Unreasonable HOA fees

He had 10 acres of land south of Houston... someone bought the 10 acres across the street from him and then started to put heavy equipment on it..

If you do not like an HOA then maybe you might be the problem... mine makes some really stupid decisions but they are trying to make the neighborhood better... not be some kind of czar cracking down on any kind of rule violation...
Oh, absolutely, there are risks both ways. My own rural experience is that working farms are noisy and can be downright obnoxious for us mere residential-residents. Tractors and combines are noisy. Farm workers of, ahem, uncertain provenance or residential status, tend to get boisterous. Loud outdoor parties complete with live bands, going until 3 am. This isn't a "transitional" neighborhood in the city. This is way out in the boonies, on 100+ acre farms.

I have also found that even vast distances - many hundreds of yards, perhaps thousands of yards - still allow noise to carry. The report of gunfire can go 5-10 miles, depending on topography and wind. Formerly I lived about 8 miles downrange from a firing range. Yes, eight miles. Weekend mornings were... loud.

My point is an overarching "buyer beware". Rufus is a nasty neighbor? Scope out the neighborhood, before buying. 10 acres across the street sitting empty and likely to be sold? Investigate who owns it, and whether it's likely to be sold. Even then, one never knows. I give short shrift to reliance on some kind of piece of paper - a covenant or whatnot - to "guarantee" peace and quiet! It's all situational.
 
There’s an old joke for non HOA neighborhoods. How do you know what someone’s first car was? It’s still parked on their lawn.
 
The city picks up yard waste and bulk items 50 weeks per year on different days. Pile it up, and their cherry picker will take it. There is a surcharge if it doesn't fit in the huge cans provided.
 
Recalling another incident the "new" HOA did, i.e. after the political folks took a liking to my hood and took it over. I lived on two-acres for six years prior to the politicians. I had a backyard of 14 acres of "designated reserve" woods/forest. This was inside the outer belt...quite rare. Well some how a developer got in the fold and built 3.5 empty-nester homes per acre. These were high quality HOA homes that broke every agreement on the books including a 30 foot no touch buffer. My HOA acted surprised and dropped it at that. Why?...'don't slap the hand that feeds you'. Can't fight city hall and I already learned that.
 
Recalling another incident the "new" HOA did, i.e. after the political folks took a liking to my hood and took it over. I lived on two-acres for six years prior to the politicians. I had a backyard of 14 acres of "designated reserve" woods/forest. This was inside the outer belt...quite rare. Well some how a developer got in the fold and built 3.5 empty-nester homes per acre. These were high quality HOA homes that broke every agreement on the books including a 30 foot no touch buffer. My HOA acted surprised and dropped it at that. Why?...'don't slap the hand that feeds you'. Can't fight city hall and I already learned that.
That’s a city issue. The HOA doesn’t define set backs.
 
That’s a city issue. The HOA doesn’t define set backs.
You don't get it, I never said defined. That developer's contract was negotiated by our principal HOA member (with political ties to local, state and national) and rubber stamped by the city and county as necessary. He was not the HOA president but the puppet-master of the board. Often our HOA meetings were held at his home with wonderful hospitality.
 
You don't get it, I never said defined. That developer's contract was negotiated by our principal HOA member (with political ties to local, state and national) and rubber stamped by the city and county as necessary. He was not the HOA president but the puppet-master of the board. Often our HOA meetings were held at his home with wonderful hospitality.
Ok we all get it. You don’t like HOA’s.
 
Sorry...the "sinkhole" was a simple illustration of shared risk in a HOA neighborhood...it came to mind as I live in FL where it is common. I have no idea how this risk is shared among HOA members. ...
A sinkhole is not a shared risk. If your home has a sinkhole problem it is your problem, not the HOA's. Now if a HOA common facility like a pool has a sinkhole problem, then it is a shared risk. Methinks that you don't really understand HOAs.
 
You don't get it, I never said defined. That developer's contract was negotiated by our principal HOA member (with political ties to local, state and national) and rubber stamped by the city and county as necessary. He was not the HOA president but the puppet-master of the board. Often our HOA meetings were held at his home with wonderful hospitality.
That doesn't sound legal under current florida hoa laws. One thing about florida, they do have some very well established laws designed to protect home owners in HOA. Perhaps your experiences are from some time ago?
 
