Preparing an Older House for Sale

Why bother with a major update or renovation? Make it presentable and follow the advice of your agent and fellow members here. As a house flipper wannabe back in the 80s, I reviewed hundreds of houses for purchase. The patch work of owners and cheapo upgrades were sure to be removed and repriced accordingly. I would not waste my time unless I wanted to make a statement with the home for sale. Just make it presentable for the buyer's imagination.
 
...At this point I am going to talk to the septic guy and probably make plans to start the project next spring under the assumption that the septic will have to be done one way or another. A few years ago I was talking to a realtor I knew from church and she had advised that I fix the septic. This month I asked a friend who runs a property appraisal business and he also agreed that fixing the septic was a good idea. ...
My DF had a wise old saying... if it air broke, don't fix it. What specifically is it that you are fixing? From what you have wrote you have a conventional septic system in an area with a high water table but you haven't described any problems that your aged septic system has caused.

Unless you are getting occasional sewerage backups or sewerage smells in your yard over your leach field I'm perplexed by the need to "fix" the septic just because it is old.
 
When selling a home for a relative who died just a few months after their terminal diagnosis, I:

1. pulled up the old carpet.
2. didn't refinish the floors, even though in some rooms the walls had been painted with no drop cloths.
3. had the walls repainted in the bedrooms given my relative was the heaviest smoker I've ever known.
4. had a steam cleaning company come out to do the vents because of the above.
5. bought an ozone generator and ran it frequently over several days, again, because of the above.

I didn't get it listed until the fall because of the above work but rejected several lowball offers over the winter.

Sold the next summer with no contingencies, for a decent price considering what else it needed.
 
My DF had a wise old saying... if it air broke, don't fix it. What specifically is it that you are fixing? From what you have wrote you have a conventional septic system in an area with a high water table but you haven't described any problems that your aged septic system has caused.

Unless you are getting occasional sewerage backups or sewerage smells in your yard over your leach field I'm perplexed by the need to "fix" the septic just because it is old.
I have been told that the baffles are missing inside the old tank and that solids have infiltrated the leach field and that the only reason the septic system is not making a problem is because I am the only one living in the house. This is a four bedroom house, would not the likely buyer be a family?

I suppose I could try to have someone recommend an honest realtor and ask them what they think about trying to sell the house with a septic system that will 100% be flagged by an inspection.

[edit] I took a look on Zillow for single family houses for sale in my town. There is one at the moment.
 
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How often have you had the tank pumped? When you did have it pumped, how full of solids was it?

My newer septic tank doesn't have baffles, but does have a filter that prevents solids from reaching the leach field. Is your tank, metal, concrete or plastic? I would suspect metal based on its age.

Is the grass over your leach field greener than the adjoining areas? Have you ever done a dye test?

Have you had a septic system inspection? (By a specialist and not the vendor who pumps your tank out).

The septic system may be something that a pre-emptive inspection by a septic system specialist may be useful. There may be ways to fix it that cost a lot less than replacing it.
 
How often have you had the tank pumped? When you did have it pumped, how full of solids was it?

My newer septic tank doesn't have baffles, but does have a filter that prevents solids from reaching the leach field. Is your tank, metal, concrete or plastic? I would suspect metal based on its age.

Is the grass over your leach field greener than the adjoining areas? Have you ever done a dye test?

Have you had a septic system inspection? (By a specialist and not the vendor who pumps your tank out).

The septic system may be something that a pre-emptive inspection by a septic system specialist may be useful. There may be ways to fix it that cost a lot less than replacing it.
It is a concrete tank. The grass does look greener and grows faster. But my grass is not nice and a lot of the yard that is not leach field has less grass or other plants.

I never have done a dye test.

The company that has pumped me the past two times (about 3 years apart) is also the company that my appraiser/first selectman friend agreed was the go-to company in the area for a good job. They have an engineer on staff and he is the guy that I am trying to get to come to discuss things. They retrieved the three hole perk test report done in 1988 from the town and I assume they have reports from the two pump and inspection visits.

Aside from a possible conflict of interest is that the type of specialist you are suggesting?

I have the number for the health dept sanitarian who would have to sign off on the project. he was away this week but I suppose I can call him.

Grok also suggested some engineering firms for a second opinion but I am sure they are not cheap. Back in 1987 I hired an engineering firm and they said it would require a 7 ft deep curtain drain to lower the water table but that was not possible because my lot is too flat and nowhere to drain the water to. I don't remember exactly, but I think they basically said that I was stuck with it as is or could build a raised system.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, when I bought the house in 1987 the seller put $8000 in escrow towards a curtain drain and then reneged on giving me the money. All of my pissing and moaning letters are in my file from that episode. So if the buyer's agent has any sense they will easily see that.

[edit] I just read through the stuff that the town copied for me. In 1988 the conclusion was recommend a better curtain drain if possible (not possible). Since the system is not actually failing, replacing is not economically viable.

