Sister In Law Spending Issues

DW has had many, many discussions with her sister. Sometimes SIL will listen and take some of the things we say to heart (for a few days), but most of the time SIL will get mad and say "Nobody tells me what to do!" She's been this way for the 50 years I've known her. She's never had a job or a relationship that lasted more than a few months.

She is on regular Medicare and UHC/AARP plan G. We moved her over from an Advantage plan when she had the 6-month window to do so. Very glad we did that due to the other medical issues she's had recently.
Since she's never worked is your SIL getting SSI and not social security? SSI is a means tested program and she would also get medicaid along with medicare for medical coverage.
 
That FB meetup sounds like a scam. Can you or your wife convince her to meet in a public space, such as a food court at a mall?
They met at the Olive Garden for dinner and then back to the hotel room that SIL paid for. She just called DW a few minutes ago and said that it didn't work out and the other lady was a horrible person. This is a typical result that has happened many times over the years. I'm sure the new ex-friend said something that she didn't like and SIL told her off. She can be extremely nice to people - until they say something wrong - then watch out!
 
My SIL who has EOAD was told by his neurologist he may have upwards of 20 years left to live if he takes care of himself (he's physically healthy now and was a Marine). However, he is really slipping with his memory.

A year or two ago, when this all came to light, he was still working, although having some memory problems. He left work one day and instead of driving home, started heading north to Ohio to meet with his school friend like he did many years ago when in high school. We could not get him to recognize who we were on calls to him and had the state police track him down. They drove him home and impounded the car. When he got home, I was there to meet with the state police and he didn't know who I was.

Consequently, his license is revoked. Medical tests have confirmed EOAD. He has been on a shunt for Hydrocephalus for 7 years now to drain the brain of fluids which have stopped due to the brain's discharge cavity becoming inoperative. However, that is not thought to be the cause of EOAD.

Good luck with the SIL.
 
Since she's never worked is your SIL getting SSI and not social security? SSI is a means tested program and she would also get medicaid along with medicare for medical coverage.
She worked in her early years. She built up enough credits to qualify for Social Security Disability which she obtained in 2010. It was during the financial crisis when getting SSD was easy. We never really could figure out what her "disability" was, but her and all of her friends got it. I'd venture to guess that 90% of her friends are on Social Security Disability. SS never came back and made her prove that she still qualified, thankfully. She would have an odd job here and there since 2010, but none lasted more than a month or two.
 
$3,000 in two weeks at Amazon plus $600 in a single day on vitamins? And always over limit on credit card?! Yeah, she has a problem.

If DW has POA over some accounts and financials can a case be made to get tighter controls for this? How did she get her current POA?
At this point, I doubt any doctor would be willing to state her Alzheimers is causing her to spend more. I have my own doubts. I personally think it's loneliness, and the fact that she's convinced she doesn't have much time. In my opinion, begging the Neurologist to give her the test was a huge mistake.

She insists that any possible future relationship know about her diagnosis before meeting. We keep telling her that it's not advisable for several reasons - but she always say's "they have a right to know".

I had our attorney write up all of the estate planning documents. We drove her to the lawyer's office to sign. The lawyer explained everything to her. She would not, on her own, change any of the estate documents. There's always a chance that she meets a swindler that she falls in love with and they go somewhere to "update" the documents.
 
She worked in her early years. She built up enough credits to qualify for Social Security Disability which she obtained in 2010. It was during the financial crisis when getting SSD was easy. We never really could figure out what her "disability" was, but her and all of her friends got it. I'd venture to guess that 90% of her friends are on Social Security Disability. SS never came back and made her prove that she still qualified, thankfully. She would have an odd job here and there since 2010, but none lasted more than a month or two.
Gotcha. I'm just thinking out loud here-the issue is what if she spends all of her inheritance and then has to go into a facility for health reasons. I "think" because with these programs you never know-she should be eligible to medicaid at that point. She would flip to a dual eligible medicare/medicaid but eligibility to medicaid can be tricky.
I get why you are concerned about her. It really is difficult. You could try contacting your local Area on Aging agency. They could at least provide resources that may prove useful.
The FB meetings and scams are really concerning for her safety.
 
Although not an answer for your SIL, this outlines my #1 reason to delay SS. Age related decline in management. All of my grandparents and both parents made it past 90, but 4 of the 6 had moderate to severe mental decline in the last couple years.

You might consider locking in a spending rate with some or all of the remaining money. Buy a MYGA or period certain SPIA. Take away her credit card and replace with a debit card with no overdraft protection enabled. If her health outlook was better a life + period certain annuity would be an option.
Not a good reason to delay SS IMO. I do not trust that SS is going to be there later. A bird in the hand….
 
This could end badly. I’ve mentioned on the forum before the father of one of our friends, who was once a partner at Goldman Sachs. He developed dementia but retained control of his finances. One day he got inspired to make an enormous trade and ended up bankrupt. At the end, he had no idea where he was. Someone should try to take away the keys for her own good. Best wishes for dealing with your difficult situation.
 
