The future or death of cell phones

Musk has said many things that have not come true, or borderline ridiculous. Anyone buying a $39K cybertruck? Anyone still waiting for that $25K "affordable" Tesla model? California still waiting on that hyperloop? Anyone think DOGE is going to save $2 trillion? :blush::facepalm::blush: So yeah, he says a lot of things.
DOGE was a real good one. Just more promises not kept.
 
Musk has said many things that have not come true, or borderline ridiculous. Anyone buying a $39K cybertruck? Anyone still waiting for that $25K "affordable" Tesla model? California still waiting on that hyperloop? Anyone think DOGE is going to save $2 trillion? :blush::facepalm::blush: So yeah, he says a lot of things.
Sooner he gets to Mars, the better...
 
I don’t know that it was considered AI, but Google had a feature that I really liked. If I had an entry in my calendar and the location was a 30 minute drive away, I’d get an alert at least 30 minutes in advance telling me that I needed to leave to arrive at my destination on time. It wasn’t an alert that I scheduled, like a calendar reminder. I don’t recall getting these for quite a while, so either Google turned it off or maybe an update did something. But it was very helpful. And when I jumped in the car and fired up Google Maps, it already had my destination plugged in. Very cool and the kind of simple but helpful things tech can do.
The iPhone routinely does this for me, and has for years, telling me the traffic situation, etc. It’s simply part of the built-in iOS calendar function assuming you gave them an address when you added the event to your calendar. Plus Calendar is talking to Maps. When I get into the car away from home Maps always tells me how long to get home, but it’s just assuming that I’m going home next. Yes, the Apple iOS knows if I’m not home, it also remembers where my car is parked when we go somewhere. The Tesla app can show me my car location too.

I also let my Tesla access my iOS calendar, so when I get in the car and I have an appointment, the car nav is already routed there.

That’s not AI, that’s simply nice software integration.
 
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Elon Musk: "Tesla isn't building a phone. They're leapfrogging the entire concept. The device in your pocket won't be a phone anymore. It'll be a super-thin AI edge node, a screen with radios that pings Grok/xAI servers for everything in real time."
Still need a phone.
 
Musk is renowned for saying all sorts of outlandish things, he’s addicted to provoking others. Some of his pronouncements come true, though usually years after he predicted. And some/many haven’t come true and never will, like him living to see us on Mars. Most people have grown to take what he says with more than a grain of salt…
 
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If you can watch SpaceX land nearly 600 boosters (still looks like a fake sci-fi movie to me!) and just blow him off I think you are a bit out of touch. He's not God or clairvoyant but he's got a track record and makes the impossible happen as he, literally, shoots for the stars. I'm not a fanboi by any means but he is a historical figure that has shifted the course of human history. I love reading about Edison, Franklin, and many others that have done the same and it's exciting to witness history in the making.

My great aunt, who I was lucky enough to correspond with in her 90's was born before the Wright brothers flight and witnessed the Space Shuttle.... I just think of the changes she saw that were beyond imagination and we think we know it all now? No, we don't.
 
If you can watch SpaceX land nearly 600 boosters (still looks like a fake sci-fi movie to me!) and just blow him off I think you are a bit out of touch. He's not God or clairvoyant but he's got a track record and makes the impossible happen as he, literally, shoots for the stars. I'm not a fanboi by any means but he is a historical figure that has shifted the course of human history. I love reading about Edison, Franklin, and many others that have done the same and it's exciting to witness history in the making.

My great aunt, who I was lucky enough to correspond with in her 90's was born before the Wright brothers flight and witnessed the Space Shuttle.... I just think of the changes she saw that were beyond imagination and we think we know it all now? No, we don't.
I’ve brought up Elon statements in two different threads only to get a similar response in both. People dismiss him/just don’t like him I guess.
 
I’ve brought up Elon statements in two different threads only to get a similar response in both. People dismiss him/just don’t like him I guess.
The same people that would have ridiculed the Wright brothers, Einstein and Leonardo DaVinci. He's a dreamer, a wild dreamer but with deep pockets to make it happen. And, he also has issues. He's not stable mentally, he has hypomania, a mild mania and PTSD from a rough childhood.

People need to read one of his biographies. I liked the one by Isaacson "Elon Musk".
 
