Shopping web site search engines: you'd think they would be so good by now....

If their interest is to target well, in the cases I mention, they're failing. If I search on "sneakers," obviously I'm looking for sneakers. Not slippers, not docksiders, not shoe laces. If I was looking for those other things, I'd have entered that in the search bar/filter.
False premise, IMO. I think their interest is to encourage you to buy stuff, preferable from their paid advertisers. The "stuff" doesn't have to be what you were searching for, so they throw in other things for you to look at -- probably based on your purchase and search history. PITA, I know. But very predictable behavior.
 
If their interest is to target well, in the cases I mention, they're failing. If I search on "sneakers," obviously I'm looking for sneakers. Not slippers, not docksiders, not shoe laces. If I was looking for those other things, I'd have entered that in the search bar/filter.
But that’s not how marketers think. If they know you’re shopping for sneakers, they want to show you other “adjacent” products. Maybe you’d like a new running shirt or a water bottle or insoles, for example. Physical stores do the same thing by positioning related products near each other, even in different departments.
 
False premise, IMO. I think their interest is to encourage you to buy stuff, preferable from their paid advertisers. The "stuff" doesn't have to be what you were searching for, so they throw in other things for you to look at -- probably based on your purchase and search history. PITA, I know. But very predictable behavior.
? Not a false premise at all, at least not for me, can't speak for others. Trying to goad me into buying things I've shown no interest in will only serve if anything to tick me off and shop elsewhere...so yeah, the "stuff" does have to be what I'm searching for.

But that’s not how marketers think.
Then they think wrong IMHO. But again that's just me. Maybe other people like seeing adjacent products so that's why they do it; can't say.
 
I'm going to agree with motley, the OP.

It's pretty simple, if you type "sneakers" in the search box on a store's website it ought to return results for sneakers. If it doesn't, then either: a) there are no listings in this store that use the keyword sneakers in its description or b) it's a lousy search engine.

If you type "sneakers" and no sneakers come up but socks come up instead that means that not only are there no listings that have sneakers in their description but the vendor that is selling the socks has put "sneakers" in their advertising as a broad search term, which is why their ad for socks is showing up in a search for sneakers.
 
Then they think wrong IMHO. But again that's just me. Maybe other people like seeing adjacent products so that's why they do it; can't say.
They do it because it works. Impulse purchases are a very real thing. Pay attention the next time you're in a supermarket or Target or wherever. What is on the end caps? What has special signage to catch your attention? What is prominently displayed perhaps somewhere in the store other than where it really belongs? Stores use all sorts of marketing techniques to get people to buy things they may not have been aiming to buy. Supermarkets put kid-friendly items on lower shelves, for example, so the little ones see them while shopping with mom and dad. Suppliers pay extra for preferential placement of their products too. At our supermarket, they totally rearranged the candy aisle recently and now all of the Hershey products are at the front. They used to be toward the back. Hershey is now paying extra to have their stuff in a more prominent location.

Since the pandemic especially, more and more shoppers have shifted to online shopping so companies have had to alter their approach to capture those impulse purchases. They've lost the benefit of having someone in the store walking the aisles. If you go to Target.com and search for sneakers and they only show you sneakers, you won't decide to pick up shoe laces or insoles or that new pair of exercise shorts because you won't see them, so they manipulate the search results to show them to you. Is it annoying? Sure. Does it work? Maybe not for you but overall, yes.
 
Thanks, but I'm well aware of marketing techniques; I just think maybe companies need to more fully realize the difference between shopping in a physical store in person vs shopping online.
 
? Not a false premise at all, at least not for me,
You misunderstood my point. Your premise, you stated that "If their interest is to target well." That's what is false. My point is that their interest is not to target well, it is to sell stuff.
 
Thanks, but I'm well aware of marketing techniques; I just think maybe companies need to more fully realize the difference between shopping in a physical store in person vs shopping online.
That's just it. They want shopping online to be more like shopping in-store. As more and more people shop online almost exclusively, they need to alter their methods to attract those impulse purchases. I don't like it any more than you do. I hate when I do a search and get all sorts of random crap in the results rather than what I'm looking for, but that's why it happens.
 
Thanks, but I'm well aware of marketing techniques; I just think maybe companies need to more fully realize the difference between shopping in a physical store in person vs shopping online.
Google talks in terms of thousands of search experiments they run every day to see which are the most effective. I don't think that Amazon, Target, etc. are likely to be any different. I'm sure those experiments have taught them a number of highly proprietary techniques that are very effective at stimulating sales of complementary items and impulse items. IOW they know exactly what they are doing, including calibrations of how far they can go before customers become annoyed and go to another vendor.
 