There was an original permit from 1960 and some sort of permit application from 1967 with a drawing showing :eek:ld field and "new field" but I can't tell if a second field was actually done.
 
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When we bought our summer home in late 2005, we knew that the septic system was dodgy. After using it for the summer of 2006 we decided to replace it in 2007. The building is 15-25 feet from the lake.

We had a septic engineer design the new septic system. He proposed an engineered leach field which is a series of pipes covered by a 1/2" thick fabric on a bed of sand (3' as I recall). Ours is called a Presby System and requires less of a footprint than a conventional leach field.

The picture isn't ours and looks much bigger than ours but is similar. The septic plans are at the summer home but I'm guessing the leach field, which is between our house and the detached garage, is about 15' wide and 40' long. The only downside is that you can't drive heavy equipment over it. It has worked well for us

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When we bought our summer home in late 2005, we knew that the septic system was dodgy. After using it for the summer of 2006 we decided to replace it in 2007. The building is 15-25 feet from the lake.

We had a septic engineer design the new septic system. He proposed an engineered leach field which is a series of pipes covered by a 1/2" thick fabric on a bed of sand (3' as I recall). Ours is called a Presby System and requires less of a footprint than a conventional leach field.

The picture isn't ours and looks much bigger than ours but is similar. The septic plans are at the summer home but I'm guessing the leach field, which is between our house and the detached garage, is about 15' wide and 40' long. The only downside is that you can't drive heavy equipment over it. It has worked well for us

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a series of pipes covered by a 1/2" thick fabric on a bed of sand (3' as I recall). Ours is called a Presby System and requires less of a footprint than a conventional leach field.

is about 15' wide and 40' long. The only downside is that you can't drive heavy equipment over it. It has worked well for us
Exactly the system put in for our 2000-built house, about 15' wide and 40' long. Knock on wood, has worked well for us.
 
pb4uski thanks
I will ask about that system when the guy comes.
Smaller the better if I have to have a raised mound.
 
The beauty is that ours isn't a raised mound system. The excavate about 4', put in 3' of sand and then the engineered leach field. I'm just not sure if it would work for you die to the high water table.

We are on a steep hill with a walk out basement at the lake level and the main floor and about 2-1/2' above grade in the back. The main floor is gravity fed to the septic and the walkout floor has an up flush system that goes into the sewer pipe that goes to the septic tank.

I recall that at one point in the design process they wanted us to have a pump system to a raised mound further uphill be I said that I didn't want a pump system so they came up with this hybrid system.
 
The guy from the septic company came and looked at things. Apparently there was an original field in 1960 that failed after 7 years and the current one was put in in 1967.

The other side of my 1 acre lot looks to be original soil. The current leach field is up a little so they probably put in some fill when they did that.

He seemed to think that from the casual viewing my water table might not be as bad as I think (or maybe it is past the spring peak period). He pointed out that water was not pouring out of my retaining wall and my sump pump was not running constantly. Now that he mentioned it maybe the sump is not running as often as I remember it.

He said there is a slight possibility that I might be able to get by with a gravity fed system, but even that would probably require bringing in fill. He measured the pipe exiting from my foundation and said he might push for running a new pipe to tap into the existing pipe in order to exit a foot or 15 inches higher to feed the gravity system.

I approved the next step of doing three perk hole tests. He is going to schedule that with the sanitation authority. He said it would cost about $1500 and the test results would be on file and usable with other companies should I choose to.

The new system has to be 75 feet away from my well. That is a little dicey. He said that the field may have to come right up to the property line. It might be necessary to obtain a zoning variance. Too bad I am no longer a Zoning Board of Appeals Alternate.

I asked his opinion about selling the house with the system the way it is. He said that if they were to inspect the house they would require a new tank. He said that it might be possible to skate through reconnecting the existing field but if they dug and hit water it would be a problem. Once the test holes are dug he can give me a better idea of what sort of corner cutting might be possible.
 
Why bother with a major update or renovation? Make it presentable and follow the advice of your agent and fellow members here. As a house flipper wannabe back in the 80s, I reviewed hundreds of houses for purchase. The patch work of owners and cheapo upgrades were sure to be removed and repriced accordingly. I would not waste my time unless I wanted to make a statement with the home for sale. Just make it presentable for the buyer's imagination.
We always called it "Move In Ready." That's key to a significant proportion of the home-buying public. We used to settle for a "Place With Possibilities." Not anymore. If we can't move in after closing, we don't want it. YMMV
 
OP, Just an FYI given my own recent experience selling our 34-year old home: All of the stuff I worried might trouble a buyer were non-issues. Of course, it depends on the purchaser and the product. My buyer had a worse house he was occupying, so mine looked great to him. When I disclosed my home's warts, he was OK with everything.

While I am glad we renovated our bathrooms because we had use of it for awhile, I'm glad I didn't sink money into the kitchen. We had plans for the kitchen and a contractor that we linked him up with.

Good luck.
 
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