Synology Home Server? Any intel/experience?

FlaMariner

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Any thoughts/experience with the Synology Beestation?

This looks like an efficient and easy way to:
  • store/retrieve/maintain our photos
  • store/retrieve/maintain our documents
  • avoid annual subscriptions for data storage
  • not have my stuff "in the cloud"
  • share files w/family
  • family can also have their own storage
  • have remote access
  • basically, my own server
  • price is around $200 w/ no subscription
I'm not into complicated techie.....Just want an easy way to accomplish the above......Here is a link to a short video/commercial.

 
I have been running Synology servers for years. They set up like a dream and are reliable as rocks. The standard software is amazing in its breadth of capabilities and free upgrades come along regularly. No subscription costs, no charges for upgrades. They have never shaken me down for even a dime. Happy camper here.

I would be cautiously optimistic about Beestation. As is it is new software or at least a reconfiguration and rebranding of their old stuff. In tech it is the guys who were out front who have the arrows in their chests.

Synology boxes are regularly available on eBay. Model numbers are somewhat standardized: DSXXYY where YY is the year of manufacture. X or XX is the number of discs. I am looking here in my office at a DS218 and a DS220. Following the model number might be a "J" or a "+". "J" seems to designate lower performance and "+" is top performance. Depending on Synology pricing and bundling of the software you may be able to save money on the hardware.
 
Not familiar with the newer Beestation, in fact, this is the first I have heard of it. My first NAS was a Synology DS212j which is approx 12 years old now and still running as a backup NAS. Synology makes pretty easy to use software in their devices. I also run two 4 bay QNAP's and a 6 bay SuperMicro server running Open Media Vault. The Synology has been running hands off for years now and is much more user friendly than my other systems.
 
Just took a look at the video you provided and a cursory look shows these are very entry level NAS devices. They don't appear to have any RAID redundancy capability or have removeable drives. The price seems to be right as long as you can live with the limitations. I recently had one of my 6TB drives fail in my main NAS so I just ordered a replacement, did a hot swap and 8 hours later it was running at full capacity. It was never down. It doesn't look like this unit provides this level of redundancy.
 
... They don't appear to have any RAID redundancy capability or have removeable drives. ...
Good catch. When I looked at the video there was an advert for a 2 bay Synology box shown alongside. This made me think that the Beestation was a 2-bay and I further assumed that it would be a RAID 1/Mirror configuration.

I wouldn't even consider the Beestation if the only configuration was single disc. IMO for most of us, RAID 1 is the sweet spot. Mirrored discs are just copies of each other with none of the fancy striping that is used in the bigger arrays.
 
An important use case is that you can, "Back up files from Google Drive, OneDrive, Dropbox, and external drives to one central place." So you can bring your cloud data to local network.
 
I recently almost went down that road. What stopped me was the concern that if I died or got (too) demented or otherwise incapacitated, my wife would find such a setup (way) too much to deal with. And I guess a slight concern about everything being stored locally, though of course one can also back up to the cloud.

So I just went to the cloud instead. Pcloud offers a lifetime purchase so there are no annual fees, and while it's not super easy, my wife understands how to use the subset of available functionality that we're content with. And of course with our data not stored at home, break-in or house fire or hit-by-a-comet or whatever won't be an issue. And of course it solves the issue I initially set out to resolve, that of easily sharing files.

I was comfortable with Pcloud as they're based in Switzerland --- very good security/privacy laws --- and have been around for a bit over 10 years now.
OTOH, I recently read that while they're officially based in Switzerland, this is for marketing and that the company is really based in Bulgaria. I would have been more leery had I known this a priori, but it's worked well for the several months since I purchased membership. Bulgaria is sort-of in the EU and continuing to transition to be a full EU member state; they're part of NATO and support Ukraine, so hopefully no risk of Russian access to my data down the road? The underlying "no knowledge" tech should in theory protect against that (especially for the 'crypto' folder option).

They also have some pretty good tech from what I can see, though I hope they'll continue to improve their software; it works great for basic use, but their file collision solution is basically MIA. Not a real problem for just my wife and I sharing files.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that there are always trade-offs and a paid-for-life (depending on how long that really turns out to be) cloud solution has some merits over buying and maintaining your own local server at home. Especially as we continue to age.
 
"lifetime purchase" Whose lifetime? I hope you have your data backed up somewhere besides this possible single point failure.

Agreed, there are always tradeoffs.
 
I'm very happy with my DS1621xs+ though I haven't tried swapping in new drives (have a pair of 16TB drives to start swapping in, I'm in a mirrored Raid 10 setup).

The management interface is straightforward, there are way more apps than I need for the system so lots of tools for different jobs, and it just works for reliably serving video files to any system in my house.
 
"lifetime purchase" Whose lifetime? I hope you have your data backed up somewhere besides this possible single point failure.

Agreed, there are always tradeoffs.
They've been around for over a decade, and I reckon I don't have too many more decades left where I'll care so ... :)

Yes, I do backup my data in other ways. I'm using R-Drive Image for my local backup, as it gives an actual disk image with a full image every month and incremental backups every day. I reckon that if a successful ransomware attack ever happens that I will hopefully be able to factory reset the PC and reinstall the most recent image backup prior to the attack.
Hoping to never find out if this works, but it at least seems like it could be a credible plan.