You misunderstood my point. Your premise, you stated that "If their interest is to target well." That's what is false. My point is that their interest is not to target well, it is to sell stuff.

Sure, but targeting their search results to reflect the search terms is priority #1 in selling stuff.

As an Amazon seller and a Walmart.com seller that does pay per click keyword advertising I would be extremely pissed off if someone using my EXACT search terms resulted in them not seeing my ad. The store would not be in business too long if they ignored the exact thing the shopper was looking for.
 
You misunderstood my point. Your premise, you stated that "If their interest is to target well." That's what is false. My point is that their interest is not to target well, it is to sell stuff.
So they are trying to sell stuff by showing customers less of that stuff that they specifically said they want.

OK.........

As y'all are saying though, it must work or they wouldn't be doing it. I guess I'm just different than most online shoppers.
 
Google talks in terms of thousands of search experiments they run every day to see which are the most effective. I don't think that Amazon, Target, etc. are likely to be any different.
But it is different. Using general web search engines like Google is on the whole not the same as using one within a retail web site. People often use things like Google for many reasons not related to shopping and often in vague terms, so the search engines try to show anything related to those terms to maximize the odds of giving the user what they want. Which should be the whole point. If someone is shopping online, they usually are shopping for something specific; it's quite clear what they want. You'd think therefore that's what they'd get, but often they are getting a bunch of other stuff thrown in their face they did not want.
 
I dunno. You seem to think that the searches should give you what you want. WADR I think that is naïve. Those companies are spending probably tens of millions of dollars to optimize their search engines with the objective of maximizing revenue. They are definitely trying to give you what you want by showing you your specific target items but also by showing you other things that you might not know you wanted until they show them to you. You may not like it, but I think its ubiquity is proof that it works.
 
I dunno. You seem to think that the searches should give you what you want. WADR I think that is naïve.
? Of course I don't expect all businesses to bow down specifically to me (oh if only :) ). I just think it makes sense in general to show shoppers what they asked for, not what they didn't ask for but businesses hope they change their mind and want. And while it's a small sample size to say the least, the responses here so far would seem to bear that out. It could be interesting to see what a large-scale poll showed.

Those companies are spending probably tens of millions of dollars to optimize their search engines with the objective of maximizing revenue. They are definitely trying to give you what you want by showing you your specific target items but also by showing you other things that you might not know you wanted until they show them to you. You may not like it, but I think its ubiquity is proof that it works.
I question if this type of search engine is ubiquitous, even though it feels like it sometimes, so that point may be moot, but ubiquity isn't in itself proof that something works. Most businesses tend to be very bandwagon/keep up with the Joneses in their thinking. If something becomes trendy or deemed the hot new whatever, everyone jumps on it. MS Windows is a perfect example. It's had its share of crap versions, but once it became the mainstream OS for most businesses, they flocked to any new version that came out without stopping to consider if it really would be an upgrade or not.
 
? Of course I don't expect all businesses to bow down specifically to me (oh if only :) ). I just think it makes sense in general to show shoppers what they asked for, not what they didn't ask for but businesses hope they change their mind and want.
But this is the nature of advertising. It’s all around us, on billboards, tv commercials, print media, everywhere on the internet. When you walk down the street you encounter images of promoted goods everywhere. When you walk into a grocery store there are hundreds of items being promoted. You have to walk by them all to get to the products you went to purchase.

Why should online shopping be any different from physical stores with respect to advertising? Why should using a search engine be any different than walking down the street and seeing billboards?

TBH this complaint sounds rather curmudgeonly.
 
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.... Why should online shopping be any different from physical stores with respect to advertising? Why should using a search engine be any different than walking down the street and seeing billboards?

TBH this complains sounds rather curmudgeonly.
I still think many are missing OP's point. This is not about general search engines, or general billboard adverts, it's about the search function within a specific store (Home Depot, Amazon, O'Reilly Auto Parts, etc).

You are at their store and searching because you are looking for something specific. If you don't find it easily, you may go onto one of their competitors. If I'm searching for 2 x 4's, don't show me a bunch of 24" window shades. Some seem to be about that bad.

I know exactly what OP means, but it's hard to recall examples after the fact, because I've moved on. Maybe I'll come up with some to illustrate.
 
I still think many are missing OP's point. This is not about general search engines, or general billboard adverts, it's about the search function within a specific store (Home Depot, Amazon, O'Reilly Auto Parts, etc).

