Willingly paying more to avoid travel discomforts at 60+

Of course accounting looks and thinks, you drink a lot of booze in the morning :ROFLMAO: :hide:
Lol! But seriously, as the #2 or #3 (depending on the day) person in the corporation, my expense submissions weren't really up for scrutiny.

Ski trips in the Alps and that customer from Germany who wanted a motorcycle come to mind. It was a different time for sure!

(Well, actually, the CEO wasn't happy about the motorcycle after the fact)
 
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Tip: Schipoll has a hotel inside of security. They rent by half day rates, nice shower, comfy bed, wake up call, and.....the invoice lists it as a "bar" expense in case corporate accounting gets curious and won't pay for a hotel.
I did not realize that Schiphol had a hotel inside security.
 
I did not realize that Schiphol had a hotel inside security.
Last I looked, there were two in different concourses. Not fancy, more like something on an inside cabin on a cheap cruise ship but if you're wiped out and have a long layover, it gets the job done. Very clean, very quiet,
 
Last I looked, there were two in different concourses.
Yeah, looked it up. Interesting. Also KLM “cabins”.

I’ve stayed at Schiphol but always the night before a morning flight.
 
Yeah, looked it up. Interesting. Also KLM “cabins”.

I’ve stayed at Schiphol but always the night before a morning flight.
But Air Malaysia vip first class "lounge" inside security in Kuala Lumpur is really something to experience! One of the nicest "hotel" rooms I've ever been in. First four hours are free but you'd want to stay forever!
 
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I've been thinking a lot lately about what type of travel works for me as I head into my mid-60s. As part of this, on my latest trip to Europe I continuously evaluated how well I handled the discomforts of travel.

The good news:

-- To my surprise, I find jet lag more manageable nowadays. Since I can't sleep on flights, I used to force myself to stay up until the local bedtime, the result being that it would take me a good week to feel normal. Now, I sleep five to six hours immediately after arriving (morning or early afternoon best) and then hit the bed again at the regular time for a few more hours. After a couple of days, I'm feeling pretty OK.

-- It used to take me a while to adjust to new beds, but now that's no longer an issue.

-- Thanks to Global Entry, my re-entry to the U.S. was incredibly fast. Five seconds for a facial scan and done. So glad I signed up years ago.

The bad news:

-- I hate long flights more than ever. Much more. The seat on my Delta flight was so uncomfortable that I had to put a pillow under my butt. Making the whole ordeal worse is the fact that airlines expect us to arrive at the airport ridiculously early. Delta strongly suggested I arrive four hours before my first flight of two!

I subsequently made several promises to myself:

-- Pay more for flight comfort (although I still can't swallow the cost of first class). Never sit in a middle seat again. Never do a connecting flight again, even if I have to adjust my itinerary to ensure I end up in a city with a direct flight back. If I'm going to a far-flung locale, I'll fly first to a city along the way, stay there for a few days, and then take another flight to the final destination; upon my return, I'll do a variation on the same.

-- Opt for better quality Airbnbs or hotels. On this trip, I stayed in a miniscule Airbnb -- admittedly, in an ideal location. However, the washer was broken, the hand shower attachment was also broken, and there was little cutlery or the ability to clean/dry plates. It's worth paying more to avoid these issues.

-- Perhaps focus less on land trips and more on cruises.

We are different. We have enough money to buy all the goodies, but why?
I'm older than you. We traveled to Europe at least 20 times. We have been to the Far East, Australia (2025), and NZ (2024). We always fly in the main cabin. I got a great seat cushion that I found on Amazon. Even if I go to a local upholsterer and order a special seat for $200 it's still OK.
I don't sleep great on planes, but melatonin helps a lot. I don't get a long jet lag, I keep taking melatonin in the next several days and I walk outside in the sun. I usually get to the destination in the morning, rent a car and start driving. Anytime I'm sleepy I take a nap. In the first days, it may be 3-4 times. Even when I sleep well and I'm tired, I take a nap. I have been napping once a day since I was a kid.

