Should we own a home - given risks & costs

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My wife & I were having a conversation about this yesterday.

Our friend's home burned in the fire in Louisville CO almost 3 years ago now. Louisville is not in the mountains and there are no forests nearby - yet, after a long dry spell, on a very windy day, a fire swept through the open spaces around town and burned down about 1000 homes in a matter of hours. It took my friends over 2 years to rebuild - dealing with the city, the builders and worst of all, the insurance company. Two years of stress. Two years where they had to put just about everything else on hold while continuing to work.

We see this again in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, and again and again elsewhere.

With property destruction in places where the probability of that kind of disaster is very low, the continued rise in the cost of insurance, the stress & time endured in rebuilding - does it even make sense to own a single property with around 15-20% of our net worth. We would never think of investing this much in a single stock.

If there was a good rental solution - with a long term lease and a known rent increase rate (say tied to the prime rate + something), we would definitely consider it. Unfortunately, in our area (Denver CO), rents have been jumping higher by huge numbers (it may have stabilized this year), and there are no controls on rent increases.

So - for now, we're stuck with owning.
 
Let's say your friends were renting that house instead of owners. It still would have burned down. They wouldn't have had to worry about rebuilding it but still would have needed to deal with the insurance company regarding coverage for all of their belongings that were destroyed. They would have had to find a new place to live and start over again from scratch buying furniture and everything else needed to live. So I guess that would be a little easier but certainly not risk or stress-free. As you rightly point out, there are also rising costs to renting as well as the added risk that the owner could decide to not renew your lease at any point and you'd be out on the street again.
 
I have never rented a place in my life as I had either lived with my parents or lived in a home that I bought. This is the 6th home that I have purchased individually or jointly. Generally, owned homes are in a better area and in better condition. If I have the money, owning a home is always a better choice for me. I cannot imagine renting the home that I am currently in as it would cost more than $5K a month. On the other hand, if I don't have the money, I am even willing to rent a room. We adapt.

Property destruction is an extremely low risk where we live. We don't have hurricanes, earthquake, fires, floods or tornadoes. So maybe that's the key - evaluate the risks
 
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Rent vs Buy is an ongoing discussion, and there are pros/cons for each.
It is important to research and understand the risks and benefits of both.
Natural disasters can happen anywhere, some more likely in certain areas, but a home fire or flood can do significant damage too.
 
I rented when very young and it sucks. It can be difficult to get the landlord to fix things, rents increase, you could have to move on short notice, etc.

I enjoy owning my home and fixing it the way I want. When I bought my condo 3 years ago I made sure I could age in place because I’m done moving. It’s also much cheaper for me to own.
 
We've rented (homes only) when we were not likely staying a while. Had 0 issues with 4 different landlords. Pretty sure I would not like apartment living.

Back to home ownership as of 2015 & like this too. Both come with expense and trade offs.
 
Married 54+ years. Rented an apartment (years 1-2) and a townhouse (years 3-4) before buying our first home (years 5-18). We moved into our present home in 1988 and love it. I can't imagine going back into a rental home much less an apt. or condo...we have zero desire to share walls with anyone.
 
Aside from all the financials and hassles I would still own. Because I like that it's mine:

I like to garden. I have trees I've grown from seed towering above me. I decorate and repaint on a whim. I have nicer appliances that I can replace or upgrade when I want to. No one else has a key unless I decide to give it to them.
 
I would conduct a risk benefit analysis. Note, some "benefits" (concerning either choice) may not be financial but rather quality of life.
 
I would conduct a risk benefit analysis. Note, some "benefits" (concerning either choice) may not be financial but rather quality of life.
After my close call on a stroke two months ago, I am reconsidering owning while still living alone, and may rent in a senior (55+) apartment building within the next year or so. Plus, my activities of past years, are just that, sitting in tool boxes in the garage, unused. Financially, it's a wash.
 
After my close call on a stroke two months ago, I am reconsidering owning while still living alone, and may rent in a senior (55+) apartment building within the next year or so. Plus, my activities of past years, are just that, sitting in tool boxes in the garage, unused. Financially, it's a wash.

Might be the way to go for you, all things considered.
We are happy owning, and owing nothing. I hope to never rent again. But you never know.
 
We do both - rent and own. Own in the Islands and rent on the mainland. It's w*rked well so far for us.

Rent vs own is a complicated decision, but there are some treatises on the subject. The best one I have found is in this book by Kotlikoff and Burns. They are solidly in the "own" camp. One of the chapters in their book goes through the calculations strongly suggesting that ownership is better assuming you are not a nomad and plan to stay put.

