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I just looked for a review at nerdwallet.com and saw this:

Customer support​

Public offers email and chat support on weekdays from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern time. Premium users get priority over non-Premium users in the support queue. Public's AI educational assistant may also be able to answer some basic questions. This is better than nothing, but it pales in comparison to the customer support offerings from many other brokers, which frequently offer phone support and night and weekend hours.

That would be concerning to me, so I probably wouldn't deal with them. But condolences on your really dreadful situation. Best of luck in dealing with it.
 
I just spent some time poking around the website and see they are very upfront about not having telephone support. You might try the press@public email to get some attention.

They are regulated by FINRA.

If it were me, I'd be researching to see who is on the corporate board, and reaching out those people. Nobody on boards likes to be contact about problems and in my experience, when you shake that tree, lots of responses fall.
I have filed complaints with the Better Business Bureau, the FTC, CFPB, FINRA, and also the state Attorney General of Texas. I was at a doctors appointment when I started seeing these emails and I tried to reach out to them by looking for a phone number. Guess what they have none so you are left with contacting them via email or text, which is what I did this is what I did all day by the time I changed my password all the transactions have taken place The biggest one was when they moved $13,300 from my savings to a brokerage account. I did everything I knew was possible.
 
I'm shocked that as a regulated financial institution they are able (or just willing!) to say "too bad". 8 or so years ago my credit union VISA number was used in some typical debit card breach. It was not sourced from a "password123" problem on my account. The credit union had to just verify (in person) that I didn't take out all the money, and then clawed back - or drew down their insurance for - the fraudulent transactions in a matter of days.
My condolences!! I would be beyond enraged!
 
At first I wondered why someone would make trades within your account (sounds like pointless mischief-making, not that there aren't people capable of that), but your later post suggests it was transfers out of your account, which is theft.

I think you are now a crime victim and should go and report this to your local police.

The police have the power to demand records from the financial institution as part of their investigation of a crime. If your local police say this is outside their jurisdiction, they should be able to tell you which law enforcement agency has jurisdiction.
 
I looked them up as well, so the good news is they have been around for while and are legit.

One of the things we like about Public.com is the company’s commitment to transparency. Here are a few highlights.

  • Public.com brokerage accounts are held with Open to the Public Investing, Inc, a registered broker-dealer with FINRA.
  • Users’ shares are held in street name at Apex Clearing Corporation, Public Investing’s clearing and custody firm.
  • Both Public Investing and Apex are members of SIPC and FINRA.
  • SIPC insurance coverage protects user assets up to $500,000.
This transparent approach is something that should set investors’ minds at ease. If you use Public.com, you won’t need to worry about a company failure putting your assets or your high yield cash account at risk.
If you look at the email they sent me, they are basically saying they are not responsible and they’re not gonna do anything to help me recoup my money.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think a phone number for customer service is enough to keep us safe from something like this. I think our accounts should be set up to transfer funds only to linked accounts, and setting up a link to an external account (or an internal account in a different name) should be a very secure process. They should give us every opportunity to contest the establishment of a link to an account before going "live" with it. This is one reason I like Vanguard.
 
If you look at the email they sent me, they are basically saying they are not responsible and they’re not gonna do anything to help me recoup my money.
My immediate concern would be figuring out what happened. What network were you using? What device? Other accounts may be in peril, especially if there is a key logger installed.

Change all your passwords on any financial accounts, from a different machine from the one you were using. Use 2FA everywhere you can.

Public may or may not be responsible. If they aren't being helpful, contact the authorities.

Are you using a password manager?
 
Unfortunately, I don't think a phone number for customer service is enough to keep us safe from something like this. I think our accounts should be set up to transfer funds only to linked accounts, and setting up a link to an external account (or an internal account in a different name) should be a very secure process. They should give us every opportunity to contest the establishment of a link to an account before going "live" with it. This is one reason I like Vanguard.
Yeah, those are all very good points. I recently added a link and I thought it was almost too easy even though I had to unlock the account, provide account and routing #’s, confirm name on account, and enter 2FA code. Then I got notifications of changes and account activity.
 
Yeah, those are all very good points. I recently added a link and I thought it was almost too easy even though I had to unlock the account, provide account and routing #’s, confirm name on account, and enter 2FA code. Then I got notifications of changes and account activity.
I think a lot of financial companies are too lax about these things and should have better security. They should at least offer options. I like Fidelity's Money Transfer Lockdown, though I'm not sure that covers this exact situation.
 


I found these ^ - government websites. I would start by report it to as many government entities as possible from local, to state, to federal. Collect reports, and then follow-up with e-mails and letters (regular & CMRRR) with copies of the reports and demands for reimbursement.

I would also do further research regarding your reporting requirements and rights so as to cover as many basis as possible.
I looked at that second link (Internet Crime Complaint Center) and they pointed out one way a person's login could be compromised: a fake copy of the financial institution's homepage and login site. They cautioned against finding the website through an internet search, you should always either use a bookmark or type it in from scratch. A fake site like that can defeat 2FA by feeding your user ID, password, and 2FA code through to the real site but then interact with the site on their own once in.
 
In addition to changing passwords on your financial accounts, change them (and make them complex) for your *EMAIL*. If a hacker gets into your email, it's easier for them to intercept the emails that might alert you, and they can intercept the 2FA codes as well.

This is pretty scary. I assumed any financial institution would consider a hack like that as something they need to take car of (other than total fly-by-night types - but they probably couldn't get SPIA coverage). Although, I can kinda see that it isn't their problem - what if a customer was really lax and left credentials on a post it note?
Is that really the bank/brokerage's fault?

As noted above, how were they able to link to an outside account? That takes some effort when I've done it. Are their checks on that too lax, such that you can say it is their problem?
 