Flights: unless it's a first class, where the seat goes all the way down, I don't see the need. If I can save $400 per person to Europe with one stop, I will take it.
The worst choice IMO, are the comfort class at Delta, they make the airlines the most amount of money. The seat size is the same, you just get an extra 2-3 inches in length between the rows. I never had a problem finding space for my carry-ons.
There is no way to get around the total time of traveling when you fly fast.
Hotels: I usually find great deals, that's the key. A 3-star hotel can be better than a 4-star hotel. We love smaller, more personal hotels. That doesn't mean a smaller room. Finding great hotels takes me more time than anything else.
Cruises: not for us outside of the Caribbean. We like to enjoy the culture, the cities, and the people; you can't do that with a cruise.

For use, travel means being busy. We can rest at home.
 
and i'm probably a young person chiming in but recently i've been getting done with coach. I would say probably in the last year. I upgraded all of us to business on way back from Japan this summer because I can't stand the idea of being cramped. I'm debating spluring on business on the way over. I have premium economy because of status for DH and I and the 2 kids. I have both kids on miles both ways. He travels a good clip and we seem to accumulate miles faster than we spend it.

I'm starting to realize that life is short and domestic flights we get extra comfort from status. So I'm spoiled already and he's always upgraded to first when he's not with us. But I only hesistate because we have the kids. Getting them used to only flying business international seems a bit crazy.
 
Our snowbird flight is about 5 hours so we don't bother to upgrade as we feel the extra money isn't worth it.

I'm 5'7", wife is 5'4" so that helps. Plus I'm in good shape so sitting for that long isn't an issue.

I pack some quality snacks and have a good book ready to go on my e-reader, and it's relatively painless.
 
I did not realize that Schiphol had a hotel inside security.
Yes it does. At least one of them is inside the international transfer zone.

On one of my first trips to Europe I messed up because of my ignorance of their common use of the 24 hour clock. On my return trip home, I was to arrive at 4:00 PM and fly back to the USA at 8:00. At the last minute I realized that was 8 AM the next day. I found a pod hotel in the international transfer zone, and spent the night in a room not much bigger than a walk-in closet. The next morning I got up early, wandered to a cafe in the zone for breakfast, and then strolled to the gate where my flight was leaving. Very nice.
 
+1 on your idea of stopping a day or two rather than connecting flights. The only downside is dealing with the whole airport thing twice as much.

That's a good point. I'll have to factor that in.

HOWEVER, my best friend, who I travel with about 50% of the time, is very frugal (and admittedly, has less money than I do). He always wants the cheapest everything. So he sits in coach when I’m up front. And we stay in lower end accommodations when he is with me. We make it work.

I traveled recently with a very frugal friend. He has more money than me, but he was all set to drag his roller bag over cobblestone streets for 45 minutes to get from the railway station to the hotel. I had to insist we take an Uber, and I paid for it.

There was a time I simply said to myself "You're gonna be miserable for a day as you travel - but you're gonna save a fortune by flying 'cattle car' instead of First class."

What I found out as I aged: The misery hung on for a few days. All the cramped seating and hard seat cushions caused issues for days to come. SO, we have moved all the way up to Economy Plus. Eventually, should we live so long, we'll likely go ahead and spring for even more comfort in business or First Class. Just not yet and YMMV.

Based on what everyone is saying, I think I'll try premium economy first, and if that's not comfortable enough, opt for business class despite the much higher cost.

I honestly would be pretty happy never traveling again at all. I am sitting here now, in my home, with a cup of coffee, sort of browsing the web while reading a few chapters of a book series I may ditch soon as it is becoming too much of a trope. Within a 30 second walk is a game room, my woodshop, electronics tinkering station, or I could watch the sun set on the mountains on the back deck.

I mean getting felt up by TSA and then doing Cool Hand Luke in a metal box for 10 hours just to check into a room that 100 other people have done questionable things in over the past year doesn't sound quite as good as my life now.

Some days I feel like this. I'm taking it one trip at a time, and each time I ask myself what I'm getting out of travel, since the experience is so different at 60+ and nowadays so many places are overrun with tourists.

