Trying to help a relative facing tough circumstances

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DW has a 64 year old brother facing some tough choices that we're trying to help him with. He's got an M.A. and taught English at the community college level two decades ago but has been a house husband for the past 15+ years, raising their two kids while his wife worked full-time. They went through a really messy divorce three years ago and he spent the time since then taking care of his 88 year old mother who recently passed.

We're trying to help him get established but there seem to be many "Catch 22's" involved. He's inheriting ~370K from his mom's estate (eventually - once probate is over) but has no other assets except her used car. Obviously he needs to find at least part-time employment but a nearly two decade resumé gap and his age makes that a real challenge. I've been encouraging him to take any part-time retail job he can get - e.g. Trader Joe's, Costco, Safeway - just to begin to get established. He's been living in western Washington (Anacortes/Mt. Vernon area) for most of his adult life and wants to stay but it is of course very expensive and I'm trying to help him find alternatives. 4-5% a year from his inheritance plus spousal SS when he's eligible are still not going to amount to even 30K a year so I think he's looking at having to rent a room in a house or get into some sort of income-restricted public housing, while also needing to work for the rest of his life. The wait list for subsidized housing in his immediate area is so long it'd be at least 2 more years before he'd be eligible.

I'm posting here just on the off chance that someone has had a friend or relative facing similar circumstances and might have ideas that haven't occurred to me.
 
If I had a relative in that postion I think the last thing I'd consider is the safe 4 - 5% withdrawal guide. Just not enough to live off of. You can structure a somewhat safe high income portfolio consisting of some Pimco cefs (PDI, PFN, PHK), high yield bond funds (PFFA, USHY) and covered call income funds (SPYI, GPIX, GPIQ, QQQI) to get a 10% yield.

Not ideal but what else are you going to do? Live in absolute squalor rather than taking a modest risk?

Getting a part time job for a few years in conjunction with the high income portfolio might let him squeak by for a few years while pushing off SS until more beneficial. Attempt to find an older couple who has a garage apartment or guest house. Don't think they want to be sharing a place with unkown roommates at their age.
 
Sorry, no good ideas.

Tough situation but not unlike many women who were housewives and found themselves suddenly divorced. Age 64 isn't helping either, employment-wise.

Entry level at Walmart etc sounds like a good step forward. Isn't he eligible for spousal SS now at age 64? Why wait for a higher benefit when he needs the money now? I wouldn't hold him to a 4% withdrawal rate though
 
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My sister retired at 65 with $300,000 and SS to her name. Lots of tough choices ahead. I helped her milk her way through a lot of it, but rent increases, aging car, etc make it very hard. Extra work will certainly help. Kids will have to step in as he ages.
 
I don't know all the rules, but look to make sure he gets his highest SS. Maybe he can get considered under his ex-wife's SS and do a little better. Every little bit is going to help. Also, I assume he didn't get any alimony? I agree with you that in his case, he needs to take anything as far as a job is concerned.

Teaching is predominantly on-line now, especially at community colleges so if he wants to pursue that, he's going to have to get up to speed on the new technology. Maybe he can pick up some tutoring? There might be a little money in reviewing papers or some type of review work, though with the stuff I see online, I don't think anyone check their work anymore (ugh).
 
Not that it would help, but did he not get 1/2 of the assets when his marriage ended?
Unfortunately they really didn't have any assets. Rented house, old cars, that's about it. Great thought though - thank you.
 
Thanks everyone for your kindness and thoughtful replies.
 
He should get a job as a greeter at Walmart. The first thing an employer looks for is the ability to show up on time. After 6-12 months he could apply for other jobs.
 
I would encourage him to shoot off resumes for teaching positions and also get a job at Costco or one of the outlet malls in Mt. Vernon.

Perhaps he can pick up some gig work doing tutoring and essay prep/tutoring for college applications.


I wish your brother in law luck as he figures this out.
 
I have a friend in a strikingly similar situation! He had issues, lost everything and is now 66. The good news!

- While he helped his mom for 10 years he received compensation from the state for acting as the nurse aide or homecare or such so her medicare/insurance (sorry short of details) didn't have to. He had to go thru a training and get a certificate but it was pretty easy. He got around $800 a month.

- When his mom died to tried to get into the job market again, he was 59 or 60 then and while it was really difficult he finally cracked it and got a decent role that he has been in for a few years now. It took him 1-2 years to land the role and he constantly kept at it. It paid off. He will get small pension from it too!

Good luck to him!
 
Unfortunately they really didn't have any assets. Rented house, old cars, that's about it. Great thought though - thank you.
Sort of sad that a couple in their early 60s have nothing, but not uncommon I suppose. Too many people live paycheck-to-paycheck.
 
