Moving from non-Medicare health care insurance to Medicare?

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I'm a retiree with health insurance provided by my previous employer (FEHB, fwiw).

In 2025, I'll be Medicare eligible and I'm looking ahead to how that might change what I am used to receiving in terms of services, how much
I pay for them, etc. I am still on the bottom of the learning curve, but I understand my current plan will become secondary once Medicare becomes
my primary plan.....unless I switch providers now in open season and in that case, my new plan will become the secondary.

All that said, here's my question....and I know it varies from person to person, provider to provider *BUT* generally speaking,
what were the biggest changes you noted when you started receiving Medicare coverage, compared to when you had other, non-Medicare coverage?

Thank you in advance for any commentary on this topic.
 
I'm a retiree with health insurance provided by my previous employer (FEHB, fwiw).

In 2025, I'll be Medicare eligible and I'm looking ahead to how that might change what I am used to receiving in terms of services, how much
I pay for them, etc. I am still on the bottom of the learning curve, but I understand my current plan will become secondary once Medicare becomes
my primary plan.....unless I switch providers now in open season and in that case, my new plan will become the secondary.

All that said, here's my question....and I know it varies from person to person, provider to provider *BUT* generally speaking,
what were the biggest changes you noted when you started receiving Medicare coverage, compared to when you had other, non-Medicare coverage?

Thank you in advance for any commentary on this topic.
There aren't a lot of FEHB people here from what I have seen, but I am FEHB + Medicare and have researched this topic for years.

Some additional info would help in answering questions. Which FEHB plan are you in now? Self only or self+one? Are there still children 26 or younger needing to be covered? Is your spouse also 65 yet? Which plans are you interested in? Are you subject to IRMAA? Do you plan to travel outside the USA much? Are you interested in FEHB Medicare Advantage plans?

This is a broad topic and should be tailored to fit each situation.

We have been on FEHB and Medicare A and B for years and I can tell you it works together great if the correct plan is chosen.

If you are willing to answer those questions we can steer this in the right direction.
 
Wow. Interesting, thanks.
I am currently with GEHA, HDHP, self only, no spouse. One adult child in her 30s, on her own insurance.
I don't know enough about Medicare or Medicare Advantage to know which plans I am interested in.....I am new to all of this. I estimate I will be subject to IRMAA. I do travel outside the USA quite a bit already.
Glad to hear that it can all work out well?
 
I am struggling with this also. I am covered by FEHB via DWs employment. She is stIll working so I only have Medicare A so far. I was SHOCKED to learn that FEHB becomes secondary when you go on Medicare BUT THE PREMIUMS ARE THE SAME. Many folks go to a cheaper plan but it seems that we will be paying a lot more with the Medicare premiums, esp if IRMMA kicks in. I know a family member that switched to GEHA + Medicare and seems to be satisfied. Apparently FEHB can fully replace all the Medicare Supplement Plans that many folks use. My brother used GEHA while working and has continued in retirement and NEVER SIGNED UP FOR MEDICARE. He said he got so frustrated trying to understand all the ins and outs of Medicare that he just skipped it. He recently had a few medical issues including heart surgery and has never expressed any regrets.

I can recall a discussion here among FEHB participants that included skipping Medicate so it's not unheard of. When DW retires we will probably bite the bullet and pay both premiums.
 
wait a minute - are you saying that with Medicare as primary and FEHB as secondary, you would be paying TWO premiums (for both) each month?
 
wait a minute - are you saying that with Medicare as primary and FEHB as secondary, you would be paying TWO premiums (for both) each month?
jazz4cash is correct. There is a FEHB premium and a Part B premium, and the Part B premium is more if subject to IRMAA. That is why many switch to a cheaper FEHB plan and/or don't enroll in Part B at all. FEHB is secondary and pays a smaller amount of the bill by far in most cases. I think many would hold off on Part B if it wasn't for the 10% penalty on the premium added for each 12 months late.
 
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Ok, here's a question based on my ignorance - why keep FEHB ? why not just go with Medicare? my understanding is if you don't take Medicare, there is a significant penalty - why just go with that only:confused:
 
Wow. Interesting, thanks.
I am currently with GEHA, HDHP, self only, no spouse. One adult child in her 30s, on her own insurance.
I don't know enough about Medicare or Medicare Advantage to know which plans I am interested in.....I am new to all of this. I estimate I will be subject to IRMAA. I do travel outside the USA quite a bit already.
Glad to hear that it can all work out well?
Once one is on Medicare, I don't know of an advantage to being on a HDHP plan although I'm guessing there are reasons. Also, one cannot be on Medicare and contribute to an HSA, although some plans offer an HRA, some quite generous, to help reimburse for Part B, etc. One cannot contribute to a HRA (Health Reimbursement Account). An HRA at this time is a tax free amount of money given by some plans, usually around $800-$900 per year for a self only, double that for self+one, which can be rolled over up to a set amount.

GEHA Standard is often mentioned as a secondary with Medicare A and B, and also with Part A only and no Part B. So far it has a lower premium and a nice Skilled Nursing Facility amount of days, which many FEHB plans do not.

