RIP: Pete Rose dead at 83
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He may be someday!
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I read his book recently, the man had a tuff life. I won't judge him on his faults....He owned up to them and spent time in Federal Prison.
As for the Hall of Fame. Of course he deserves to be there. Its politics keeping him out. He probably gets more publicity for not getting in as he would for getting in.
If I was the manager of a major league baseball team and had to pick out a starting lineup to win the world series next year.....I would hope Pete Rose was available.
If I was pitching in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs, a one run lead and the bases loaded Pete would be the last man I'd want to face. And I was never even a fan of his.
As for the Hall of Fame. Of course he deserves to be there. Its politics keeping him out. He probably gets more publicity for not getting in as he would for getting in.
If I was the manager of a major league baseball team and had to pick out a starting lineup to win the world series next year.....I would hope Pete Rose was available.
If I was pitching in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs, a one run lead and the bases loaded Pete would be the last man I'd want to face. And I was never even a fan of his.
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Not a big baseball fan but always thought PR should have been made eligible again after paying his debt (and lengthy disbarment.) He was that good a player. The fact that he did some bad things makes him human. At some point, it's time to forgive. BUT, now he'll never know if he will make it into the BHOF. RIP Charlie Hustle.
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Perhaps someday but I'd wouldn't think anytime soon. The most similar thing in baseball probably is Shoeless Joe Jackson and he's still not in the hall of fame. As a kid I used to like his style of play until he ruined Ray Fosse's career in an all star game.
Sad to see that is seems a day goes by without another icon I watched growing up passes away.
Exactly. Whoever decides these things are a joke. There are drug dealers/thugs/etc in the HOF but he won't get in because of cheating? Please.
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Pete Rose was a legendary player, no doubt about it. Kinda sad he never made it into the Hall while he was alive.
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Has any player guilty of gambling on games he was in been allowed in the HOF? From what I’ve read they’ve been consistent on that infraction - maybe not equivalent to other issues. PR denied gambling on the Reds for 15 years before he admitted it was true.
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If they couldn’t let him in while he was living, what would be the point now? Just to make someone feel good, or to make money off his name? No thanks. His story is well known, no one doubts his skill as a player and may he now RIP.
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Very sad day, indeed. I met Pete Rose at a Sports memorabilia store in Las Vegas many years ago. As a long time Mets fan, I found this photo for him to autograph. He was very gracious and obviously had a good sense of humor.
Years later, I met Bud Harrelson at a book signing and I brought this photo for him to add his autograph. Love his comment. Bud said that he had autographed that photo with Pete’s on it also, hundreds of times.
Now they are both gone. A very special momento in my sports memorabilia collection.
Years later, I met Bud Harrelson at a book signing and I brought this photo for him to add his autograph. Love his comment. Bud said that he had autographed that photo with Pete’s on it also, hundreds of times.
Now they are both gone. A very special momento in my sports memorabilia collection.
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Charlie Hustle was a great player who gave 110% on every at bat and
every play in the field. His personality made him hard to like, but that's
not what baseball was about in the 60's and 70's. It's a popularity show now with little attention given to hard nosed play. He should have been
in the Hall years ago and he served his time for the gambling.
every play in the field. His personality made him hard to like, but that's
not what baseball was about in the 60's and 70's. It's a popularity show now with little attention given to hard nosed play. He should have been
in the Hall years ago and he served his time for the gambling.
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Cheating does not necessarily keep one out of the HOF. Gambling on baseball? That's as close to an automatic denial of HOF status as there is.
Ever since the Black Sox scandal of 1919, when some of the Chicago White Sox fixed the World Series for some gamblers, MLB has been adamant about their intolerance for gambling. The rule against gambling and its harsh consequences is posted on the hallway wall leading to the dugout of every major league ballpark. Pete Rose knew the possible consequences and he flaunted them.
I did not think Rose was a superstar. He was a very good player, no doubt. However, he was basically a singles hitter that rarely got injured over his 24 year career. He got the record for the most hits in baseball history mainly through longevity. He holds MLB's all time records in games played, plate appearances, and at bats. He played in 3,562 games over 24 years, meaning he averaged 149 games per season. Seventeen seasons he had over 600 ABs.
"Charlie Hustle's" best year for stolen bases was when he stole 20 bases in 1979 (and was caught 11 times.) His season average for SB's was 9 per season.
While I think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, based on his statistics, he should be barred from entry because of his gambling.
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He didn't cheat at baseball, he bet on baseball. The rules regarding betting are very clear and are posted in every single major league clubhouse:
"If you bet on baseball you will be banned for life".
