are 65+ and have income under $50K phasing out and reducing through $58K.

Income under 200% FPL $31,920 gets a $24 SNAP benefit (no work requirements over age 64, no asset test in my state). SNAP gets you a $45 discount on your electric bill and a worthless cell phone. Also $20 Internet 300/300 if you have SNAP.

Income under 138% FPL $22,025 gets QMB and Part D Extra Help, basically $0 Medicare.
 
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