If you travel overseas a lot, I think there are some FEHB plans which are better than others so that is worth looking into.

If I were going to drop our Part B, I would choose a plan that had a low deductible, low premium, extra Skilled Nursing days, and especially a lower yearly catastrophic max out of pocket. Then, I would just plan to have to pay that max for each of us every year.

If one has a substantial HSA funded, that can mitigate the risk of no Part B as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I appreciate the info, it's like speaking a whole new language for me...guess I need to find a Medicare for Dummies book.
 
Ok, here's a question based on my ignorance - why keep FEHB ? why not just go with Medicare? my understanding is if you don't take Medicare, there is a significant penalty - why just go with that only:confused:
Medicare A covers a lot, and Part B covers about 80%, BUT, there is no max on that 20%, so if one really had a bad/expensive health issue and treatments, that 20% could possibly bankrupt some, especially over time (as in transplants, dialysis, chemo, etc.). I have never heard of anyone risking with Medicare only, but apparently statistics show there are many.

Since Part A has no premium (for many), many enroll in that for sure, and then go with the FEHB plan and not the Part B. That at least has a yearly max cap, and would be the most I personally would ever risk for us.
 
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I appreciate the info, it's like speaking a whole new language for me...guess I need to find a Medicare for Dummies book.
Truly a new language. But it will make more sense the more questions you ask, and you are asking good ones. That book is often mentioned, but be sure to have the newest edition because some laws/regs/rules have changed.
 
Ok, here's a question based on my ignorance - why keep FEHB ? why not just go with Medicare? my understanding is if you don't take Medicare, there is a significant penalty - why just go with that only:confused:
I'm not an expert on FEHB, but double premiums is very common. Part B is the government plan that pays for professional services like doctor visits and hospital outpatient. The other premium is commonly referred to as gap coverage. It pays the co-pays and deductibles that medicare part B doesn't. In your case, I'd guess that FEHB is providing you with the gap coverage. You want both unless you're willing to pay a boat load of money if you become ill. I'm not sure of the terminology, but the out of pocket (that which Part B doesn't pay) can be significant. My understanding is that some services can cost 20% out of pocket. Again, no expert, but fully understand what you're giving up if you only go with Medicare. There is also Medicare Advantage, but that's a different framework. You should understand that as well in terms of how it applies to you but it's basically a managed care product typically with a restricted network.
 
wait a minute - are you saying that with Medicare as primary and FEHB as secondary, you would be paying TWO premiums (for both) each month?
Yes. And you pay the same FEHB premium even though it is secondary coverage.
 
I have thought a lot about dropping Part B and how that would work. At this point, and this is just my conclusion for my spouse and I and our situation:

Part A with GEHA Standard and its new Part D Rx option which appears a little better to me than the regular plan Rx. I would go with MHBP Standard but it does not as of now offer extra Skilled Nursing Days for those on Medicare. GEHA Std offers a total of 50 (30 after the initial Part A 20 days in full). Up until now I would have preferred NALC High if no Part B, but the premium has increased too much in 2024-2025 for me to be interested in it.
 
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Also, whichever FEHB plan one chooses, I believe it is important to make sure one's providers are in-network and that it covers Rx well. FEHB plans can vary widely in their copays/coinsurance for Rx.
 
If you opt out of FEHB, I wonder if you can opt back in or if there is a penalty. It’s an interesting idea. I’ve only ever heard of folks keeping FEHB with Medicare A and skipping part B.
 
As far as the FEHB Medicare Advantage options which have been offered more and more lately, I have not heard of many FEHB people who have enrolled. My understanding is there seems to be a cautiousness or hesitancy about them, at least in part due to supposed pre-authorizations and provider access concerns. Hopefully time will tell if these are valid concerns or not since the plans as described seem to be quite robust.
 
If you opt out of FEHB, I wonder if you can opt back in or if there is a penalty. It’s an interesting idea. I’ve only ever heard of folks keeping FEHB with Medicare A and skipping part B.
A person can "suspend" FEHB as of now anyway, but if one CANCELS it, they can NEVER get back on FEHB. I believe the reasons to suspend are quite limited.

I believe it would be wise to speak with OPM directly if considering suspending. Losing FEHB would be tragic as far as I'm concerned.
 
I am struggling with this also. I am covered by FEHB via DWs employment. She is stIll working so I only have Medicare A so far. I was SHOCKED to learn that FEHB becomes secondary when you go on Medicare BUT THE PREMIUMS ARE THE SAME. Many folks go to a cheaper plan but it seems that we will be paying a lot more with the Medicare premiums, esp if IRMMA kicks in. I know a family member that switched to GEHA + Medicare and seems to be satisfied. Apparently FEHB can fully replace all the Medicare Supplement Plans that many folks use. My brother used GEHA while working and has continued in retirement and NEVER SIGNED UP FOR MEDICARE. He said he got so frustrated trying to understand all the ins and outs of Medicare that he just skipped it. He recently had a few medical issues including heart surgery and has never expressed any regrets.

