Where would you like to go?

We're going to have a lot of fun when DW teaches me
how to post photos.

JG
 
Which one is your husband, the one in the cap or
the silvery fellow will his mouth open?

JG
 
Crap...I had my reply all ready until I saw that JG beat me to it... :(

Guess I should quit sleeping until 10am...
 
WOW CT! Your wife is HOT! Thank goodness your daughter takes after her! ;) That is a huge fish! You are young and retired, married well and can catch 25 pounders with a single flick of the wrist. Some guys get all the luck! Just don't ever look to me for sympathy! :D
 
We're going to have a lot of fun when DW teaches me
how to post photos.

JG

Yup John, We are all waiting to see what you really look like in 2005 not 1975. No cheating either! :D
 
It is a little spooky that you look like Mel Gibson. I'm sure he's a good looking guy, but as a practicing Catholic, even I find him a way too religious! :D Is he your evil twin? ;)
 
- I'm a non-practicing Catholic (ex-altar boy - and never was hit on by a priest :D)

I spent a couple of years in the B&D school of catholicism aka "private catholic school". I still believe you can make out some of the marks left on me by those metal edged rulers.

So do you ever wonder why the priests didnt hit on you? ;)
 
I went to Catholic school too. So did my 2 brothers and sister. No priest ever acted weirdly toward any of us, or toward anyone that we ever knew or even heard of.

It may be that the quality control on seminarian intake slipped somewhere along the way. It also may be that some of these allegations are not very strong.

Mikey
 
Mikey, I think the incidence is probably not that much higher (if at all) than in the general population. But the last statistic I saw was one in ten boys and one in three girls were molested in their lifetimes. I think the issue is they were in a position of trust and there was an overt attempt to cover up even the most egregious betrayals. The sin was human failings (which still, by the way, deserve serious jailtime in my opinion), the cover up was a much worse evil and evidence of a system that needs correction.

BTW, to those of you wondering why I say I'm republican and bash Bush, and a Catholic and wrote the above, I promise I'm not a trouble maker, I just believe if you can't look at the problems in your own house, you better not have a thing to say about what you see outside of it. But how did we get on this? Let's get back to talking about C-T's attractive family! (Better stop now, he's going to track me down and use all those martial arts skills he learned in the lethal weapon series to kick my a**!) ;)
 
But the last statistic I saw was one in ten boys and one in three girls were molested in their lifetimes.  
Laurence, by this do you mean between birth and age 18; or between birth and death? If the former, does it include high school kids "molesting" one another?

It is awfully hard to imagine that one of 3 three girls is molested by an adult prior to her becoming an adult herself. I don't know any valid statistics at all, but this sounds fishy, doesn't it?

Mikey
 
" It is awfully hard to imagine that one of 3 three girls is molested by an adult prior to her becoming an adult herself. I don't know any valid statistics at all, but this sounds fishy, doesn't it? "

78% of all statistics are fabricated. Including this one.
 
Someone said "I don't believe anything I read and only'half what I see!' Also, "There are lies, damn lies
and statistics!" Be skeptical. It pays off.

JG
 
I'll report, you decide! ;)

It referred to before age 18, I was a women's study major before I became an Econ major, I think I still have the book if you want me to dig it out and give you an exact quote. I'm sure you can get stats from a search on google. Most victims are not abused by strangers ala middle of the night amber alert kidnappings. It's family and family friends, and these a**holes are very adroit at manipulating a child's mind into thinking it's their fault, no one will believe them, etc. so that it goes unreported. Hey, I'm not telling you to not be skeptical, do your own research and let me know what you find.
 
What's the story here?


I'm a closet militant feminist. :) No really, my mom was very active in NOW (Los Angeles chapter president?) I marched for the ERA (as a 6 year old ;) ) . My favorite artist is Tori Amos (my daughter's name is Victoria and I call here Tori for short!). I was Wiccan for a while. So you can see why I have problems being affiliated with any party/movement/etc. because my views are all over the board, politically. It's great because I have a pretty positive sense of self, but sometimes I wish I had a candidate I wanted to vote for. :-/
 
Doesn't explain where the 1 out of 3 conclusion came from. I recently read the same number in the WSJ. I am not comfortable with it either. Be nice to know more about how it was arrived at and exactly what fell into the definition of abuse.


I'll see if I can come up with some methodology on this number, may take me some time to go through my dusty spriral bound notebooks. I can tell you that some "extrapolation" is done due to estimates of underreporting, so no one has an exact percentage. But even if this was a ten fold exxageration, it's still far too many. I'll post it under other topics since this isn't the appropriate thread, sorry for the hijacking!
 
Laurence, you don't have to do my homework.

After hearing your backround, I have decided I will adopt you--you would make a fine son. Hey, I get an immediate grandchild too. :)
 
LOL! Thank you, Martha I'm honored! But you realize that you will now get your inbox flooded with pictures of her! Her birthday is September 18th, I'll let you know what size she wears! ;)
 
I think Laurence is a conservative lesbian trapped in a mans body ;)

As with any stats, this one is highly manipulatable. I think a lot of disgusting funny business DOES go on, but its impossible to measure.

For example, in this case 'unwanted touching' or showing of a variety of pornographic or other undesireable 'material' counts as abuse. Now...what is 'unwanted touching'...is it lingering over a diaper change? Whats pornography? Does holding a 3 month old baby while watching an R rated movie count?

Depends on who is doing the stat collecting, who spins the results, and which organization stands to get higher membership and higher donations by pushing the envelope a little.

There are weirdo's everywhere, but as Laurence suggests the problem here was not a few 'bad priests', but how the church handled the situation. With enron and worldcom, you can sort of expect a coverup. Not here.
 
I've been acused of being a male lesbian before! I hope you are right TH. We can only make sure we do a good job protecting our own children, not just with locked doors but with love and an understanding of their own self worth and the confidence to be an advocate for themselves when Mom and Dad aren't around. Think globally, act locally? :)
 
oooh! But also, if we see a child we suspect of being abused, speak out! I know it must be difficult, but too many people turn a blind eye. O.K., I'm stopping now. What was this thread about? :)
 
I've 'discovered' abuse twice. My knuckles hurt for about a week afterwards, but it was worth it.

Seems like thread hijacking is a way of life around here. Maybe Ben is right and we dont need all these fori, just one long thread... ;)
 
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