I don’t know that it was considered AI, but Google had a feature that I really liked. If I had an entry in my calendar and the location was a 30 minute drive away, I’d get an alert at least 30 minutes in advance telling me that I needed to leave to arrive at my destination on time. It wasn’t an alert that I scheduled, like a calendar reminder.
I have a relative that needs a capability along those lines. Basically if his phone could determine that he's 30 minutes away from a destination and he hasn't left yet, it notifies everybody he's meeting with that he's going to be late. When he finally does leave it can tell us when he's going to show up...
 
If you can watch SpaceX land nearly 600 boosters (still looks like a fake sci-fi movie to me!) and just blow him off I think you are a bit out of touch. He's not God or clairvoyant but he's got a track record and makes the impossible happen as he, literally, shoots for the stars. I'm not a fanboi by any means but he is a historical figure that has shifted the course of human history. I love reading about Edison, Franklin, and many others that have done the same and it's exciting to witness history in the making.

My great aunt, who I was lucky enough to correspond with in her 90's was born before the Wright brothers flight and witnessed the Space Shuttle.... I just think of the changes she saw that were beyond imagination and we think we know it all now? No, we don't.
As the old saying goes.... through enough darts at a dart board, and even blindfolded, you can hit the dart board.
 
Do any of us know how far it is from here to dystopia? I tend to believe that technological advances create possibility that simultaneously could be characterized as another step to the end. My evaluation of mobile phones, internet, AI etc is that in general far more good has been done than bad. I generally don't enjoy getting older, but watching technology advance triggers my inner child and I am thrilled!

My FIL was one of those techno-luddites who LOVED to make fun of mobile phone users. He refused to get one and was proud of it. Until he got one... ;). He's more connected to grandchildren, old friends etc... I don't think you could take it from him if you tried! He's 80 and still a powerful BEAST of a man!
 
I've been disappointed with progress in smartphones in recent years - the new phones are just tweaks & performance improvement. The one outlier is AI, but most of that computing is done in the cloud, not on the phone.

I want a better way to interface with the phone. Typing sucks. Voice is not feasible in public places. Having to remove the phone from your pocket to see the screen is inconvenient. I'd like to be able to put rules in place so, for example, the phone automatically redirects queries to different AIs based on topic, knows what to share and what to keep private. For example, knows that I have a medical condition and makes decisions based on that, but doesn't share that medical condition with the world. App integration is in its infancy now & is quite siloed. There's so much more that I hope will come to fruition in the near future.

And I hope that I will never stop adopting the latest technology & adapting my life to benefit from it.
 
Do any of us know how far it is from here to dystopia? I tend to believe that technological advances create possibility that simultaneously could be characterized as another step to the end. My evaluation of mobile phones, internet, AI etc is that in general far more good has been done than bad. I generally don't enjoy getting older, but watching technology advance triggers my inner child and I am thrilled!

My FIL was one of those techno-luddites who LOVED to make fun of mobile phone users. He refused to get one and was proud of it. Until he got one... ;). He's more connected to grandchildren, old friends etc... I don't think you could take it from him if you tried! He's 80 and still a powerful BEAST of a man!
I don’t know, but I absolutely hate, hate, hate the TV series or movies that are set in Dystopia. DH just finished 4 seasons of The Man in High Castle and I don’t see how he could stand it. He watches plenty of sci-fi and many of those are dystopian themes.
 
My great aunt, who I was lucky enough to correspond with in her 90's was born before the Wright brothers flight and witnessed the Space Shuttle.... I just think of the changes she saw that were beyond imagination and we think we know it all now? No, we don't.
The period from 1880 to 1980 is inimitable and will likely become hailed by future historians as a golden age of innovation.

To your various examples, I teach aerospace engineering at the local U. My own notes, written down when I was a student some 35 years ago, are the basis of what I teach today. And those notes in turn were based on material that was already fairly mature some 35 years prior to that. How much has Artemis innovated over Apollo? I rest my case.
 
The period from 1880 to 1980 is inimitable and will likely become hailed by future historians as a golden age of innovation.

To your various examples, I teach aerospace engineering at the local U. My own notes, written down when I was a student some 35 years ago, are the basis of what I teach today. And those notes in turn were based on material that was already fairly mature some 35 years prior to that. How much has Artemis innovated over Apollo? I rest my case.
Less than the Falcon rockets and Starship.... Not aware that Musk worked much on Artemis and agree it is not very impressive given its cost and timeline.
 
