Will this be the last DST change?

When will DST be eliminated?

  • Next year

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Within 5 years

    Votes: 17 16.3%
  • Within 10 years

    Votes: 14 13.5%
  • Never

    Votes: 71 68.3%

  • Total voters
    104
  • Poll closed .
If it changes permanently I hope we keep the DST.
I hate the dark and think that early morning daylight hours are a waste. When I worked I was too busy rushing around getting ready to go to work and now that I'm retired-I'm not getting up at the crack of dawn!

There, I said it. 😆
I hope we keep Standard Time. I hate waking up to darkness. I would rather it be dark at 6pm when I leave work.
 
The argument I always hear is that kids would have to go to school in the dark, making a safety hazard.

I get up very early so it's dark year round for my first cup of coffee, so it doesn't matter to me.
 
Another option is to find a way to capture and transport sunlight. Maybe some giant mirrors in outer space. If the Egyptians could use mirrors to illuminate inside the pyramids we should be able to do something similar on a larger scale.
I knew an aerospace scientist named Peter Glaser from Arthur D. Little who actually proposed this.

Meanwhile, there are several proposals now to inject stuff into the upper atmosphere to reduce sunlight reaching the earth.
 
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Any sunlight before I wake up in the morning is wasted, so I would prefer it to be light later in the day.
 
That actually makes the least sense. Then you're extending the central standard time even more eastwardly in states like Tennessee and Kentucky, so it will get dark so early in December, even worse than Chicago and Nashville are now. Best idea I've seen yet is just keeping the zones as they are but keeping DST year round.
Based on the solar map posted by @foxcreek9, the eastern edge of the Central Time Zone should be further east than it is today (15 degrees of longitude). It should include the entire states of Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Michigan. Then it will be safer to have DST all year round.
 
Based on the solar map posted by @foxcreek9, the eastern edge of the Central Time Zone should be further east than it is today (15 degrees of longitude). It should include the entire states of Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Michigan. Then it will be safer to have DST all year round.
But the post I responded to didn't say anything about changing to DST year round. Moving those zones further east, without changing to DST or otherwise moving the clocks ahead, would just make it dark very early in December in those eastern parts of the time zone. It already gets dark too soon in Chicago, so it would be even worse in those areas to the east if they were suddenly included in the central time zone.
 
The Association of Retired Software Engineers has introduced a novel solution to the ST, DST dilemma. Spokesperson Earl Rieser illuminated the issue, "For people living at the west edge of a time zone, winter DST means getting up and out of the house before sunrise. For people at the east edge. summer ST means early sunlight is wasted at 4 am when they are still in bed."

The proposed solution this publication pulled from ARSE is to double the number of time zones from 24 to 48, and to give each day 48 hours. "That way the eastern and western folks can each have their own time zones, ones that more closely match their local sunrise and sunset," commented Mr. Rieser. "We don't do things half way here."

Group President Jack Cassidy added, "Virtually every piece of software would need to be reprogrammed, and our membership can help. Think of the vast number of jobs that will be created. Everyone knows more jobs are good for the economy. Politicians will be kissing us!"
 
I like the idea of doing away with time zones worldwide so that everyone is on "universal time". If you set up a Zoom meeting for 14:00, it's the same time no matter where you are in the world.

I've been saying this for decades, since I first had conference calls (phone calls) across time zones! Outlook now uses UTC behind the scenes, so it knows that 3pm ET is noon PT, but it used to be a huge pain. I don't know why it matters if we wake up at 7am or 1100 hours, or eat lunch at noon or 1600 hours, there's nothing sacred about midnight or the time of day. But I have found that very few people agree with us!
 
I would say that is only a matter of time...

Ontario already has legislation on the books that has us going to permanent EDT but it is dependent on New York and Quebec also making the change. My son lives in a part of British Columbia that does not change its clocks so time difference changes when we change our clocks. I'm not a morning person so I would prefer permanent EDT and when I worked in Saskatchewan (which doesn't use DST) and when at my son's place I don't really appreciate the sun coming up at 4:15 am.

And yes using UT as a standard seems very logical although perhaps just in the background. This is effectively what China does I think by using a single time zone instead of the 5 they had before the PRC was formed.
 