The punishment is just, even if some people don't like it.
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When I was a kid watching him play, I remember when he'd get a walk, he'd go and run to first base instead of just trotting there. That was how I thought he got the nickname Charlie Hustle. Only later did I realize that the nickname wasn't about baseball.
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I hope not. If I was his family and they tried to put him in now, I would tell them to stuff it.
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Your opinions are based on your beliefs and I can appreciate that. I just feel differently than you. The Charlie Hustle reference was a low blow btw. RIP Pete.
Great baseball player but his personal life... yikes! The sex with the minor is pretty disgusting. Being that he was about 32 in 1973 I don't think the defense that "I thought she was 16" is so good. Here's snipit from article:
A woman says she had a sexual relationship with baseball legend Pete Rose that began in 1973 when she was 14 or 15 years old and continued for several years, according to federal court documents filed Monday.
In response, Rose acknowledged that he had sex with the woman, who was not identified, but said he believed she was 16 at the time, old enough to legally consent in Ohio.
A woman says she had a sexual relationship with baseball legend Pete Rose that began in 1973 when she was 14 or 15 years old and continued for several years, according to federal court documents filed Monday.
In response, Rose acknowledged that he had sex with the woman, who was not identified, but said he believed she was 16 at the time, old enough to legally consent in Ohio.
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I always liked that Big Red Machine of those years with Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, George Foster, Joe Morgan, etc. Unfortunately, in those days, with school and not being a local team, I didn't get to see them play that much.
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My views on his statistical performance are facts, not opinions. Pete Rose was not a superstar. Very good player, but hardly a franchise difference maker.
A current day equivalent would be Luis Arraez. He just won his third batting title, for three different teams. A singles hitter without a position to play because he's not very good on defense. No running speed, so no stolen bases. Plays about 150 games per year, though.
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These stats look pretty "Superstarish" to me!
-17× All-Star (1965, 1967–1971, 1973–1982, 1985)
-3× World Series champion (1975, 1976, 1980)
-NL MVP (1973)
-World Series MVP (1975)
-NL Rookie of the Year (1963)
-2× Gold Glove Award (1969, 1970)
-Silver Slugger Award (1981)
-Roberto Clemente Award (1976)
-3× NL batting champion (1968, 1969, 1973)
-Cincinnati Reds No. 14 retired
-Reds Hall of Fame
-Major League Baseball All-Century Team
MLB records:
-4,256 career hits
-3,215 career singles
-3,562 career games played
-14,053 career at-bats
-15,890 career plate appearances
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I actually wasn't trying to be a smart a$$ (for a change
). The Charlie Hustle nickname history was something that I believe (if my memory serves me right) was on something like an ESPN documentary. I did do a wiki and there was no reference to the nickname from off the field. But I distinctly remember watching something like one of those top players in history type thing about Pete Rose where he thought the nickname was about the way he hustled around the bases but instead it was not.One thing unique about him as a player (in addition to running to 1B after walk) was his batting style. I don't recall any other player hunched over like that. But it worked for him.
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Exactly, he was a superstar. No question about that. And in the era of the dead baseball.
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Fan voting, largely a popularity contest
Team effort
Legit awards.
Gold gloves are political and are often awarded to position players that are good hitters rather than position players that are not so great hitters. For outfielders they are awarded without regard to whatever position they played. In 1969 and 1970 Rose played mostly RF, but some CF. Roberto Clemente also played RF (exclusively) those years and also won a Gold Glove (deservedly so.)
Silver Slugger award is given to the best offensive player at each fielding position. 1981 was the strike year. Rose played 1B the entire year. Legit award.
The Roberto Clemente Award is bestowed annually to the player who best represents the game of Baseball through extraordinary character, community involvement, philanthropy and positive contributions, both on and off the field. <cough, cough>
Legit award. However, if I'm going to put the superstar label on a singles hitter I'm looking at Rod Carew, Tony Gwynn, etc.
Yep, Pete played for 24 seasons. He's going to be a major figure in Cincinnati Reds history.
Yep, Pete played 24 seasons, was rarely injured, and hit a lot of singles. He wasn't that great of a fielder, he didn't have a strong arm, he didn't hit for power, he didn't have running speed, and he didn't steal a lot of bases.
In fact, the only reason Rose would make the HOF is because he got over 3,000 hits and he's the all time hits leader.
Again, look at his career and then compare him to Rod Carew or Tony Gwynn.
aja8888
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It's nice that you agree on his Superstar status!
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