Trying to help a relative facing tough circumstances

I think the ideas discussed already are good. Bottom line is he needs to get a job, any job and preferably one with benefits. Will he be medicare eligible at 65?
Why are people talking about part time jobs? This man needs to work as many hours as possible, like a 40+ per week job, with a part time side job and try not to withdraw from that money he is inheriting for a long time (to permit it to grow).
Most important to many people reading these posts would be the prevention side of things that is too late for this particular man. Not wanting to be judgmental, so will say that in general but not specifically this man, a family like theirs can not afford to have one person work full time and the other adult be stay at home. I know,. child care takes up the income of one spouse often, but work on that so that both adults can be earning income for the family. Stay at home house husband or stay at home house wife is a luxury for the more wealthy families and in those cases there will be assets to split when that divorce rolls into their lives. Across the street from us was a woman who was treasurer of a large corporation and her husband was a SAH Father raising the kids, going to the park, playing in backyard, carting the kids to soccer and dance and what not what. They probably could afford all that and probably were building a lot of savings (based on her salary that was published in our local newspaper). But wow, if they did the SAH father thing and spent all their money and did not have a pile of saved investments by 20 years into that life, wow, they'd be so much fools. Don't be so much fools.
I've got a sister and her husband who don't save much, are always in debt, multiple bankruptcies over past few decades, had to sell their house in which they had no equity and now rent back from the new owner, her husband turned down multiple opportunities over the years to take higher paying jobs at his employer because in his low level job he meets lots of celebrities and often gets restaurant freebees that let them go to posh places. They're both low 60's and they are going to be in a bad place financially when the time comes that his employer thinks he's too old for the customer-facing position he has, and she is unable to sell the crafts that she does. Don't be so much fools is the best advice I can give anyone heading for a life making foolish decisions. But for the fools, time to get a full time job and a side job for the hours you are not working at your full time job.
 
Does he like to travel? a little bit handy?

Sell the house, buy a travel trailer and get a gig each season at a campground. There's groups on facebook looking for Workcampers. basically, they give you a slot to park and live in for x hours of service a week.
work a few months, go to the next place. pretty easy for an older man to do a few hours a week. in the off time, there's wifi, can work remote/teaching stuff. do some online courses and deploy to coursera, etc.

 
2 similar driving job possibilities: A college friend of mine was on long term disability from age 30 to 65. He then got a job driving a shuttle bus for a hospital. In my area, several towns have free mini-buses for residents, and they often hire part-time drivers.
 
Don't understand the part time suggestions. This man needs full time plus some more unless he is going to get $50 an hour or something like that. He needs WORK. Thoughts about being part time, semi-retired, or a few hours in a campground, OMG....he has to work and earn money. He could live 25 more years. He needs money now while he is relatively young enough to earn a lot of money but it is going to take a lot of work to do it. the part time campground thing is 15 years away for this guy, if ever.
 
Maybe I missed this suggestion, but, since it sounds like they were married at least 10 years, he is eligible for spousal benefits. While normally you would file on your own record and later file against your spouse's benefits - after they have filed, which then makes you eligible to file against them - there is an exception. If you are divorced and your ex-spouse is eligible for benefits but has not yet filed, you can receive benefits on their record if you have been divorced for at least two years, are still unmarried, and are both at least 62.
 
Don't understand the part time suggestions. This man needs full time plus some more unless he is going to get $50 an hour or something like that. He needs WORK. Thoughts about being part time, semi-retired, or a few hours in a campground, OMG....he has to work and earn money. He could live 25 more years. He needs money now while he is relatively young enough to earn a lot of money but it is going to take a lot of work to do it. the part time campground thing is 15 years away for this guy, if ever.
The real problem is that he's 64 years old. Plus he has no real work experience or unique skills.

From personal experience, ageism is very real. Even if he had a stellar work history, getting a full time job is very highly unlikely. That horse left the barn 20 years ago.

His most realistic shot would be finding part time, entry level work where the risk profile for an employer is much, much lower.
 
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Substitute teaching pays roughly $150/day in our MCOLA. Teaching in a public school requires a license, and a degree in education, plus a lot of extra work with grading, meetings, lesson plans, etc. Substitute teaching does not. You don't get called into teach each morning. You sign up with a service such as Substitute Teaching Service. You pick the days and jobs you want to work online the day before. DS did that for several years while trying to land a teaching position, but never did (there are too many music education grads in PA). You have to pass an FBI background check and in many states, a child abuse background check as well. So he could work both a retail job such as Home Depot or Lowes, where there is more need on weekends, and pick up some extra money substitute teaching.