 
This is from around 8-10 years ago, so the prices are most likely a lot higher, but here goes...

I knew a guy who had the habit of moving into an apartment where they'd give you one of those teaser rates initially. It tended to be around $1500/mo for the first year, for a 1br/1ba. At the end of the year, it usually jumped to around $1800. Well, just like clockwork, he'd move just before the rates jumped, and get into a new place with another teaser rate.

It's one way to save money, I guess, but to me the hassle of moving once a year would drive me crazy!
 
This is from around 8-10 years ago, so the prices are most likely a lot higher, but here goes...

I knew a guy who had the habit of moving into an apartment where they'd give you one of those teaser rates initially. It tended to be around $1500/mo for the first year, for a 1br/1ba. At the end of the year, it usually jumped to around $1800. Well, just like clockwork, he'd move just before the rates jumped, and get into a new place with another teaser rate.

It's one way to save money, I guess, but to me the hassle of moving once a year would drive me crazy!
I guess if you "plan" for a yearly move, you wouldn't accumulate too much stuff (heh, heh, and maybe just live out of boxes.) I wouldn't want to live like that myself, but I see the "wisdom" of the plan. One thing to watch for would be getting your deposit back each time you move. Lots of rental agencies try to keep your deposit and make you fight to get it back. I'd not want THAT hassle every year either.
 
Married 54+ years. Rented an apartment (years 1-2) and a townhouse (years 3-4) before buying our first home (years 5-18). We moved into our present home in 1988 and love it. I can't imagine going back into a rental home much less an apt. or condo...we have zero desire to share walls with anyone.
When I moved to Reno 27 years ago I rented a condo and it was so well built that you didn’t hear your neighbors. I ended up buying one. Then I got married and bought a house.

When I decided to buy another condo I knew this builder had built 4 of them all between 78-80 so only looked in those buildings. One day the guy below me asked if his toddler running around yelling was disturbing me. I had never even heard her.

The builder had a good reputation for building luxury homes and definitely knew what he was doing in making sure you can’t hear people. Also I’m on the top floor and have no one next to me on either side.

I have a staircase on one side and a hallway on the other. Only 2 people live past me so not too much foot traffic either. I’m glad because if it was noisy my dogs would be barking.
 
My wife & I were having a conversation about this yesterday.

Our friend's home burned in the fire in Louisville CO almost 3 years ago now. Louisville is not in the mountains and there are no forests nearby - yet, after a long dry spell, on a very windy day, a fire swept through the open spaces around town and burned down about 1000 homes in a matter of hours. It took my friends over 2 years to rebuild - dealing with the city, the builders and worst of all, the insurance company. Two years of stress. Two years where they had to put just about everything else on hold while continuing to work.

We see this again in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, and again and again elsewhere.

With property destruction in places where the probability of that kind of disaster is very low, the continued rise in the cost of insurance, the stress & time endured in rebuilding - does it even make sense to own a single property with around 15-20% of our net worth. We would never think of investing this much in a single stock.

If there was a good rental solution - with a long term lease and a known rent increase rate (say tied to the prime rate + something), we would definitely consider it. Unfortunately, in our area (Denver CO), rents have been jumping higher by huge numbers (it may have stabilized this year), and there are no controls on rent increases.

So - for now, we're stuck with owning.
That's a big IF. However, Grant Cardone says home ownership is a 'terrible investment'. The same folks suggest owning rental property is wise. If an investor can make money on residential rental, than its a good idea for an individual to own their own home. Stay the course, have insurance, and don't waste time worrying about it.
 
For me, it's the intangible benefits some have mentioned. I have not had good results with renting; one place I loved was sold out from under me and the place where I moved was far inferior. I moved out of another and the landlord kept my deposit because it was mid-lease. I'd actually referred someone to him who wanted to rent my place. He offered her a spot in another property he owned. :mad: I was buying my first house and was scratching for every dime I could find for closing costs so losing $750 (in 1979) was a big deal. First place was a teardown to build a gas station; the landlord actually required that I repaint the second place before vacating and I left it in immaculate condition so no damage-related reason to keep the deposit.

That was the last time I rented. With ownership I enjoy making upgrades that I want and on my schedule knowing that I'll recoup any increase in the resale value. I like the stability of the mortgage principal and interest payment (yeah, insurance and property taxes go up but landlords will pass that on if you rent). Overall I've broken about even on two houses and made big profits on two others. This one will be another big profit.