If you can watch SpaceX land nearly 600 boosters (still looks like a fake sci-fi movie to me!) and just blow him off I think you are a bit out of touch. He's not God or clairvoyant but he's got a track record and makes the impossible happen as he, literally, shoots for the stars. I'm not a fanboi by any means but he is a historical figure that has shifted the course of human history. I love reading about Edison, Franklin, and many others that have done the same and it's exciting to witness history in the making.

My great aunt, who I was lucky enough to correspond with in her 90's was born before the Wright brothers flight and witnessed the Space Shuttle.... I just think of the changes she saw that were beyond imagination and we think we know it all now? No, we don't.
I didn’t read a post that claimed we should “blow him off.” While he’s accomplished a lot, surely you realize many of his predictions haven’t come true and never will, though some do materialize though long after he predicted. His “track record” is relatively poor.

“Musk is a prolific but unreliable forecaster. Our analysis of 43 time-based predictions found only about 16% came true on time.”

 
For what purpose? I use my phone for many functions, none of which involve accessing AI servers. I don't need AI to send texts, get directions, take pictures, check our financial accounts, send email, visit websites, make hotel and restaurant reservations, play games, stream video content, use social media, etc. And of course I use it to make the occasional phone call.
Google "can ai make hotel reservations for me". I've only used it once, but it worked very well and saved me probably $300 on a 4-night hotel reservation. I guess it can also book flights and rental cars, though I have not tried that. You tell it where you're going, the area of that city you want to stay in, give it your budget and it takes it from there.

Not saying this is useful for everyone, there will always be outlying circumstances.
 
I’ve brought up Elon statements in two different threads only to get a similar response in both. People dismiss him/just don’t like him I guess.
I don't like him for many reasons going back for years. I don't dismiss him but a lot of what he says is just off the top of his head and doesn't hold up. He might be a smarter guy than most, but he's no Edison.

In court last week (where interestingly enough he is suing openAI) he dismissed a contract he had signed saying "well I didn't read the fine print" - A) you are a billionaire, that's stupid, you have 175 lawyers so yes you did, and they did, many times, and you think the judge is stupid. B) it was a 4 page contract.

ETA: There are probably just as many people who hang on his (or his bots) every word as gospel, and I think that's probably worse than viewing him skeptically.
 
Google "can ai make hotel reservations for me". I've only used it once, but it worked very well and saved me probably $300 on a 4-night hotel reservation. I guess it can also book flights and rental cars, though I have not tried that. You tell it where you're going, the area of that city you want to stay in, give it your budget and it takes it from there.

Not saying this is useful for everyone, there will always be outlying circumstances.
I didn't say AI couldn't be used for some of those things. I said I don't need it to do those things.
 
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My great aunt, who I was lucky enough to correspond with in her 90's was born before the Wright brothers flight and witnessed the Space Shuttle.... I just think of the changes she saw that were beyond imagination and we think we know it all now? No, we don't.
My grandfather was born in the late 1890's. He had a very technical mind. I showed him a 4k memory chip in the early 80's and told him there were about 4,000 transistors in it. He was totally astounded. Now - the M4 chip just released by Apple in May 2024 has 28 billion transistors. Progress I guess..
 
My grandfather was born in the late 1890's. He had a very technical mind. I showed him a 4k memory chip in the early 80's and told him there were about 4,000 transistors in it. He was totally astounded. Now - the M4 chip just released by Apple in May 2024 has 28 billion transistors. Progress I guess..
Yes of course that's progress, but the truly astounding progress is the discovery of the transistor in 1947, and then going to the sophistication of integrated circuits already in the 1970s. The numerical leap from the 1970s to the present, is precisely that... scaling. I don't in the least dismiss the technological challenges of accomplishing that scaling, but hopefully you'll agree, that these pale compared to the epistemic conceptual leap of inventing the transistor in the first place.

The splitting of the atom. The transistor. The laser. The charge-coupled device. Even the basic idea behind the compact disc. These are all mid-20th-century inventions or discoveries. Do we have anything comparable over the past 40 years?
 
It's funny seeing people slam one of the most successful people in all of human history.

So what if he makes wild predictions that don't come true, he's done a lot of great things. More than everyone here combined.
 
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