Schwab is asking for my "net worth" on an application to open an inherited IRA account... huh?

I did the opposite. I put $20M as my net worth. :)
Heh, heh, let us know if the leaches come out of the woodwork. If so, you'll know they sold your info. That's one thing I'd be concerned about.
 
It was months ago, nothing yet. I have to wonder if there isn't some legal thing about selling such info.
 
This is a standard KYC/AML customer characterization checkoff. They need to know if you are a certified independent investor for legal reasons. Talk to Dodd/Frank and the Man.
 
I'm 100% with you. It is intrusive, since you are not coming to them asking them to be your broker. You just have to have an account to get inherited money.

OP indicates the money has been in the inherited IRA for 8 years already and is looking to move it from Vanguard to Schwab. She is coming to them asking to be her broker. She is specifically looking to switch brokers. If not, then as Gumby suggests, just move it to a bank...or don't move it at all.
 
I'll bite, why do you think this is true?
You do not think that there are companies that keep track of you?

They might not know your exact net worth but they have a good idea in a range... and sure, it might be wrong for an individual but they are in the ball park..

How do you think they can say there are 5.3 million millionaires in the US? (To be fair, I saw a larger number on a different site...) And less than 10,000 with over $100 million...

 
I will provide no information and see where it goes. I'm just struck that these "required" questions are not on the account application forms for the other firms. It feels like they are prying and, well, shopping/trolling for more of my business...

"I have more than 100K invested and I have extensive experience" good answer. Succinct. :)

I had a look at the signature section; the only thing I am swearing under penalty of perjury is that I've given them the right SSN....

Guess this is a litmus test for my relationship with Schwab and this CSR (and her assistant.)


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Barbwire: You will run into this requirement if you chose to move your assets to any broker. There are required to ask these questions. I am surprised that you don't see them on other applications from other brokers, maybe that comes after they've transferred the funds.

As for trolling for more business. Schwab doesn't do that - it's not their business model.

This is a big step, moving from one broker to another. You should be cautious, but use your communication skills to ask your Schwab contact directly.
 
You do not think that there are companies that keep track of you?
I do not think a brokerage can call up another brokerage and go "say, how much does this guy have?" The brokerage would be breaking a variety of laws by doing so and begging for big trouble.

How do you think they can say there are 5.3 million millionaires in the US?
Good question; I'd be curious what their sources are myself (IRS maybe?). But whatever they are, they are most likely broad swaths of numbers, not a person-by-person list (a list of 5.3M people?).
 
That want to know so they can try to sell you on there managed accounts. The more you have the more they can make, especially if your transfer it over.
 
That want to know so they can try to sell you on there managed accounts. The more you have the more they can make, especially if your transfer it over.
Vanguard pesters me every couple of weeks to let them "help" me. It gets tiresome but I guess they gotta try. Maybe it makes my fees lower when others participate.
 
I'm late to the party. I believe that the broker is asking if you are an Accredited Investor. Defined as $200k in income or $1 million in Net worth (plus a few other categories). If meeting the accredited Investor status then the broker can offer/sell unregistered investments. Such as new business offerings not listed on an exchange. If you are deemed an Accredited Investor you are deemed to bear the risk of the investment

 
I do not think a brokerage can call up another brokerage and go "say, how much does this guy have?" The brokerage would be breaking a variety of laws by doing so and begging for big trouble.


Good question; I'd be curious what their sources are myself (IRS maybe?). But whatever they are, they are most likely broad swaths of numbers, not a person-by-person list (a list of 5.3M people?).
I did not say they would call another broker... there are companies out there that track people and what they do.... have you ever seen a background check on someone? it is pretty thorough...
 
I did not say they would call another broker... there are companies out there that track people and what they do....
Like........

There are no companies I'm aware of who have access to a person's net worth or their investments, generally speaking. To expand on my previous post, I don't there is ANY company who can call up my brokerage and say "tell me about this guy's net worth." If you feel there are, I'd be very curious to know who they are.
 
Like........

There are no companies I'm aware of who have access to a person's net worth or their investments, generally speaking. To expand on my previous post, I don't there is ANY company who can call up my brokerage and say "tell me about this guy's net worth." If you feel there are, I'd be very curious to know who they are.
Do you ever get junk mail from Fisher Investments? They buy the information from somewhere that is giving it to them and know who their target client is.

Believe it or not, there is a financial profile of you sitting with Experian and the other credit bureaus and data brokers that is for sale. They know what car you drive, what your shopping habits are, where you live and the value of your home, any outstanding mortgage on the home, and so on. They don't have to know what you hold in your brokerage account or if you tell them your income and net worth, there is enough information out there that the dossier they develop on you gives a good enough picture of your net worth - and it is for sale to anyone who wants to pay for it.
 