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Back in the '80's I believe we had one of our plants in central Indiana that did not go on DST when the rest of the state did. Don't know if it was a county or what. Anyway that caused lots of problems trying to schedule deliveries and pickups because of having to confirm the the times different than the rest of the state. I think they finally dropped it and went to DST, but for a while it was pretty confusing.
 
I cannot understand why it persists. There is no logical reason why something proven to be detrimental is continued, none whatsoever. It is one of the few things that partisan politicians seem to be able to agree with and that puts it into a special class of conspiracy theory.

I despised the 55-MPH speed limit and I despise changing the clocks. I really don't care which becomes the standard, it is the inconvenience of changing schedule twice a year for absolutely no objective reason.
 
I cannot understand why it persists. There is no logical reason why something proven to be detrimental is continued, none whatsoever. It is one of the few things that partisan politicians seem to be able to agree with and that puts it into a special class of conspiracy theory.

I despised the 55-MPH speed limit and I despise changing the clocks. I really don't care which becomes the standard, it is the inconvenience of changing schedule twice a year for absolutely no objective reason.
Because where I live people don’t want sunrise at 4 something in the morning during summer (standard time year round) or sunrise at 915 during winter for those on the western edge of eastern time zone. Changing the time zone boundaries would help, but that will never happen.
 
I cannot understand why it persists. There is no logical reason why something proven to be detrimental is continued, none whatsoever.
The sun is going to come up and go down at times more and less convenient to the places that have to maintain "hours of business". There are plenty of businesses that maintain their own calendar (summer hours start on such and such day, and last until...) But there are other businesses that keep the same hours all year long, and let DST do the heavy lifting. Under the no DST proposal, the businesses that like the government's schedule and don't have to put effort into making their own calendar would have more work to do.

When I'm going somewhere, I put it into Google Maps and it tells me if it's not open yet, or if it's about to close, so if businesses change their schedules at random dates, I'm less bothered. But what if school starts 1/2 hour before work (drop off the kids), then school or work picks a different date to start winter hours? If one place changes hours two weeks before the other, your boss isn't going to be happy with your excuse that you're going to be late every day for the next two weeks.
 
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We just go by sunrise and sunset times so it makes little difference to us.

We live near latitude 26 degrees so the days don’t get wildly shorter. 10.5 hours on winter solstice.

I am looking forward to that when we move to Panama, there the days are almost all the same year round.
 
The worst part about the changing times is that I am one of those that does not ever need an alarm, I wake up around 5am every day, so now I am waking up at 4am and have to force myself to stay in bed longer. After a few weeks my body adapts, but it is so not necessary.
 
The worst part about the changing times is that I am one of those that does not ever need an alarm, I wake up around 5am every day, so now I am waking up at 4am and have to force myself to stay in bed longer. After a few weeks my body adapts, but it is so not necessary.
Why do you have to force yourself to stay in bed longer? Why not get up at 4am and go to bed an hour earlier which should feel natural.
 
Why do you have to force yourself to stay in bed longer? Why not get up at 4am and go to bed an hour earlier which should feel natural.
Maybe the coffee pot triggers at 5am. No need getting up before then. Wait a minute... I gotta find the coffee pot user manual to figure out how to change the clock on it.
 
Maybe the coffee pot triggers at 5am. No need getting up before then. Wait a minute... I gotta find the coffee pot user manual to figure out how to change the clock on it.
Ha ha.

If the coffee pot is able to change its own time by tracking DST then that is one smart coffee pot! I kind of doubt it and it will be stuck on the old time like the sleeper.
 
[...] But what if school starts 1/2 hour before work (drop off the kids), then school or work picks a different date to start winter hours? If one place changes hours two weeks before the other, your boss isn't going to be happy with your excuse that you're going to be late every day for the next two weeks.
Most employers are quite aware of the local school schedule. Even small employers with no parents for employees will see big differences in commute times based on the school schedule. Although I work with some 24-hour call center people (help/info lines, not sales!), and since their work is all on the phone, they can work from home anywhere in the country. But they already need to arrange for differing shifts that meet if not overlap, so it shouldn't be that different.
 
Why do you have to force yourself to stay in bed longer? Why not get up at 4am and go to bed an hour earlier which should feel natural.

I normally go to bed by 10, I really do not want to move it to 9, as on many days my wife is not even home from work till after 8.

If we were already retired I might go with that, but having any sort of social life in the evenings would be shot.
 
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