Locally our Home Depot‘s and Lowe’s are always looking for older workers so that might be a good place for him to start. Because our cost of living is fairly high people are also always renting out bedrooms in their homes with house privileges for the rest of the common areas in the home. If the same is happening, where he lives, that might be a way for him to initially get in to housing cheaply.

Even though the waiting list for senior low income apartments are usually two years in most places he should apply now. Once you hit 55 you are considered a senior by the feds.

We also have two different programs in our city with one being low income and the other one being people with slightly higher income, so they pay a higher percentage of their income for rent.

A friend of mine that was actually low income was able to qualify quicker for it with the slightly higher income qualification and although she paid a little more for rent, she was able to get an apartment faster. Of course things might work differently where he lives.
 
Has he tried going to his local WIOA office?
This looks like his area. They should have an adult and dislocated worker program.
I used to be the director in my county for WIOA and it’s a great resource. They can help him with how to look for a job, brush up on skills to get a job and assist with job hunting.
 
Probate can take forever (like years), only to bad the mother didn't have a Trust/Will setup years ago so he'd have immediate access to this $370k. Anyone reading this should make sure family members have a Trust and or Will. Probate can be a long and terrible thing to go through.
 
Probate can take forever (like years), only to bad the mother didn't have a Trust/Will setup years ago so he'd have immediate access to this $370k. Anyone reading this should make sure family members have a Trust and or Will. Probate can be a long and terrible thing to go through.
Real estate always have to undergo probate unless it is in a trust. A will only does not solve the probate problem.
 
How about substitute teaching if he can't get a full-time teaching job? I don't know what it pays and it probably precludes taking a retail job since they won't like not showing up on days he does get a sub call. But maybe a year of that could lead to a full time teaching job?
 
If there is a local university or college nearby, they are always looking for adjunct professors to teach intro courses. Would be far better than a retail gig. He already has the necessary degree.
 
How about substitute teaching if he can't get a full-time teaching job? I don't know what it pays and it probably precludes taking a retail job since they won't like not showing up on days he does get a sub call. But maybe a year of that could lead to a full time teaching job?
Substitute teaching pays roughly $150/day in our MCOLA. Teaching in a public school requires a license, and a degree in education, plus a lot of extra work with grading, meetings, lesson plans, etc. Substitute teaching does not. You don't get called into teach each morning. You sign up with a service such as Substitute Teaching Service. You pick the days and jobs you want to work online the day before. DS did that for several years while trying to land a teaching position, but never did (there are too many music education grads in PA). You have to pass an FBI background check and in many states, a child abuse background check as well. So he could work both a retail job such as Home Depot or Lowes, where there is more need on weekends, and pick up some extra money substitute teaching.

A two-decade resume gap is not that much of a problem in retail positions, since he was taking care of family during much of that time, which can go on his resume. I wonder if he can still apply to get paid for the time he took care of his mother, though probably not. Washington State is generous that way.
 
Since he has experience taking care of his mother he should look for some sort of job in a Continuing Care Retirement Center or some other retirement place. Here at my CCRC they are always looking for good employees and we have many employees in their 60s and 70s. The pay is good (much higher than Walmart) with benefits.
 
While he helped his mom for 10 years he received compensation from the state for acting as the nurse aide or homecare or such so her medicare/insurance (sorry short of details) didn't have to. He had to go thru a training and get a certificate but it was pretty easy. He got around $800 a month.
This sounds like Medicaid Waiver payments. States run these programs as a way to provide in-home care to people who need it at a lower cost than institutional care. If the caregiver lives with the person they care for, then the payments are not treated as taxable income. It's a win-win if someone is caring for a family member anyway.

It's also possible to get certified and work as a caregiver for someone you're not related to and don't live with. Around here there are more openings than caregivers. In California the agency that runs the program is IHSS -- In-Home Supportive Services.
 
Thanks everyone for your kindness and thoughtful replies.

I didn’t read all the other posts. Sorry if this is repetitive.

He needs to first visit the proper state aid office to start where all options available for him will be presented.
 
This sounds like Medicaid Waiver payments. States run these programs as a way to provide in-home care to people who need it at a lower cost than institutional care. If the caregiver lives with the person they care for, then the payments are not treated as taxable income. It's a win-win if someone is caring for a family member anyway.

It's also possible to get certified and work as a caregiver for someone you're not related to and don't live with. Around here there are more openings than caregivers. In California the agency that runs the program is IHSS -- In-Home Supportive Services.
I completely missed that part. Yes-IHSS in California is the program. Public Authority is the name of the department that does the training and has the list of providers. They are always looking for good reliable people.
He could contact his local Area on Aging.
If this agency is the right one they should have the information on the correct one to contact.
 
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