What % do you hold in international, and why?

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Please indicate whether the % is of your whole portfolio (i.e. cash, bond, stock) or is just of the stock portion.

We currently have ~15% international (of total portfolio). This includes total international and emerging markets funds.

We are thinking of increasing our exposure but would like to see other's reasons for either holding less or more.

Still actively contributing with retirement hopefully 5-10 years away(overall asset allocation 73% stock, 18% bond, 9% cash).

Thanks!!
 
I have 20% in International stock - large value.

I think the exposure is essential given the global economy we live in. I think my 'real' exposure is higher since a lot of US companies are global and derive a significant portion of their revenues and profits outside the US.

I want to include Emerging Markets in my portfolio, but am waiting for an opportune moment to do so. It will be 5% of my portfolio. I haven't decided if I will reduce my current allocation to international-large-value to accommodate it, or reduce some other asset allocation(s).
 
VGK - 10%

The investment seeks to track the performance of the MSCI Europe index. The fund seeks to replicate the performance of the index, a market-cap-weighted index of approximately 603 stocks in 16 European countries, through portfolio optimization, a statistical sampling technique. It intends to remain fully invested in common stocks.

VPL - 10%

The investment seeks to track the performance of the MSCI Pacific index. The fund seeks to replicate performance of the MSCI Pacific index, a market-capitalization weighted index of approximately 562 stocks in Australia, Japan, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and Singapore, through portfolio optimization, a statistical sampling technique. It's policy is to remain fully invested in common stocks.

VWO - 10%

The investment seeks to track the performance of the MSCI Emerging Markets index. The fund employs a passively managed investment approach by investing all or substantially all of its assets in a representative sample of the common stocks included in the MSCI Emerging Markets index. This index includes approximately 840 common stocks of companies located in emerging markets around the world.

Why? For diversification, and because my bunion tells me that the USA is not the only story...
 
Definition of international = outside one's home country.
Since I live in Canada I consider US investments to be international.
% of total NW: 29%
% of securities: 32% and increasing
Includes International Value and International Growth funds and Venture Capital.
About 1/3 of my international exposure is in the US.
Why? because it's common sense to diversify between economies. Albeit globalization is smoothing the variability in international finance.
 
I have 17% in Int'l fund, 5% is in Emerging fund, 3% European fund, for a total of 25% of my portfolio.
I feel that the rest of the world is going to be growing faster than the US in the coming years.
I am still weighted a little bit more in US stocks - 30%. 5% in REITs rounds out the equity portion of my portfolio.
 
I hold about 21% of equities in International across all capitalizations. Sometimes I wonder if this should be higher.

But I also hold have a good chunk of Large Cap US companies, and those companies do a huge % in international sales (some > 50%), so I consider my large cap allocation to also have significant international exposure.

I have a small international bond exposure through FSCIX, a multi-sector bond fund.
I have some international REIT exposure through TAREX.

Why? same as Meadbh.

Audrey
 
My target is 50% international equities. Today it is 49.2% because I am not anal about rebalancing:
9.6% (target 10%) in Vanguard Emerging Markets,
9% (target 10%) in Matthews Asian Growth and Income,
30.6% (target 30%) in Vanguard Total International.
This is as fine as I want to slice-and-dice international.

William Bernstein Efficient Frontier convinced me that some international reduced volatility and improved returns.
Paul Merriman, FundAdvice.com - Articles, and Less Antman, Personal Financial Planning - Message Board - Yuku

convinced me that 50/50 US/international was the best mix.

Having said that, John P. Greaney, The Retire Early Home Page. , the pioneer who woke me up to reality, does not care for anything international, having seen the industrial world outside the US firsthand.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.
 
% of total port is 22% of the stock portion 30 something %. (60/40) I believe the US/bush wars are having and will have a even larger effect at some point. And because of that and general diversification it makes sense.
I'm equal in Vanguard's international value and international growth, they provide large and small in one fund in seemingly safe amounts, and are my only non-index funds, BTW, and have been good to me in recent years....shredder
 
~ 40% US, 30% international

edit: and 35% of the us is either total stock market or large-cap. so there's significant global exposure there as well (the other 5% is small-cap value)
 
34% of equity portfolio is international (Europe, Japan, Emerging).
33% of bond portfolio is international.
About 40% of cash is international.
 
75/25 stock/fixed income aa

55% US 45% Int stocks

Its a global economy. I buy into being globally diversified. 10% of INT is EM the rest is a Global Index fund.
 
50 % International Equities - Large, Small and Emerging Markets including China and the rest of Asia.

33% International FI - Unhedged bond fund
 
30% of my stock allocation is international which translates to 18% of my total portfolio (based on 60/40). I hold my international position for two reasons: 1) to capture some growth outside the US, and 2) as somewhat of a hedge against a crappy dollar. Most of my intl allocation is in a broadbased fund but I do have exposure to emerging markets.
 
21% of our total ER portfolio is in PowerShares International Dividend ETF (PID) and another 2% is in Tate & Lyle PLC (TATYY, makers of Splenda).

The dollar's still dropping and international markets are growing faster. We chose PID because it's derived from Mergent's dividend achievers index, which seems to be about the only truth of international financial reporting. TATYY is paying a 5% dividend on our purchase price, too.
 