I also put a whole lot of key files on a large thumb drive (those things can hold a LOT of data these days) and swap in a new one to my safe deposit box every 6 months or so.
 
I recently almost went down that road. What stopped me was the concern that if I died or got (too) demented or otherwise incapacitated, my wife would find such a setup (way) too much to deal with. And I guess a slight concern about everything being stored locally, though of course one can also back up to the cloud.

So I just went to the cloud instead. Pcloud offers a lifetime purchase so there are no annual fees, and while it's not super easy, my wife understands how to use the subset of available functionality that we're content with. And of course with our data not stored at home, break-in or house fire or hit-by-a-comet or whatever won't be an issue. And of course it solves the issue I initially set out to resolve, that of easily sharing files.

I was comfortable with Pcloud as they're based in Switzerland --- very good security/privacy laws --- and have been around for a bit over 10 years now.
OTOH, I recently read that while they're officially based in Switzerland, this is for marketing and that the company is really based in Bulgaria. I would have been more leery had I known this a priori, but it's worked well for the several months since I purchased membership. Bulgaria is sort-of in the EU and continuing to transition to be a full EU member state; they're part of NATO and support Ukraine, so hopefully no risk of Russian access to my data down the road? The underlying "no knowledge" tech should in theory protect against that (especially for the 'crypto' folder option).

They also have some pretty good tech from what I can see, though I hope they'll continue to improve their software; it works great for basic use, but their file collision solution is basically MIA. Not a real problem for just my wife and I sharing files.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that there are always trade-offs and a paid-for-life (depending on how long that really turns out to be) cloud solution has some merits over buying and maintaining your own local server at home. Especially as we continue to age.
Having posted the above in September, I wanted to follow up on something I (finally) learned today. I had mention above that a file collision solution is MIA, and --- yes, there isn't one. Stop reading now if you don't care about details.

For an "individual" (not a presumably more expensive "business") plan, there is no way to prevent overwriting of recently saved data when two or more people are editing a document at the same time. It took me three different interactions with pcloud support to establish this --- the first time the guy told me something that was just flat wrong.

So simple scenario: my wife and I happen to edit the some Microsoft Word document. She makes changes, I make changes. Then we each save and close the document. Whoever saves second 'wins', any changes made by the first-to-save person are overwritten and lost.
Not only that but it's silent, the only way you know this happens is if that person happens to see later that their changes have disappeared.

What they finally clarified to me in the most recent support email is that they have an "online edit tool", which presumably allows one to avoid this issue --- though maybe at the cost of having to change how you go about editing documents? --- but that this is only available if one has purchased a 'business plan'.

So caveat emptor there. Sharing files is the reason we got this in the first place. It just didn't occur to me that they wouldn't have some sort of solution to this basic (though admittedly not easy) problem.

My wife and I will just have to develop the habit of communicating whenever either of us edit a file that we consider to be shared between us, and not keep such documents open any longer than needed. Hopefully that will be good enough.

And in the context of the original thread here, I have no idea how this issue is (or isn't) handled when using a NAS (never had one).
 
Just took a look at the video you provided and a cursory look shows these are very entry level NAS devices. They don't appear to have any RAID redundancy capability or have removeable drives. The price seems to be right as long as you can live with the limitations. I recently had one of my 6TB drives fail in my main NAS so I just ordered a replacement, did a hot swap and 8 hours later it was running at full capacity. It was never down. It doesn't look like this unit provides this level of redundancy.
That would worry me, too.

I've got a QNAP, my third, but I've heard good things about Synology. FlaMariner, it sounds like you mostly want it for storage, so you don't need to worry about speed. (I run a media server, so mine does a lot of transcoding.) But remember, "the cloud" is just a computer somewhere. You can have your own, but if you open it to the internet, you will need to manage the security of it, which will likely not be as secure as a professional cloud hosting service. I don't keep mine open to the internet, as I just wanted a home server. If you intend to just use it from within your home network, it's much more secure and less complicated to manage.
 
@YB88 if version control is important you can run Perforce or another version control system. A plain file system always has the problem of overwriting. Also, you can move to using Google docs if that covers your use cases, there are downsides to simultaneous editing, which you have to decide if that is a problem for you, but we run large scale work projects on them and overall simultaneous editing has been an improvement over the security of Perforce for us.
 
It's old school I will admit, but I use samba on a linux server and if I am concerned about high availability backups, I run a second remote server and run Dirvish.
It solves that versioning thing at least to the point of the daily backup. Dirvish looks into the folders and makes a copy of the changed ones and a simlink of the unchanged ones and you can go back to any given day in the backup period and get the version of the doc that existed that day.
It uses rsync to do the work.
By using simlinks, it is not a hugely heavy complete backup that ends up requiring tarballs or for those of you familiar, those Microsoft bricks that required all sorts of unpacking.
You can use SSH and if on windows, a program like WinSCP to simply browse the folder of the day, for as many days as you choose to back up. I ran 120 days on the businesses I worked for. That was long enough to catch a malicious deletion or most common errors.
They got hit by ransomware and I was able to get them back up while on a cruise, using my Android phone. That was a bit painful LOL.
 

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