We live in an HOA community and like the whole concept. No Karen like folks on the board. We saw decent looking housing communities with cars on the lawn, etc. No thanks.
Less chance of Florida man living next door.
 
I'm more inclined to live on the street Diogenes described.

If I see a neighbor working on a car at the curb, I'll grab a couple of beers and see if they need a hand. Moonshiners across the street. Let's plan a July 4th throwdown for the neighborhood.

Nothing against folks that live in HOA's, they serve a purpose. Just not my style.
 
Some people just like nice things, i.e. those who prefer to live in a HOA community. :)
 
With a condo a HOA is mandatory of course. We bought a 20 year-old house in a community with a HOA and they were absolutely ridiculous. They drove around in their golf cart looking hard for things. Once I got a letter that I had weeds in the front yard, and it took me over an hour to find the four of them.

My stepson was in the military, and he would always notify them when he was leaving because then they could not fine him for any reason and they would always wait for him to be gone and then try to find something wrong and fine him. I can’t tell you how many times I went over there with proof that he was gone and the rules about what you can and cannot do to military on deployment.

It always had to do with this front yard grass and they would decide there were weeds in it, or it was too long, but only when he was gone. On our advice he finally got permission to put in Astroturf so that was no longer a problem.

They were so bad that everyone got so fed up that they came to the HOA meeting. The meetings were held in one of the houses that was built which also housed the offices, etc., and so many people showed up hundreds in fact that the Board got scared and called the police.

The TV news came to and people started to tell all their horrible stories about the HOA and while we had sold our house by then the community was able to get rid of everybody on the board and start over.

The other houses I owned have all been older so of course there were no HOA’s. The only older house I owned where people put their junk in the yard was in fact here in Reno and a very nice older neighborhood in the northwest.

They would throw their old appliances in the backyard or the side yard instead of taking them to the dump. I would always tell them when the free dump days were but usually it did no good.

We did not want to look at their junk and they had a 4ft wire fence between our properties so a 6 foot fence on our side that you could not see through fixed that problem. I would walk my big dog extensively for miles through the neighborhood and they were the only people that chose to live that way.

When we wanted to sell the house five years ago, I was wondering if that was going to hurt our property values, but in fact it did not. In less than 48 hours, we had six offers all above asking price. We probably wouldn’t have normally bought the house because of the way they kept their house and yard but during the huge downturn in 2012 we bought it for 60K because it was a foreclosure that needed a ton of work before you could move in.

Because my husband was handy we did the work ourselves and didn’t move in for five months. It really paid off in the amount of money we made.

Our Condo HOA is pretty reasonable as people get a courtesy letter first if they have a violation. It gives them 10 days to fix it before they are subject to any hearings or fines. We’ve had people incur late fees because they were sick or in the hospital, etc., and typically we will waive them once. Some people buy these as second homes and they’re not here so we also work with them if they are out of town.

After all, these people are our neighbors and the goal of the HOA is to maintain the property and not to harass people. I have to say it did annoy me when I lived next-door to the people that threw junk in their yard. However, even though I owned a couple of new homes, I really prefer older homes and older neighborhoods. Maybe I’ve just been lucky that I never encountered more slobs along the way.
 
The TV news came to and people started to tell all their horrible stories about the HOA and while we had sold our house by then the community was able to get rid of everybody on the board and start over.

Quote from above...

THIS... if an HOA is SOOO bad the residents can get rid of them easily... if the residents do not complain but you do that is a you problem...

I think a number of people who do not like HOAs are in the later category...

Now, I have no problem with whatever you decide... but nobody here is going to change anybody's mind to go the other way... it is just... :horse:
 
The TV news came to and people started to tell all their horrible stories about the HOA and while we had sold our house by then the community was able to get rid of everybody on the board and start over.

Quote from above...

THIS... if an HOA is SOOO bad the residents can get rid of them easily... if the residents do not complain but you do that is a you problem...

I think a number of people who do not like HOAs are in the later category...

Now, I have no problem with whatever you decide... but nobody here is going to change anybody's mind to go the other way... it is just... :horse:
People that lived in this subdivision were complaining all the time. We lived there for seven years and then decided we wanted to be closer in town. My stepson kept his little home as a rental when he decided to move right in town too.