I don't remember ever having to tell any investment company what my entire net worth is. But, it's also been ages since I've opened an account with a company that I've never done business with. When my uncle died last year, I inherited his 401k and IRA. But both of them were with Fidelity. I was already a Fidelity customer, so it was just a matter of combining the two of them into an inherited IRA, put into my name. I do remember the lady asking me if I had investments anywhere else. I mentioned that my current company's 401k was with Schwab, but don't recall giving her any further information.

Now last year (or was it longer?) when Schwab took over TD Ameritrade, which had my online brokerage account, I got a phone call from one of their reps, because the TD Ameritrade account, plus a rollover IRA I had with my previous employer put me over some dollar threshold that gave me access to some kind of special client services. However, the guy that called me knew nothing about my Schwab 401k, so apparently 401ks are treated totally separate from other accounts. This guy's main focus seemed to be making sure I was happy and knew everything Schwab had to offer, and that I didn't plan to move the money to some other company. He also asked me a few questions about my investment goals, retirement timeline, and such. And he might have asked me about whether I had assets with other companies that I wanted to combine, but I didn't give him any specific totals.

But again, neither of these instances involving me approaching a new company to start business for the first time.

As far as people/entities that would know your net worth? About the only one I can think of, would be your mortgage loan officer, if you've recently taken out a mortgage or refinanced. At least, the last time I refinanced, I had to provide statements from all of my financial institutions, plus a few paystubs. But, that was about four years ago; they would have no idea what my net worth is now.

Also, I guess the courts would also know what your net worth is, at time of death. Or at least the value of everything that had to go through probate. When my Dad died, most of his estate stayed out of probate because he had me listed as the beneficiary on just about everything. But when my uncle died, even though I was listed as beneficiary, since I'm not a direct-line relative (Grandparent-Parent-child-Grandchild, etc) I have to pay inheritance tax on all of it, so the value of everything is getting filed with the court.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure there's nobody out there actually tracking the net worth of every person in the United States. The logistics behind it would be incredible. Just in my case, they'd need to pool the information from four different companies that I have investment/retirement accounts, plus the bank that handles my checking/savings, plus the I-bonds I have, plus the value of my house, minus the outstanding balance on my mortgage.

Now, if someone really wanted to find out all that information and compile it, and had the proper authority, I'm sure it could be done. But to constantly do that with every adult in the country, and keep the information more or less up to date, would be a monumental task.

So, whenever we see these lists that say how many millionaires, billionaires, etc are out there, median/mean net worth by age group, and so on, I'm sure those are just very rough, estimated guesses.
 
Do you ever get junk mail from Fisher Investments? They buy the information from somewhere that is giving it to them and know who their target client is.

Believe it or not, there is a financial profile of you sitting with Experian and the other credit bureaus and data brokers that is for sale. They know what car you drive, what your shopping habits are, where you live and the value of your home, any outstanding mortgage on the home, and so on. They don't have to know what you hold in your brokerage account or if you tell them your income and net worth, there is enough information out there that the dossier they develop on you gives a good enough picture of your net worth - and it is for sale to anyone who wants to pay for it.
I get stuff from Fisher from time to time. Seems like they tend to target you if they think you have over $500K. I do have over $500K in one of my accounts, so I always presumed they got ahold of that particular data point, somehow.

I also remember, once or twice, having to answer a bunch of questions to verify my identity, when I needed to retrieve my user ID or a password reset, and one question listed four different brands/models of vehicle, and asked if I had ever owned one. One of the choices was a Dodge Intrepid. I owned one, once upon a time, but it was totaled in 2009. I was thinking it was kind of scary that they had that kind of info on me! I forget what site I was trying to retrieve that information, but I'm thinking it might have been the SSA website?
 
Cars you have owned or leased are part of the public record. The credit check companies keep this info - that’s their business. As are your current and past addresses and property taxes you have owed and assessed values of your properties. Anything subject to county taxes or local registration fees are public data.
 
Do you ever get junk mail from Fisher Investments? They buy the information from somewhere that is giving it to them and know who their target client is.

Believe it or not, there is a financial profile of you sitting with Experian and the other credit bureaus and data brokers that is for sale. They know what car you drive, what your shopping habits are, where you live and the value of your home, any outstanding mortgage on the home, and so on. They don't have to know what you hold in your brokerage account or if you tell them your income and net worth, there is enough information out there that the dossier they develop on you gives a good enough picture of your net worth - and it is for sale to anyone who wants to pay for it.
Fact.

