Upgrade home theater?

DrRoy

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I have posted earlier that late last year, I upgraded my 1970's stereo system with a new Rotel integrated amp, KEF speakers, and an REL subwoofer. My music listening experience has been totally transformed for the better. I wondered if the same opportunity might be available for our home theater system too. We have a low/mid Onkyo 5.1 av receiver TX-NR696, small Harmon Kardon front speakers, a 3 driver Sony center speaker, and single driver Sony rears. The subwoofer is a Sony SA-WMSP4. I was prepared to consider a Marantz Cinema 50 and KEF speakers, that would likely add up to $5-10K for a major BTD.

To get a feel for the potential improvement, I played a movie soundtrack on my new stereo, and then on the home theater. I was expecting a huge difference, like with the old and new stereo, but frankly, the difference was there, but rather modest. DW had the same reaction. The potential improvement did not seem nearly like $5-10K worth. Another part of the consideration is that we think that much of the potential improvement would only be apparent when we watch movies rather than typical TV programs, which we do not do a lot. Most of the difference in my test seemed to be in the bass. That gave us the idea of perhaps just replacing the subwoofer. After research, our candidate for replacement is the SVS PB-1000 for $850.

Last night while watching regular TV, I noticed that the existing subwoofer was only set to about 2/3 of the output range. I raised it to 5/6, and we could hear some difference. Now we wonder if we need to change the system at all. I solicit the community input on this.
 
I have no input, because I know nothing about home theater systems. But I have one and feel the need to upgrade also. At some point, I'm going to contact an audio expert for advice.

Maybe a visit to a high end home theater shop would help you with your decision?
 
I have "upgraded" to SONOS ARC soundbars on 2 of 4 TV's once we built our house. I also have SONOS Beam on a 3rd, but left the Bose soundbar on the final tv that we don't watch often. Have several other mobile SONOS speakers. They live up to the hype IMO and am very happy. Simple, APP enabled for setup and adjustment. Highly recommend.

Flieger
 
I have noticed that a lot of the sound issues come from the channel or whatever streaming app you are watching. Recently, we started watching "Ozark" on HULU and the audio is so bad we gave up! :(
 
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There is no doubt, none, that you would get a completely different sound out of your system with a new, larger subwoofer, especially for movies. But regular TV viewing would be enhanced as well.

The Sony has an 8" diameter speaker and 100 watts power; the SBS has a 12" speaker and 325 watts power. No contest. The frequency response of the Sony probably goes down to 30 Hz or so, and probably starts rolling off around 45 Hz.. The SBS gets down to 20 Hz and the frequency response curve is still flat.

I had a Sony 8" subwoofer with 100 watts power and replaced it with a Hsu Research VTF-2 MK5, with 350 watts and a 12" speaker. Night and day difference.

SBS is a great name in subwoofers, but I think they are somewhat overpriced. The reason they cost more for the same kind of equipment is they have an extensive dealer network and a robust service network. I guarantee you will be able to hear (and feel) the difference with the SBS vs. the Sony.
 
I have that a lot of the sound issues come from the channel or whatever streaming app you are watching. Recently, we started watching "Ozark" on HULU and the audio is so bad we gave up! :(

I'd love an anti-karaoke option in the system, something that would boost dialogue clarity and reduce all other sound.
 
I didn't design the new house with a dedicated theater room. I think we will upgrade the sound system with the new TV purchase. Our current TV is a 50-in plasma that we've had for 14 years. It has been flawless but it's time to upgrade.
 
I have no input, because I know nothing about home theater systems. But I have one and feel the need to upgrade also. At some point, I'm going to contact an audio expert for advice.

Maybe a visit to a high end home theater shop would help you with your decision?
I was about to do just that yesterday morning before I did my home test to consider what to upgrade to. I would only go there if I was going to buy something from them to make it fair to take their time. When I determined that I did not want to do the full up system upgrade, I did not go. They do not sell the SVS subwoofer that I am considering.
 
I didn't design the new house with a dedicated theater room. I think we will upgrade the sound system with the new TV purchase. Our current TV is a 50-in plasma that we've had for 14 years. It has been flawless but it's time to upgrade.
We used to have a similar vintage 50 in. plasma tv, and always thought it was great. When it went bad, we got a 65 in. OLED. We were surprised how much better it was.
 
I'd love an anti-karaoke option in the system, something that would boost dialogue clarity and reduce all other sound.
Yes, that's it. We had the TV sound turned up into the 40's and we still couldn't hear the dialog clearly. I can't see spending a bunch of money on a sound bar if the audio is still unclear. I have no problem with volume.
 
There is no doubt, none, that you would get a completely different sound out of your system with a new, larger subwoofer, especially for movies. But regular TV viewing would be enhanced as well.

The Sony has an 8" diameter speaker and 100 watts power; the SBS has a 12" speaker and 325 watts power. No contest. The frequency response of the Sony probably goes down to 30 Hz or so, and probably starts rolling off around 45 Hz.. The SBS gets down to 20 Hz and the frequency response curve is still flat.

I had a Sony 8" subwoofer with 100 watts power and replaced it with a Hsu Research VTF-2 MK5, with 350 watts and a 12" speaker. Night and day difference. I guarantee you will be able to hear (and feel) the difference with the SBS vs. the Sony.
This is good input. We just put on the opening of Saving Private Ryan where they hit the beach on D-Day. It was definitely lacking a “theater” feel. I’m pretty sure we’re going for the new subwoofer.
 
One of the problems with hearing the difference is that you need volume... you need to FEEL that bass... Keep it high like in the theater and the expensive system can make a difference...