The HOA dictated the front yards, but not the backyards. That made sense to me. Ever since that board was replaced and I think that’s been at least 10 years now he’s had no issues at all.
 
I'm more inclined to live on the street Diogenes described.

If I see a neighbor working on a car at the curb, I'll grab a couple of beers and see if they need a hand. Moonshiners across the street. Let's plan a July 4th throwdown for the neighborhood.

Nothing against folks that live in HOA's, they serve a purpose. Just not my style.
Have you ever lived in a HOA so your opinion is based on actual experience? Or is it just conjecture?
 
To me, this does not deserve credit. Given inflation, it is almost a certainty the reserves are underfunded. If you haven't had a reserve study completed in the past 3 years your HOA needs one. Badly.
Our HOA does a minimal reserve review EVERY YEAR and a COMPLETE "stem to stern" every 3rd year. They are VIGILANT on reserves.
Just under 1,000 SFH plus 5+/- neighborhood parks, 25,000 sq ft club house incl pool, indoor pool, a "pub" w/ full license and other amenities.
 
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I dunno. One would think that if the "historic" drought was severe that the city would have implemented watering restrictions which would obviously trump the HOA rules. Since the city hasn't implemented watering restrictions then it is a closer call but I can see the HOAs position.

OTOH, if I prioritized a green lawn and kept my lawn watered and green and neighbors did not to save money using the drought as a crutch then I would be unhappy.

I side with the HOA on this one.
 
I dunno. One would think that if the "historic" drought was severe that the city would have implemented watering restrictions which would obviously trump the HOA rules. Since the city hasn't implemented watering restrictions then it is a closer call but I can see the HOAs position.

OTOH, if I prioritized a green lawn and kept my lawn watered and green and neighbors did not to save money using the drought as a crutch then I would be unhappy.

I side with the HOA on this one.
There are a lot of reasons why the restrictions are not mandatory. One of them is that if people use less water, the city gets less money. Superior gets much of their water from the Colorado River on the other side of the Continental Divide, yes, the Colorado River that is in dire straits and which may never recover.

I used to live near the subdivision in question and watched it be built from a giant, empty BROWN field beginning in about 1990. The natural vegetation is CO turns brown in summer, but people insist on Kentucky Bluegrass lawns. There are very attractive Xeriscape options, but most HOAs have a cow over that. Rock Creek also waters the crap out of their streets every night, they have lush green medians and the water goes everywhere. At some point people need to get a clue that Colorado is not the Midwest or Southeast. Stuff turns brown, deal with it.
 
There are a lot of reasons why the restrictions are not mandatory. One of them is that if people use less water, the city gets less money. Superior gets much of their water from the Colorado River on the other side of the Continental Divide, yes, the Colorado River that is in dire straits and which may never recover.

I used to live near the subdivision in question and watched it be built from a giant, empty BROWN field beginning in about 1990. The natural vegetation is CO turns brown in summer, but people insist on Kentucky Bluegrass lawns. There are very attractive Xeriscape options, but most HOAs have a cow over that. Rock Creek also waters the crap out of their streets every night, they have lush green medians and the water goes everywhere. At some point people need to get a clue that Colorado is not the Midwest or Southeast. Stuff turns brown, deal with it.
I get it now. You are biased to conserve water. You should have told us that to begin with.

If the government officials in charge of water shared your concerns then they would be restricting water usage. My home in Texas has water restrictions and the homes in our HOA abide by them. When the restrictions change, we change our behavior.

In this case, your issue is really more with the city. The HOA board has to enforce the declarations and the rules and regulations of the HOA. The Board may or may not have the authority to change the standard for lawn appearance to allow brown lawns as you advocate and if they allowed brown lawns they may get sued by other homeowners who prefer green lawns that was "part of the deal". Even if they do have the authority they may not have a consensus within the community to do so.

You need to get over it. Rather than rail against HOAs, lobby the city to implement water restrictions.
 
I live in Colorado. No water restrictions from the city or HOA, but I have a xeriscaped yard so it wouldn’t matter to me anyway. Nature provides us with a lot of green naturally.

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