A two-decade resume gap is not that much of a problem in retail positions, since he was taking care of family during much of that time, which can go on his resume. I wonder if he can still apply to get paid for the time he took care of his mother, though probably not. Washington State is generous that way.
I don’t believe the requirements are so stringent for substitute teachers and most of the lesson planning and grading is not required either
 
I think this is a situation suitable for a SPIA. I’m getting an 8% payout rate for a 64 yo male in WA from immediateannuities.com. It’s one piece of the puzzle.
 
I think this is a situation suitable for a SPIA. I’m getting an 8% payout rate for a 64 yo male in WA from immediateannuities.com. It’s one piece of the puzzle.
I hope that you are aware that the 8% payout includes return of principle to you. I have a chunk in deferred fixed income annuities as well, but "high" rate of return is really not one of the reasons to buy them. I agree that it is an income stream that help solve one piece of the puzzle.
 
I don’t believe the requirements are so stringent for substitute teachers and most of the lesson planning and grading is not required either

I think you misread the post. "Teaching in a public school requires a license, and a degree in education, plus a lot of extra work with grading, meetings, lesson plans, etc. Substitute teaching does not."


Sell the house, buy a travel trailer and get a gig each season at a campground.

This is a phenomenally bad idea. There is far more to this than meets the eye. And far less than meets the eye, when you put a pencil to the math. Despite what I'm sure are dozens or hundreds of youtube videos that claim otherwise.
 
My understanding is that there is no house to sell. The OP mentions the 350k inheritance, and a used car as the only asset.
 
I think you misread the post. "Teaching in a public school requires a license, and a degree in education, plus a lot of extra work with grading, meetings, lesson plans, etc. Substitute teaching does not."




This is a phenomenally bad idea. There is far more to this than meets the eye. And far less than meets the eye, when you put a pencil to the math. Despite what I'm sure are dozens or hundreds of youtube videos that claim otherwise.
Yeah, I missed that, sorry.
 
I hope that you are aware that the 8% payout includes return of principle to you. I have a chunk in deferred fixed income annuities as well, but "high" rate of return is really not one of the reasons to buy them. I agree that it is an income stream that help solve one piece of the puzzle.
Well aware, but if someone is not well prepared financially with limited investment experience, needs to maximize income, can’t tolerate equity risk, a SPIA checks a lot of boxes. I chose the term payout intentionally vs return or ROI.
 
If he could somehow qualify for a remote, online job, he could consider doing full-time house/petsitting if he is willing to travel from sit to sit.

Some homeowners travel for months at a time and thus are eager to find long-term pet sitters.

We used a housesitter who did this all across the United States, traveling from sit to sit via her car. If she couldn't find sits that lined up well, though, she'd have to rent a night or two in a hotel between sits. So, it's not without it's caveats, that's for sure.
 
The real problem is that he's 64 years old. Plus he has no real work experience or unique skills.

From personal experience, ageism is very real. Even if he had a stellar work history, getting a full time job is very highly unlikely. That horse left the barn 20 years ago.

His most realistic shot would be finding part time, entry level work where the risk profile for an employer is much, much lower.
When I say that he needs full time, plus more, work, I am not talking about skilled labor or white-collar work. This man needs paychecks, period. Can do manual labor for part of his work week, can work in a store, can work at McDonalds, etc. He just needs to start working and earning some money, any money. Then if he is smart enough, he will be meeting people all day long and can eventually get to know some people and get slid into some type of even better job(s), but don't plan on that. Plan on W O R K at anything from minimum wage on up and get some money coming in. He is going to be destitute, probably, but he can probably turn that into not-quite-but-close-to-destitute. Substitute teaching? Working at a campground? Pet sitting? House sitting? OMG, you guys make me laugh! He needs at least 40 hours a week, and probably more like 55-60 while he is still relatively young in his mid-60's because in 7 or 8 or 10 years from now he will not be able to do even 40 hours a week. Going through prime earning years without earning money means you are going to be using whatever is left of your feet, hips, and back for a LONG time into your senior years. Or, you are going to be a very hungry old man. And, cold. And, wet.
 
Going back to the recommendation on buying a life annuity, it pays $2,478 monthly with the $370K. The issue is that the amount is not adjusted for inflation so the purchasing power is going to drop through time.
 
Going back to the recommendation on buying a life annuity, it pays $2,478 monthly with the $370K. The issue is that the amount is not adjusted for inflation so the purchasing power is going to drop through time.
Yes, but with so limited options, how long will the $370K last taking out 4% and adjusting for inflation, and could he live on $1,233 monthly.

Seems like a life annuity is a better option for him, along with working full time ++
 
Yes, but with so limited options, how long will the $370K last taking out 4% and adjusting for inflation, and could he live on $1,233 monthly.