I've been upgrading to Business Class on long haul overseas flights and occasionally on US domestic flights. I mostly fly United and buy the cheaper seats and then log into my account and buy the upgrade to Business. It's cheaper than buying fully refundable Business ticket but my understanding is if I change the ticket to a different flight I forfeit the upgrade.

That's a good tip...and caveat. I was unaware of either.

My thanks to everyone who posted responses. I'm obviously not the only one going through this shift in mindset.
 
Based on what everyone is saying, I think I'll try premium economy first, and if that's not comfortable enough, opt for business class despite the much higher cost.
Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best there is.
(Snap On)
 
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Just booked a direct flight from Qatar to Seattle. Not looking forward to an 11 hour flight. That’ll be the longest flight I’ve ever been on. There were other choices, but all had connections somewhere.

Paid extra for some version “comfort plus” and an aisle seat! Hoping those comforts along with a couple of drinks during the flight will ease the pain!
 
Just booked a direct flight from Qatar to Seattle. Not looking forward to an 11 hour flight. That’ll be the longest flight I’ve ever been on. There were other choices, but all had connections somewhere.
Is that non-stop from Doha to Seattle? You used the word "direct,” which has a different meaning. The non-stop is 14 hours 40 minutes. :oops:
 
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Is that non-stop from Doha to Seattle? You used the word "direct,” which has a different meaning. The non-stop is 14 hours 40 minutes. :oops:
Yes. This confuses people. Non stop means what it says.

"Direct" generally means either a connection or stopping somewhere for refueling or passenger changes without changing the flight number. (But most often it means a connection)
 
Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best there is.
(Snap On)
The difference is that a tool can last decades where a flight is just a few hours. Many people can't justify the extra expense, and many people just aren't that uncomfortable in economy.

And not everyone has unlimited funds.
 
"Direct" generally means either a connection or stopping somewhere for refueling or passenger changes without changing the flight number. (But most often it means a connection)

"Direct" is a really mushy marketing term. It used to mean it stopped somewhere the let off and take off passengers. If that stop was not your destination you stayed on the plane. DH and I once had a "direct" flight from Pittsburgh to Edinburgh, single flight number. that stopped in JFK. We had to get off the plane, go to another terminal, go through the TSA again and board a completely different aircraft. Of course we got credit only for mileage from our home airport to PHL and PHL to EDI- not the actual miles flown. Calling that "direct "should be illegal.

Back to the OT- I've booked a trip to Patagonia and the Chilean fjords in March. Easter Island was an available post-trip. I looked at booking my own from Santiago, where the tour ends. I'm pretty good at research and planning but this had too many moving parts. Flights to and from Santiago, hotel, getting between the airport and the hotel, booking a tour..I called the tour company and booked the post-trip. Probably cost me another $1,500 but I've had 7 trips with them and they do an excellent job. They even include another excursion the morning after landing and a day room at the hotel near Santiago airport since the only flight from Easter Island lands at 9 PM, too short a layover to catch flights leaving to the US (mine leaves at 11 PM).

I'm planning to upgrade to Business class between Santiago and Easter Island- it's a 5-hour flight. :)
 
Not directly cost related, but we are taking a 12:45pm flight today. It is our first flight after 9am. We are more relaxed because of it. I figured out that when we arrived in the morning, we were still too tired to do anything that day, so no real difference. Perhaps a little more in cost in the end.
 
I know this thread is about spending money for comfort, but I don't think what they call premium economy does much for people with a normal length femur. The only thing the airlines have that I want is space. I have the credit card to get me on before most, so I get overhead space. The couple of inches of improved "rake" of premium economy isn't worth anything to me. The credit card takes care of checked baggage fees. I don't want their drinks or snacks. So for me it's cattle class or business class... nothing in between.
 
I did fly Premium Economy once from London and got a seat just behind the bulkhead row in Economy- with no seat in front of me. Endless leg room! I agree, though- for me it's Business Class on long hauls and regular Economy otherwise.