Having said that, when I choose an Independent Living place it will be a rental. If I don't like it I want the flexibility to go elsewhere.
 
Lucky to live in a red brick house, immune to almost everything - fire, wind, & flood. Tsunami would wipe us out, but rebuilding after a 52-foot wave would be the least of our problems! Haven't seen another red brick house, but the bricks were made locally, so who knows?
 
That's a big IF. However, Grant Cardone says home ownership is a 'terrible investment'. The same folks suggest owning rental property is wise. If an investor can make money on residential rental, than its a good idea for an individual to own their own home. Stay the course, have insurance, and don't waste time worrying about it.
Unpopular opinion here, but I'd aver that renting benefits both tenants and landlords, because it introduces economy of scale. Along similar lines, only some 2% of Americans are farmers. We "rent" food (buy it from others, without owning its means of production). Landlords can fix things cheaply, from economy of scale; also buy insurance more cheaply, and rebuild after a disaster more cheaply. And so on.

What the above leaves unsaid, is that owners benefit from capital gains. Oddly, the landlord- literature, where authors extol the benefits of rental property as an investment, almost invariably focus on cash flow. They rarely mention capital gains. This is precisely the enormous benefit enjoyed by homeowners over the past 5 years.

I would consider [again] owning my own house, but mainly as an investment... as a capital gains play, to diversify away from stocks.
 
Unpopular opinion here, but I'd aver that renting benefits both tenants and landlords, because it introduces economy of scale. Along similar lines, only some 2% of Americans are farmers. We "rent" food (buy it from others, without owning its means of production). Landlords can fix things cheaply, from economy of scale; also buy insurance more cheaply, and rebuild after a disaster more cheaply. And so on.

What the above leaves unsaid, is that owners benefit from capital gains. Oddly, the landlord- literature, where authors extol the benefits of rental property as an investment, almost invariably focus on cash flow. They rarely mention capital gains. This is precisely the enormous benefit enjoyed by homeowners over the past 5 years.

I would consider [again] owning my own house, but mainly as an investment... as a capital gains play, to diversify away from stocks.
Your input is fair addition to mine. Many folks don't know how to care for a home and hiring out all maintenance (or ignoring it) is expensive especially for the naive. The other factor I should have noted is duration. The longer an individual intends to stay in one place, I'd say the more likely they will be better off owning. Renting is certainly useful for the tenant who doesn't want a big (5+ year?) commitment.
 
Like Koolau, we own a house & rental property, but both are less than a mile apart. It was tough having two mortgages, but we were willing to work hard to get them paid off. I get monthly Redfin reports on the rentals, & watching a 7.5% increase on the $1.6M property makes me very happy that we decided to buy!
 
I prefer to own. We have extensively remodeled our home to make it just how we like. Wouldn't do that to a rental.
 
If you were lucky enough to take advantage of low mortgage rates in the last 12 yrs it’s a game changer. Fixed rate mortgages get cheaper with inflation unlike rent. DD went apartment shopping last year and brought home pricing sheets for many newer rental spaces targeted to upscale childless adults. Lots of amenities like concierge trash service. I scoffed at the prices, telling her the 1B/1B pricing was more than our mortgage payment. That comment resonated and she set out on a mission to buy a condo. It is absolutely brutal for 1st time buyers. I think the industry is going away from home ownership. Big Capital is drawn to the rental space because it is more profitable. Plus, the lucky ones like me are staying put, clinging to our long cheap mortgages making it tougher for families that need this space to move up.
 
Unfortunately some people have no choice. My DD is a single teacher in Dallas, TX and simply cannot afford a house. Even a single BR apt is $1250/mo. She has moved each of the last six years, because they jack her rent by $300 per month each year. Not only having to move, but each one to a lesser quality place. In the housing crash when prices and interest rates fell, she found a place, but the inspection showed a bad foundation. They took the house off the market and rented it out.
 
Unfortunately some people have no choice. My DD is a single teacher in Dallas, TX and simply cannot afford a house. Even a single BR apt is $1250/mo. She has moved each of the last six years, because they jack her rent by $300 per month each year. Not only having to move, but each one to a lesser quality place. In the housing crash when prices and interest rates fell, she found a place, but the inspection showed a bad foundation. They took the house off the market and rented it out.
I think more and more folks will be in the position of having no choice. So if you can swing it, do it! You can always sell if things change or you find it is not for you.
 
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