I can recall a discussion here among FEHB participants that included skipping Medicate so it's not unheard of. When DW retires we will probably bite the bullet and pay both premiums.
Did your brother not sign up for Part A either?
 
A person can "suspend" FEHB as of now anyway, but if one CANCELS it, they can NEVER get back on FEHB. I believe the reasons to suspend are quite limited.

I believe it would be wise to speak with OPM directly if considering suspending. Losing FEHB would be tragic as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks.
Did your brother not sign up for Part A either?
No Part A either. Pretty sure he did not know it was no premium for A
 
As far as the FEHB Medicare Advantage options which have been offered more and more lately, I have not heard of many FEHB people who have enrolled. My understanding is there seems to be a cautiousness or hesitancy about them, at least in part due to supposed pre-authorizations and provider access concerns. Hopefully time will tell if these are valid concerns or not since the plans as described seem to be quite robust.
The folks I spoke with seemed pretty satisfied with Medicare Primary/FEHB secondary and no Medicare Supplement. You have to choose from dozens of plans and choose one that functions well as a medicare supplement. Medicare Advantage would be a 3rd premium
 
You might benefit from going through a broker and asking these questions. I don't have a suggestion on a broker, but others here might have a suggestion.
 
The folks I spoke with seemed pretty satisfied with Medicare Primary/FEHB secondary and no Medicare Supplement. You have to choose from dozens of plans and choose one that functions well as a medicare supplement. Medicare Advantage would be a 3rd premium
Actually, FEHB has FEHB plans which have a Medicare Advantage option built in--there is no additional premium, so although one must be enrolled in Medicare A and B, AND still be enrolled in the FEHB regular plan with its premium, the Medicare Advantage option then "takes over" and an enrollee gets one id card and there is no third premium. However, since Medicare Advantage plans have Part D built in, there could be a higher Part D premium if a person is subject to IRMAA. Also, once in the Medicare Advantage plan option, Medicare A and B and FEHB as secondary no longer applies---the bills are paid by the Medicare Advantage company. Further, the Advantage plan might have--from what I have seen--a different insurance carrier and provider list and Rx formulary list than the regular FEHB plan.
 
A few points…I’ve learned a lot helping my family and dealing with our own.


DH retired with FEPBLue high level (standard), and we now have Medicare with the FEPBlue standard secondary. We tried the middle level one year because OPM told him it would be cheaper. Maybe, but not if you have to go out of network. And the year we changed it cost us more with the middle plan.

The fact that out of network was not covered was very difficult to find in the paperwork at that time. We like our plan because it covers everything that Medicare doesn’t, and if you have expensive surgeries or conditions, it can add up quickly.

Also, you must get a prescription plan with Medicare part D all you have is Medicare. A lot of those prescriptions can cost more than you might think. and if you don’t sign up for it right away when you turn 65, and decide to do it later. You will pay a huge surcharge.

We are very happy with the low cost of our prescriptions through FEP blue. I’m betting all the FEP plans are better than Medicare part D.

It is expensive to have both Medicare and our FEPblue, but we had 3 orthopedic surgeries last year and paid nothing other than our premiums. DH has had several insane health issues, ICUs, and it’s all covered. It has been a godsend for us.

The best thing about federal employee retirement insurance is that you can change it every year, you can try different companies. You can use different levels of plans, you don’t have to stick with the same thing if it’s not working.

You also have that option of going with a Medicare supplement plan, which will likely be cheaper than any federal employee plan, but it will not include prescription benefits, you have to sign up separately for that, AND if you don’t sign up right away at 65, they will surcharge if you want to go to a supplement plan later.

And the Medicare supplement plans are varied, depending on the kind of benefits you want so you have to take a look at the info that explains the differences between the plans.


Medicare advantage—

I researched this for a relative who has less income. Medicare advantage plans are good if you’re healthy because quite often cover your premium for Medicare, and you have low co-pays for visits.

However, if you start to have issues, sometimes you your Medicare advantage plan will let Medicare pay,their 80%, but they don’t pay anything toward the remaining 20%, they make you you pay the other 20%.

There are out-of-pocket maximums for each year, and every single plan is different. Some of them are HMO’s, summer PPO‘s. You have to read every single bit of information.

You don’t deal with anybody, but that insurance company. They also include the prescription benefit and depending where you are basic dental benefits, and basic benefits. I have heard some people call these plans Medicare disadvantage plans. But for people who don’t have enough money to pay premiums, it’s better than nothing.

You have to figure out what will work for you, but we were healthy when my husband first retired, and then lots of bad things happened healthwise. We never would have expected… We can afford the higher premiums, and we are so glad we can because when we see how much it would cost us if we didn’t have the secondary insurance, we definitely would be spending a lot more than those premiums.

I’m not trying to scare you, just understand how Medicare plus any secondary insurance works. Ask questions. The earlier the better.

Finally, the surcharges I mentioned for not signing up to the benefits as soon as you turn 65, those surcharges go on forever, it’s not like a one year thing.


Hope I haven’t confused you too much!
 
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