Interesting observation on my flight from Vienna to Dulles last month- I was in Business Class and they had empty seats. They offered them to anyone willing to pay $1,000 to upgrade. There were no takers. I'm guessing that this practice will reduce the number of Business Class seats available for upgrading with miles (i.e., purchasing Economy and then requesting the upgrade with miles, which may or may not come through).
 
The difference is that a tool can last decades where a flight is just a few hours. Many people can't justify the extra expense, and many people just aren't that uncomfortable in economy.
Agree. But the thread is about people who are willing to pay more to avoid travel discomfort.

I'm fine if people are happy in coach. If everyone flew First, there'd be no room for me! 😆
 
I know this thread is about spending money for comfort, but I don't think what they call premium economy does much for people with a normal length femur. The only thing the airlines have that I want is space. I have the credit card to get me on before most, so I get overhead space. The couple of inches of improved "rake" of premium economy isn't worth anything to me. The credit card takes care of checked baggage fees. I don't want their drinks or snacks. So for me it's cattle class or business class... nothing in between.
We flew back from France in Premium Economy on AA. It was basically the same as domestic First Class in terms of space and seating. Nice, but yeah I don't think I'd get much sleep on the overnight flight going outbound. More than regular economy, but not much.

Still, this trip made it clear to me that some upgrade beyond the main cabin is just going to be mandatory for any more long flights (over 4 hours I think). Business when it's not crazy, PC when it is, or a combo where we go business out, PC home, or reverse, making sure the best seat is the one I want to sleep in.
 
Agree. But the thread is about people who are willing to pay more to avoid travel discomfort.

I'm fine if people are happy in coach. If everyone flew First, there'd be no room for me! 😆
I'll pay more for comfort, but it has to be a good value. While I won't pay for upgrades on flights, I'll gladly pay for a balcony room on a cruise. That adds a lot of value to more lengthy time spent. At least it does for me.
 
DH was 15 years older and that happened to him first. He was also over 6 feet tall and had a creaky back. The ONE time we were able to upgrade to Business Class with miles was coming home from Scotland in October, 2001 (yeah, you can guess why the seats were available) and I think he liked it. We still flew Coach across the Atlantic a lot but after one trip years later he said it was just too much and he'd like to fly Business Class in transatlantic from now on. We made it work- I was flying between KC and Bangalore, London and Zurich in Business Class for work so accumulating miles at a good clip.

One thing to add to the list: I'm looking at a side trip to Easter Island from a South American tour next year. Tour ends in Santiago. Flights FROM Easter Island are once a day, landing in Santiago around 9 PM. The only reasonable itinerary from Santiago to my home airport (others have 2+ connections) leaves Santiago around 11 PM. I don't want to take the chance of missing that connection (apparently you have to go through Customs and Immigration even though Easter Island is part of Chile) so I'll spend a night near the airport- but I just realized life would be far easier if I booked a second night as well so I could hang out in the room before my flight rather than checking out at 11 AM and waiting 12 hours till my flight time. It's another $178. BTD.
I recently flew LATAM to and from Easter Island from Santiago. I got a much better price by using the Chile version of the LATAM website, FYI.
 
I recently flew LATAM to and from Easter Island from Santiago. I got a much better price by using the Chile version of the LATAM website, FYI.
Thanks for this! I may use this in the future but since the tour company is organizing that portion they have to get the upgrade. They claim to get discounted fares. I always book my own flights to/from the tour independently so I have more control but I've noticed that if I try to give the airline a Frequent Flyer number for a flight included in the tour I don't get any credit, (same with hotels) so I'm guessing they get some sort of reduced rate and have some leverage. They can also book only 6 months so I have to wait a few days. I know what the difference is on the LATAM site. It will be interesting to see what the tour company comes up with.
 
Agree. But the thread is about people who are willing to pay more to avoid travel discomfort.
I was responding to the comment that "no one was sorry they bought they best there ever was" where tools were mentioned.

With regards to flights, an upgrade isn't always worth the extra money.e
 
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