Unfortunately I have been dealing with a very similar situation with my sister. We have gotten her to agree to a budget. The budget gives her some discretionary money and we pay her other bills like rent, utilities, cell phone. The problem we have is that her savings will not be sufficient for her estimated lifespan and she spends her discretionary amount foolishly.
Perhaps you can get her to agree to a set discretionary amount and then put limits in place like credit card limits or use a debit card that doesn't have overdraft.
My sister, is always asking for more money from the savings.we are going to try to tell her what an annuity will pay per month and get her to accept that she can’t have more than the annuity will pay. Sort of like, this is your paycheck for the rest of your life, make it work.
In the end, do the best you can and don’t stress over it. Some people simply can’t live within their means.
 
Unfortunately I have been dealing with a very similar situation with my sister. We have gotten her to agree to a budget. The budget gives her some discretionary money and we pay her other bills like rent, utilities, cell phone. The problem we have is that her savings will not be sufficient for her estimated lifespan and she spends her discretionary amount foolishly.
Perhaps you can get her to agree to a set discretionary amount and then put limits in place like credit card limits or use a debit card that doesn't have overdraft.
My sister, is always asking for more money from the savings.we are going to try to tell her what an annuity will pay per month and get her to accept that she can’t have more than the annuity will pay. Sort of like, this is your paycheck for the rest of your life, make it work.
In the end, do the best you can and don’t stress over it. Some people simply can’t live within their means.
If you can, see if you can set up an automatic withdrawal from her nest egg that goes to her spending account and refer to it as her annuity.
 
I was thinking much lower, like $100.

And Amazon does have parental controls for purchases.

I switched my father to a debit card and would put 100-200 in the account. That also limited his ability to go to the bank and withdraw 1000’s in cash as he liked walking around money. He would take 5000 on a Monday and lose it, or not recall where it went. But it was gone by Friday.. so I monitored his account every day..

He kind of loved the ladies and was taken advantage of quite often Problem was he had once been rich and forgets that his situation changed. There were many many many discussions about this which were forgotten the following day. It sadly required constant maintenance but that is what I signed up for.
 
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Anyone experienced anything similar with a loved one? I know that there really isn't anything that we can do to force her to stop. Afterall, it IS her money. But, she will eventually need long term care and it would be nice if she had enough left over to at least qualify for something decent in the beginning.
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What a miserable situation. As someone mentioned if you didn't pay the credit card in full it might limit her spending. Annuities aren't an ideal investment but would keep her from depleting her resources. OTOH she might balk.
 
This could end badly. I’ve mentioned on the forum before the father of one of our friends, who was once a partner at Goldman Sachs. He developed dementia but retained control of his finances. One day he got inspired to make an enormous trade and ended up bankrupt. At the end, he had no idea where he was. Someone should try to take away the keys for her own good. Best wishes for dealing with your difficult situation.
One good thing is I handle her Fidelity account where all of her "real" money is. She wouldn't know how to sign in, much less make a trade. She knows she has money there, but has never tried to get any out without going through me to do it. She knows nothing about finances and up until a few years ago didn't have any money to worry about.
 
At least one other person agrees with me.

I think you, your wife and sister in law should sit down with a financial planner and jointly put together a detailed plan on how she’s going to pay for the house, utilities, maintenance along with a monthly spending plan for everything else. Probably a good idea to set aside an amount for unplanned items. I think everyone will be much happier once the plan is written down.
Agreed. I don't know what state she lives in, but I would certainly ask about whether a Medicaid Asset Protection Trust (MAPT) might be appropriate for your Sister-In-Law. Depending on the state, this might be a way to protect her assets yet provide Medicaid services for her long-term care. As she isn't yet showing signs of her underlying condition, she seems likely to live at least five more years, which is the limit on Medicaid's look-back on assets.
 
At least one other person agrees with me.

I think you, your wife and sister in law should sit down with a financial planner and jointly put together a detailed plan on how she’s going to pay for the house, utilities, maintenance along with a monthly spending plan for everything else. Probably a good idea to set aside an amount for unplanned items. I think everyone will be much happier once the plan is written down.
While this is an excellent suggestion, there is zero chance she would 1) sit down with a financial planner, 2) pay attention to what FA is saying, 3) understand what the FA is suggesting and 4) adhere to anything the FA came up with. It would be futile and a waste of money. She simply isn't interested in doing anything to make her money last and refuses to think/plan for the future. Our main strategy is to limit her to the amount of money she can blow.
 
Agreed. I don't know what state she lives in, but I would certainly ask about whether a Medicaid Asset Protection Trust (MAPT) might be appropriate for your Sister-In-Law. Depending on the state, this might be a way to protect her assets yet provide Medicaid services for her long-term care. As she isn't yet showing signs of her underlying condition, she seems likely to live at least five more years, which is the limit on Medicaid's look-back on assets.

I haven't looked into this at all. My main concern with relying on Medicaid for long term care is the type of facility that she would end up in. I might run it past my lawyer to see what she thinks.
 
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