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How do they know if access is unauthorized if the hacker has your login credentials? Does a simple 2FA text prevent this? What other steps can we take? Sorry you got hacked OP but I appreciate hearing your story to help us be more diligent.
I guess they are accepting OP's explanation, right? I looked at the Public.com website. It doesn't say that 2FA is required (but maybe it is) and the only version of 2FA mentioned is sms. I would have thought that the $13,000 transfer to a brokerage account could be clawed back. I hope OP is able to recover the funds.
 
I guess they are accepting OP's explanation, right? I looked at the Public.com website. It doesn't say that 2FA is required (but maybe it is) and the only version of 2FA mentioned is sms. I would have thought that the $13,000 transfer to a brokerage account could be clawed back. I hope OP is able to recover the funds.
Right. I looked at the Public,com website and they had a section on security but 2FA was not cited so I thought they did not offer it. They actually do offer it but they could probably promote it better. I had a peeve with their advertising a "fixed bond account" with a locked rate. It was targeted to new investors. I thought it was false advertising to promote it as being "locked rate product". It's just a bond ladder so the rate is only "locked" until the first maturity but a newbie could be fooled.
 
I think a lot of financial companies are too lax about these things and should have better security. They should at least offer options. I like Fidelity's Money Transfer Lockdown, though I'm not sure that covers this exact situation.
It's all very scary.
I'd like them to also have a 5 day delay when a new account is linked, and send out notifications about what is going on during that 5 days before allowing the new account to work only after a person responded with code number from the 5 day notification.

There are plenty of times when a person is unavailable and days of delay would help.
 
Right. I looked at the Public,com website and they had a section on security but 2FA was not cited so I thought they did not offer it. They actually do offer it but they could probably promote it better. I had a peeve with their advertising a "fixed bond account" with a locked rate. It was targeted to new investors. I thought it was false advertising to promote it as being "locked rate product". It's just a bond ladder so the rate is only "locked" until the first maturity but a newbie could be fooled.
That seems sketchy. I have added a link to one place where they mention 2FA below. I'm not saying that this applies to OP but if a company recommends 2 factor and a strong password are they resposible if the user didn't implement?

Fidelity will exclude someone from protection under the "Customer Protection Guarantee" if they find that there was sharing of credentials. As a consumer IDK how you would establish stolen vs shared.

Public.com link How do I keep my account secure? | Public FAQ
 
... I like Fidelity's Money Transfer Lockdown, though I'm not sure that covers this exact situation.
After learning of it, I locked my Fidelity account as well. However, it can be easily turned off - all you need to do is log in. For a hacker to transfer money, they'd be logged in right? So I'm not sure what a lock like this accomplishes?

Seems like the added verification steps that are required to enable an account for transfers is far more protection than this sort of a lock. As I recall, there were a number of steps and approvals to get an account eligble for transfer, including the same name on the accounts, and two small deposits which need to be verified.

As I said above, if this is done via email replies, a hacker with access to your email could be a major problem. I treat my email address password with as much importance as my financial passwords.
 
After learning of it, I locked my Fidelity account as well. However, it can be easily turned off - all you need to do is log in. For a hacker to transfer money, they'd be logged in right? So I'm not sure what a lock like this accomplishes?
Use a OTP app for 2FA. Don't rely on texts or email.
 
If you look at the email they sent me, they are basically saying they are not responsible and they’re not gonna do anything to help me recoup my money.
Since the fraudulent transactions were from your high-yield savings account as I understand it, I would suggest that you contact New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS). Their consumer hotline is (800) 342-3736.

I would also move EVERYTHING to a conventional broker like Schwab, Fidelity or Vanguard ASAP.
 
Perhaps also contact your Congress person. It seems extremely lax that an entity which is a custodian of assets of members of the public fails to have a procedure to immediately address reports of fraud - other than disclaiming responsibility.
 
After learning of it, I locked my Fidelity account as well. However, it can be easily turned off - all you need to do is log in. For a hacker to transfer money, they'd be logged in right? So I'm not sure what a lock like this accomplishes?

Seems like the added verification steps that are required to enable an account for transfers is far more protection than this sort of a lock. As I recall, there were a number of steps and approvals to get an account eligble for transfer, including the same name on the accounts, and two small deposits which need to be verified.

As I said above, if this is done via email replies, a hacker with access to your email could be a major problem. I treat my email address password with as much importance as my financial passwords.
2FA is required to make changes to MTL and then I get a push notification of the change. MTL is not available for 401k plans at Fido. It blocks internal transfers between a client’s accounts for some reason I do not understand. I guess it’s possible to be exposed if you left one account unlocked. MTL does not block direct debits which troubles me. MTL is an added layer to the normal verification steps to enable a transfer.
 
After learning of it, I locked my Fidelity account as well. However, it can be easily turned off - all you need to do is log in. For a hacker to transfer money, they'd be logged in right? So I'm not sure what a lock like this accomplishes?
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Fidelity's Money Transfer Lockdown is special-purpose. You know how, if you want to open a brokerage account at (say) Schwab using assets transferred from Fidelity, you only have to contact Schwab and then Schwab takes care of everything? Apparently there are crooks who can fool Schwab (or any brokerage firm) that they are you, then once the new account has the assets they withdraw the funds. So the lockdown communicates that you did not authorize any other brokerages to take assets from your Fidelity account.
 
2FA is required to make changes to MTL and then I get a push notification of the change. ...
Yes, but if the hacker got into your email, they can intercept that 2FA (if dome by email).
MTL does not block direct debits which troubles me. MTL is an added layer to the normal verification steps to enable a transfer.
I think that the only direct debits allowed are ones that existed prior to you setting the lock. So a @engineernerd says above, it could stop a 'pull' like another brokerage does under your direction, if a hacker was able to impersonate you.
 
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