Also, like you mention, the movies have better sound tracks... so they will sound better...

I have great speakers and a decent old receiver but do not use it... it did not integrate with my system so I have to turn on both and use one remote for TV and another for sound... then the cats would walk on my wire inputs in the back of the receiver breaking them... never did get them fixed...

Since I have new Samsung TVs I might BTD a bit and get a Samsung surround system for better sound...
 
I recently upgraded my center speaker to match my two front speakers, and it's making a huge difference. Voices are much clearer and everything sounds richer. I should have done it long ago.

Before you replace your sub, I would play around with the crossover. I assume your receiver lets you do that individually to best match each speaker's specs.
 
I have a Denon AV receiver and they provide a microphone and calibration software to optimize your listening room and separate the audio sounds to the appropriate speakers so you get the full surround sound effect. Not sure how you tested your premium speakers but you won't get that surround sound effect by just pumping an audio source through them. I found a premium center channel speaker makes a big difference, especially when it comes to clear dialogue when watching movies.
 
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Take an audio source, like some various classical tracks, and drag it around from store to store, listening and making notes. IMO there is no category of product that has been hijacked by the hucksters like this one. Listen. Listen. Listen. My solution has been the classic Klipsch line; Heresy for mains, good Klipsch subwoofer, and a Klipsch center channel fed at a very low level. Forget the modern Klipsch line; the hucksters have taken that one over.
 
I called Crutchfield and told one of their experts what I have, and asked for suggestions. I said I was very unlikely to replace the Bose Acoustimass speakers I have both my home theater room in my lower level and in my main level living/family room.

He said my receiver downstairs was still considered good, and suggested a new subwoofer to go with the Bose system. It's made a big difference there, in action movies particularly. For the main level he suggested I could upgrade my receiver. Just having bluetooth has made me use it much more for music, so that was a definite win. I don't recall if I noticed better sound since it's been 3 years.

I then said I was ready to order and would do it through him if he got any benefit from it, and he said he didn't, which gives his advice more credibility, not that I was suspicious. He never tried to get me to completely overhaul my system starting with the Bose speakers. I think I also mentioned that my ability to discern musical sounds wasn't that great, so the subwoofer and bluetooth fit improvements I could appreciate. And I did order the gear on my own.
 
I have a Denon AV receiver and they provide a microphone and calibration software to optimize your listening room and separate the audio sounds to the appropriate speakers so you get the full surround sound effect. Not sure how you tested your premium speakers but you won't get that surround sound effect by just pumping an audio source through them. I found a premium center channel speaker makes a big difference, especially when it comes to clear dialogue when watching movies.
There was a setup procedure with a microphone that did the optimization. We have a rather nice 3 driver Sony center speaker.
 
I have "upgraded" to SONOS ARC soundbars on 2 of 4 TV's once we built our house. I also have SONOS Beam on a 3rd, but left the Bose soundbar on the final tv that we don't watch often. Have several other mobile SONOS speakers. They live up to the hype IMO and am very happy. Simple, APP enabled for setup and adjustment. Highly recommend.

Flieger
I second Sonos soundbars and speakers. In our family room we have the ARC and two Era 300 rear speakers. We have two Beam soundbars at our summer and winter beach homes. We use Apple TV.
Our older home theater is still set up in our basement, but doesn’t get much use anymore.
 
I second Sonos soundbars and speakers. In our family room we have the ARC and two Era 300 rear speakers. We have two Beam soundbars at our summer and winter beach homes. We use Apple TV.
Our older home theater is still set up in our basement, but doesn’t get much use anymore.
I haven't added the rear speaker set up (yet). Do you find it significantly better? Our main TV area is so "open" that I am not sure it would benefit.

I'll add that I do have a Move that I take either in screened porch area or patio/walkout basement area.

The Sonos products also have great sound and separate settings for music as well. It has done away with our need for traditional stereo systems.

Flieger
 
Helped my BIL setup his Mcintosh system even with my poor hearing it sounded good.
 
I haven't added the rear speaker set up (yet). Do you find it significantly better? Our main TV area is so "open" that I am not sure it would benefit.

I'll add that I do have a Move that I take either in screened porch area or patio/walkout basement area.

The Sonos products also have great sound and separate settings for music as well. It has done away with our need for traditional stereo systems.

Flieger
For normal television the rear speakers are barely noticeable. For movies and when set up for music they’re great.
 
For normal television the rear speakers are barely noticeable. For movies and when set up for music they’re great.
Does it seamlessly tie in with the ARC and set up within the room using the app on your phone? I may investigate this! Sure wish they did more sales on SONOS!

Flieger
 
I recently upgraded my center speaker to match my two front speakers, and it's making a huge difference. Voices are much clearer and everything sounds richer. I should have done it long ago.

Before you replace your sub, I would play around with the crossover. I assume your receiver lets you do that individually to best match each speaker's specs.
Most dialogue comes from the center speaker. Once we got one it was a lot easier to hear the talking.
 
Does it seamlessly tie in with the ARC and set up within the room using the app on your phone? I may investigate this! Sure wish they did more sales on SONOS!

Flieger
Set up is very easy.
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I recently upgraded my center speaker to match my two front speakers, and it's making a huge difference. Voices are much clearer and everything sounds richer. I should have done it long ago.

Before you replace your sub, I would play around with the crossover. I assume your receiver lets you do that individually to best match each speaker's specs.
What can you do with $300 TVs that you can't understand dialog? I don't really desire a home theater - just a TV I can understand in the voice range.
 

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