Seems like a life annuity is a better option for him, along with working full time ++
I wonder if he has looked at his PIA vs. 1/2 of ex-spouse PIA. Since he worked 20 years in teaching, it should at least generate $1.5K in SS payment... I put in 18 years, and close to the max for 16 of those years and I receive about $2K in SS payment at age 62.
 
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I wonder if he has looked at his PIA vs. 1/2 of ex-spouse PIA. Since he worked 20 years in teaching, it should at least generate $1.5K in SS payment... I put in 18 years, and closed to the max for 16 of those years and I receive about $2K in SS payment at age 62.
I missed the part about working as a teacher for 20 years. I wonder if there was any vested retirement benefit from that job. Worth checking into
 
When I say that he needs full time, plus more, work, I am not talking about skilled labor or white-collar work. This man needs paychecks, period. Can do manual labor for part of his work week, can work in a store, can work at McDonalds, etc. He just needs to start working and earning some money, any money. Then if he is smart enough, he will be meeting people all day long and can eventually get to know some people and get slid into some type of even better job(s), but don't plan on that. Plan on W O R K at anything from minimum wage on up and get some money coming in. He is going to be destitute, probably, but he can probably turn that into not-quite-but-close-to-destitute. Substitute teaching? Working at a campground? Pet sitting? House sitting? OMG, you guys make me laugh! He needs at least 40 hours a week, and probably more like 55-60 while he is still relatively young in his mid-60's because in 7 or 8 or 10 years from now he will not be able to do even 40 hours a week. Going through prime earning years without earning money means you are going to be using whatever is left of your feet, hips, and back for a LONG time into your senior years. Or, you are going to be a very hungry old man. And, cold. And, wet.
What he needs and what he can get are two different things.

My point was that his odds at his age of getting full time, 40 hour work work are slim. An employer makes a calculation on a 64 year old that hasn't worked for years thinking that why hire and train someone who will either retire soon, won't be able to keep up or, due to age have health related attendance problems.

From personal experience, sadly, it's the same calculation that now applies to a 50 year old.

Now, the calculation changes for the better when you're talking part time work that doesn't include health insurance, vacation and other costly benefits. Most stores and McDonald's are mostly part-time jobs for that reason. A full time employee is a bigger commitment on the employer than a part-time one.

He can likely get a McDonald's or Walmart job but it'll most likely be for 28 hours at minimum wage. Now, maybe he can get two 28 hour jobs, but finding a second one saying he can only work 10 hours will be difficult as it disrupts scheduling.

Why 28 hours? AFAIK, Because large employers are required by the ACA to provide some level of health coverage to those working more than 30 hours. That costs money, so everyone is scheduled for under 30 hours. A large employer is defined as over 50 employees. So a double problem for our friend: make sure there's no more than 49 employees and find a job under 30 hours. It makes for a narrow set of opportunities.
 
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DW has a 64 year old brother facing some tough choices that we're trying to help him with. He's got an M.A. and taught English at the community college level two decades ago but has been a house husband for the past 15+ years, raising their two kids while his wife worked full-time. They went through a really messy divorce three years ago and he spent the time since then taking care of his 88 year old mother who recently passed.
Just to clarify, I'm not sure the fellow in question worked in the school system  for 20 years. My understanding from the above post is that he taught "two decades ago" but then was a house husband for the past 15+ years, so it's not clear to me how qualified he would even be today to do substitute teaching. Perhaps he could requalify?
 
Just an FYI... at least here you do not make a lot as a substitute... I think like $95 a day unless you have a teacher certificate.. and almost anybody can be one here... the pay is based on if you have a degree and then a teacher certificate... most times you are just baby sitting..

But subbing every day is about $15K to $20K based on qualifications... one reason I do not do it... just not worth the trouble...
 
He is in a tough situation. As others have pointed out, he needs to generate some income. As great as a full time job that paid a living wage would be, I don’t think that is likely. Age 64 and hasn’t worked in 15 years is going to work against him.

In addition to income, he needs to think about getting affordable housing. You have indicated that the waiting list for subsidized housing is long, but the sooner he gets on the list the better. A question I have is will he still qualify for subsidized housing when he inherits the $370000? Is there an asset test as well as an income test? This might be an instance where an annuity might be helpful…he would have income but the assets would be gone.

His other issue will be a budget. The OP indicated that income from Social Security and his inheritance would amount to approximately $30000. He needs to think in terms of a budget for the of amount of his SS plus the amount he can safely withdraw from his inheritance. There are posters on this site who mange on a comparable income. I mention the need for a budget because he and his ex wife reached this stage of life without savings/investments. A concern that I would have is that he gets the inheritance and in a few years, it is gone.
 
I don’t recall seeing gig-work mentioned. If he has a car (or can buy a cheap, reliable used one), doing uber or door dash could be an option, esp as a supplement to a regular paycheck.
 
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