You are at their store and searching because you are looking for something specific. If you don't find it easily, you may go onto one of their competitors. If I'm searching for 2 x 4's, don't show me a bunch of 24" window shades. Some seem to be about that bad.

I know exactly what OP means, but it's hard to recall examples after the fact, because I've moved on. Maybe I'll come up with some to illustrate.
Someone gets it, thank you!
 
Why should online shopping be any different from physical stores with respect to advertising? Why should using a search engine be any different than walking down the street and seeing billboards?
It's not about whether it "should" be different, it simply IS different. I can walk down the street and easily ignore billboards, but it's kind of hard to ignore the results of a search where you expect to see what you're looking for.
 
I still think many are missing OP's point. This is not about general search engines, or general billboard adverts, it's about the search function within a specific store (Home Depot, Amazon, O'Reilly Auto Parts, etc).

You are at their store and searching because you are looking for something specific. If you don't find it easily, you may go onto one of their competitors. If I'm searching for 2 x 4's, don't show me a bunch of 24" window shades. Some seem to be about that bad.

I know exactly what OP means, but it's hard to recall examples after the fact, because I've moved on. Maybe I'll come up with some to illustrate.

It's not about whether it "should" be different, it simply IS different. I can walk down the street and easily ignore billboards, but it's kind of hard to ignore the results of a search where you expect to see what you're looking for.
A distinction without a difference. Even if he goes to Home Depot for a 2x4 he will have to walk past the Halloween decorations taking up lots of aisle space, all the grills around the entrance, all on heavy promotion.

If a billboard can be ignored so can an ad for something the shopper is not interested in. This is a pet peeve looking for a shoulder to cry on.
 
I dunno. You seem to think that the searches should give you what you want. WADR I think that is naïve. Those companies are spending probably tens of millions of dollars to optimize their search engines with the objective of maximizing revenue. They are definitely trying to give you what you want by showing you your specific target items but also by showing you other things that you might not know you wanted until they show them to you. You may not like it, but I think its ubiquity is proof that it works.

Your last sentence should probably be: "You may not like it, but I think its ubiquity is proof that it works - for THEM.";):cool:
 
A distinction without a difference. Even if he goes to Home Depot for a 2x4 he will have to walk past the Halloween decorations taking up lots of aisle space, all the grills around the entrance, all on heavy promotion.

If a billboard can be ignored so can an ad for something the shopper is not interested in. This is a pet peeve looking for a shoulder to cry on.
I still disagree. When I do a walk-around 'search' in the B&M store, the pine 1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x6, 1x8, etc are all next to each other. Nearby are the various lengths and qualities, 'good' (marketing speak for 'bad'!), prime, select, etc. There's not a bunch of unrelated stuff between the 1x2 and the 1x3s.

The problem we are talking about is when you are doing a more selective search online at the store site, you may need to scroll through pages of unrelated stuff. Or worse, and my main gripe, is often they don't show what I'm looking for at all, they only show somewhat similar stuff - and then I change my search term slightly, and what I want comes up. I would have moved to another store site had I not made that change.

OP is right, IMO - many store search functions are poor. I don't accept that it is a marketing ploy, it is incompetence/unawareness.
 
Your last sentence should probably be: "You may not like it, but I think its ubiquity is proof that it works - for THEM.";):cool:
That would only apply if it was an intentional by design. I don't believe that is what we are talking about - we are talking about incompetence/indifference.

OK EXAMPLES: I did a search for: 1/4-20 hex head bolt stainless steel 3"





Amazon results in this case are pretty good, and at the top of the page, they have a generic selector for a wide range of bolt specs:
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Home Depot ignores the 3" (even if I add 'length') - and has no filter for length, so I have to slog through 13 pages to find 3" bolts with my specs.

Menards respected the 3" length - but also adds a filter sidebar that allows me to select a length.

So in this case, Home Depot was quite a bit worse. Are you trying to tell my this is by design - that Home Depot is thinking, "Hey we got him! He is going to slog through 13 pages of 300 mostly unrelated items, and buy some other bolts along the way, because they came up on page 11. We'll make an extra sale!"

Well, no, I'll get frustrated, try Menards and instantly find exactly what I want, and buy it.

UPDATE: I went through the first 6 pages on Home Depot before giving up, and only one bolt was 3" long, and that was a Carriage head, not the Hex Head I specified. No sale.
 
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Weird - when I use those URLs for Menards and Home Depot, in a private browser, I get different results - even after entering the zip/store.
 
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