0%. I invest in individual stocks, and my analysis is dependant upon financial
histories of the stocks. Financial reporting standards of non-US stocks (except
the UK) is not up to US standards - at least not as of a few years ago. I get
foreign exposure by owning stock in companies with large international
presences - PG, JNJ, GE, etc.
 
about 10%. with the dollar having taken its huge tumble and all of our growth being dependent on each other from the looks of the market action i see no reason to introduce another variable into my mix, which way is the dollar headed from here. looks like when anyone tanks we all hold hands

fidelity total equity income fund ftiex

ishares international dividend achievers pid
 
0%. I invest in individual stocks, and my analysis is dependant upon financial
histories of the stocks. Financial reporting standards of non-US stocks (except
the UK) is not up to US standards - at least not as of a few years ago. I get
foreign exposure by owning stock in companies with large international
presences - PG, JNJ, GE, etc.

Is this still true for the large European and Japanese ADRs?
 
  • 40% of Equity exposure is International
  • 30% of International is Emerging Markets
I have started to build a position in GIM (international bonds) but it is still less than 1% of portfolio.

I have started looking at DLS and DGS for international small cap exposure but haven't bought any yet. Anyone have any opinions on them or other small cap international plays?

Reasons: Same as cited above. Diversification away from the US market. Potential for higher growth in emerging markets.

Jim Jubak at MSN Money has a recent column suggesting the possibility that the US markets could be following in the path of the Japanese equities and RE markets, i.e. a long, slow, painful down/sideways market. I try to think of these sort of events in term of probability. I don't think that it is extremely likely but I think that there is say a 10-20% probability that the US market could go sideway for the next 10-15 years.

Think of what happened if you were Japanese and REed in 1990 with all of your assets in the Japanese market. Now think about how much better of you would be if you had half in non-Japanese equities. I think that case study alone is a sufficiently strong argument for international exposure.

Not to make this a political thread but the events of the last 7 years or so have greatly reinforced my opinion of the possible benefits for international exposure.

MB
 
I have Target Retirement 2015 for real money - thus holding International cause they do. As to why they hold the % they do - I haven't a clue - and suspect THEY DON"T EITHER!! They pulled an amount out out of you know where - and called it based on experience/common sense or whatever. I suspect there is a 'mythical composite American Investor' they have in mind with an exact 86.3 lifespan like mine(tongue in cheek).

Sooooo - as long as I am somewhere near Kansas and the yellow brick road - I will defer to Vanguard. P.S. - I went to AAII meetings in the 80's/early 90's and was maybe 30-40% International range when it was in vogue.

After forty years of reading stupid books, I don't think anybody has a clue of how to 'properly' select asset classes.

Overstated - but I would like to see the academic theory - as to why one should hold 'an whole Earth cap weighted stock/fixed income portfolio' in the accumulation or distribution phase.

Oh Yeah - I do believe the Pats have a good football team.

Should I put more distance between me and Kansas - my portfolio would change dramatically - to what I'm not sure but the fixed would be the first to get some changed to local currency.

Hmmm - in contrast, don't Billy and Akaisha hold a 500Index type portfolio and only convert cash they need??

Old, blockheaded and opinionated - but I'll be the first to admit after forty years of investing I haven't got a clue.

heh heh heh - :cool: Do know my current portfolio yield is 3% and can say psssst - Wellesley! :D.

And yes the Pats have a good football team.
 
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After allowing for some cash reserve, my portfolio is 50-50 equity/fixed.
Of the equity, 20% is in the Vanguard International Equity Index (that is, 10% of total portfolio.) I'm splitting the difference between those who say you should have lots of exposure to international equities and John Bogel who says that due to the amount of business S&P 500 companies do overseas, you have international exposure even if you stay "doomestic". I don't pretend to know the right answer, but during this 2008 downturn, international and domestic have not been as negatatively correlated as I might have liked.
 
Thanks for everyone's feedback! It's been most helpful.

I have started looking at DLS and DGS for international small cap exposure but haven't bought any yet. Anyone have any opinions on them or other small cap international plays?

We have an IRA account with T. Rowe Price so I'm looking at TRP International Discovery (T. Rowe Price International Discovery Report (PRIDX) | Snapshot), but it's expense ratio hurts (1.24%). It is internat. small/mid cap growth (but more mid than small)
 
Thanks for everyone's feedback! It's been most helpful.



We have an IRA account with T. Rowe Price so I'm looking at TRP International Discovery (T. Rowe Price International Discovery Report (PRIDX) | Snapshot), but it's expense ratio hurts (1.24%). It is internat. small/mid cap growth (but more mid than small)

I like TRP and a good chunk of my non-indexed money is in TRP Small Cap Value and New Asia but I was trying to find something cheaper than International Discovery although for international small cap 1.24% really isn't that bad.

During the time that I have been following them the two exchange traded funds that I cited have had low volume and large spreads - so also expensive just in a different way.

MB
 
About 10% of our portfolio is in DLS; a smaller chunk in DGS. So far we have only lost money. Bought DLS last June, sold all in August and bought GWX in a tax-loss-harvesting move. Sold all GWX in January and bought DLS.

We are probably down almost 20% in total on this stuff. We had more than doubled our money in small cap int'l in the previous 3 years in mutual funds with high expense ratios. I guess it's better to lose money in a low expense ratio place than in a high expense ratio place. At least the tax loss harvesting let us get out of the high e.r. fund without paying any taxes.

[edit] Daily trading volume in DLS and GWX is certainly reasonable nowadays. Bid/ask spread is around 10 cents. Certainly use limit orders and look at the NAV so that you are not paying too much relative to NAV.
 
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Just under 15% int'l. Of that, roughly 2/3 in Fidelity Int'l Discovery and 1/3 PID. Would like to add a small % to emerging markets when the time is appropriate.
 

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