And the Census Bureau compiles data at the Census Tract Level which provides a useful foundation for firms like Experian to layer in other data, both public and private. It's not precise, but it's "good enough".

Spend a few bucks to get a private background check on yourself, you may be surprised to see how much information has been compiled.
 
Do you ever get junk mail from Fisher Investments? They buy the information from somewhere that is giving it to them and know who their target client is.

Believe it or not, there is a financial profile of you sitting with Experian and the other credit bureaus and data brokers that is for sale. They know what car you drive, what your shopping habits are, where you live and the value of your home, any outstanding mortgage on the home, and so on. They don't have to know what you hold in your brokerage account or if you tell them your income and net worth, there is enough information out there that the dossier they develop on you gives a good enough picture of your net worth - and it is for sale to anyone who wants to pay for it.
Obviously the "big three" credit reporting companies, my bank, and others have a variety of information on me but that doesn't include net worth, and without knowing the value of my portfolio with brokerages, they have no clue about my net worth as that is a huge part of it. Experian/etc have mostly credit history info - what loans I've had, whether I was late on any payments, etc. And no, it is not for sale to anyone; in fact, in many (but not all) cases, getting info from them requires my written consent.

So we're back to Schwab just taking someone at their word about net worth.
 
Obviously the "big three" credit reporting companies, my bank, and others have a variety of information on me but that doesn't include net worth, and without knowing the value of my portfolio with brokerages, they have no clue about my net worth as that is a huge part of it. Experian/etc have mostly credit history info - what loans I've had, whether I was late on any payments, etc. And no, it is not for sale to anyone; in fact, in many (but not all) cases, getting info from them requires my written consent.

So we're back to Schwab just taking someone at their word about net worth.
Look, the regulations are what they are. You comply with them or you don't and suffer whatever the consequences and ramifications may be. Maybe there are none and it's a moot point. Maybe one day they unilaterally close your accounts and tell you to take your business elsewhere.

You really have no idea who knows what about you or can be inferred from pieces of information they do have on you.

I've said my piece. Those who have worked in the industry and are knowledgeable about the regulations know the situation, those who haven't and believe they are above the regulations and have no obligation to comply, you do as you like.
 
I ask a company that has asked the question of net worth and portfolio worth what those questions had to so with my business with.

Their answer is so that we aren't overstepping the fiduciary duty. It shows that we aren't investing your last money and gives the company responsibility for your money etc.. Not sure I explained that very well, but that was the answer I got when I got those questions.
 
Obviously the "big three" credit reporting companies, my bank, and others have a variety of information on me but that doesn't include net worth, and without knowing the value of my portfolio with brokerages, they have no clue about my net worth as that is a huge part of it. Experian/etc have mostly credit history info - what loans I've had, whether I was late on any payments, etc. And no, it is not for sale to anyone; in fact, in many (but not all) cases, getting info from them requires my written consent.

So we're back to Schwab just taking someone at their word about net worth.
And you do not think that they have an idea of your net worth:confused:

Good luck with that...

As I had mentioned earlier, it is not exact and they could be WAY off on any individual, but they have a number for you in some system...
 
Look, the regulations are what they are. You comply with them or you don't and suffer whatever the consequences and ramifications may be. Maybe there are none and it's a moot point. Maybe one day they unilaterally close your accounts and tell you to take your business elsewhere.
Believe that if it makes you happy...

You really have no idea who knows what about you or can be inferred from pieces of information they do have on you.
Wrong again. Of course I don't know every piece of info every entity out there has, but yeah I do have some knowledge about such things. I can't speak for you.

I've said my piece. Those who have worked in the industry and are knowledgeable about the regulations know the situation, those who haven't and believe they are above the regulations and have no obligation to comply, you do as you like.
Thanks for your permission.
 
And you do not think that they have an idea of your net worth:confused:
No I don't. If you want to believe otherwise, fine, whatever.

As I had mentioned earlier, it is not exact and they could be WAY off on any individual, but they have a number for you in some system...
Them having some number not based on sufficient data, but their guess, doesn't concern me in the least.
 
Scwab knows most of my net worth since I use their cockpit, adding my non-Schwab accounts, to track my net worth. It was useful since when I retired my Schwab advisor used it to advise on restructuring my investments.
 
I'll bite, why do you think this is true?
You beat me to it. I think they know ranges, patterns and averages but not details for a specific individual. It’s marketing fodder and CYA. If a client turns out to be funding terrorist activity they need to be able to say “he told us he was a landscaper”. “we sold him those 3x leveraged beaver cheese futures because he met suitability guidelines for a sophisticated UHNW investor.”
 
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