wireless mesh router?

I'd vote the Asus Zen. no subscriptions etc. it is working well, but lucky for me I could run one wire from basement so i have wired backhaul. But the game is to get rid of all wires for devices, and this unit does that very well. Great site for this is: dongknows.com. Brilliant work done there, real life setting.
 
Ive been using Eero for 3 years and it has been bullet proof. No downtime due to Eero. Very easy to setup as well.

We just switched internet providers and I asked the installer what he recommended. We have the first gen Nest and it's junk. (But I hate to spend the $400 it would take to replace it.)

But the intstaller recommended Eero. He said that he's heard nothing but good things about it.
 
Costco has the 4 port Google Wifi Pro on sale for $339.99 I saw in the last flyer. That would be pretty bulletproof for a few years.

We still are on the original Google WiFi. Still works great, but I can see where heavy streaming data loads force an upgrade.
 
We're already pretty heavily involved with Amazon's Alexa - just picked up two 5th gen Echo Dots during the Prime day sale for $24 each with a bonus smart plug. Got them at least partially because they incorporate Eero extenders. They also sound better than the older Dots and incorporate and ultrasonic motion temperature sensors. Creeping toward the future...
 
I have been in IT since 1980, you can do the math. 😊

We only had DSL until we received a Starlink dish a year and a half ago. When we were using DSL, I worked diligently to optimize our access. We were getting about 3-4MB. With that said, we were able to stream or work from home, but not both at the same time. This taught me to be extremely frugal and optimized everything , everywhere I could.

There are so many variables to consider, as I had as many devices hardwired as possible. Most of this was hard wired with 20+ year old CAT5. For instance, the distance from an access point will proportionally diminish the internet speed. Another thing to consider is an access point can only handle a set number of devices. For us I needed three access points to cover our 5200 sf home (2600 up and 2600 down) for the number of wireless devices we had, not for coverage. Two were in the basement on the corners on side of our house, while the third one was on the main level in the center of the opposite side. This was needed to give good coverage and capacity to handle our 50+ WiFi devices.

Always test internet speed with a hard-wired device. Another thing to consider Is bufferbloat. This is where many routers fail and a handful shine. Waveform’s website is a great resource of information. They have a great test to see how your system is performing. Here is the link to my data, you can click the Test Again button to check your performance. They also have suggestions for routers. I have a Ubiquity EdgeRouter 6P along with three Ubiquiti access points. My system is stable and connectivity is flawless.

Bufferbloat and Internet Speed Test - Waveform

Most households don’t need more than 50MB to cover numerous devices. I have software to monitor the network usage and it rarely goes above 25MB.

So, what I’m trying to get the point across is, you don’t need as much bandwidth as you may think to get reliable internet performance.
 
I'm no expert for sure. Been using TP-Link Deco W7200 Mesh router (sold at Walmart) for past 2 years for a +3000 sq ft, two-story home. Very satisfied, no need to subscribe to anything, says two nodes covers 5,500 sq feet and I could believe that. I've got all kinds of stuff running across my wi-fi network: Nest cams, couple wi-fi TV's, desktops, lots of mobile devices, video conferencing, etc., the full Monty. Set-up was easy.

I bought an extra two-pack thinking I'd need more than two nodes to make sure I got a strong signal everywhere, figured would put them to use eventually, but so far the extras are still in the shrink-wrapped box. I don't recall costing more than $150 for the two-pack.

One thing that sold me was that they use a separate proprietary backbone wi-fi channel to communicate between nodes, rather than piggybacking off of the usual wi-fi signal. That made a lot of sense to me.
I use TP-Link, too, for a few years. I have a wired connection from the router to the home office as we have GB fiber and 7 nodes throughout the house and even in the garage. Each node has 3 copper ethernet ports and can act as a mini-switch at its location. The user interface is near idiot-proof and easy to setup although there is a choice at initialization between passthru (your carrier's router) and router mode where you just take your connection and handle the routing. It is up to you if you trust your carrier or you want to do it yourself. They also have an option to connect via copper if you want more speed than the ~700Mbit over wireless.

I'm currently harvesting some YouTube content so my download aggregate is 377Mb/s. Even with this sort of traffic the entire network response time is good for all other nodes.

The beauty of a mesh network is that any node can go down and your wifi device such as phone or tablet can reconnect with an alternate node on the same mesh network. Ever since I setup mesh networking the wife never complains about "Internet not working" as most of it is on UPS so even if we lose power to the house the network and router stays up.

When we go from one end of the house to another our phones just reconnect with the strongest signal in that area seamlessly. This is my second mesh network as I was an early adopter to Google's original mesh network system. I chose TP-Link because of the user interface and flexibility. I can remotely configure and monitor the network from anywhere in the world via a secure connection and ssh key in my phone.

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I never had much luck with the mesh networks covering dead areas of our house. I got the system that transmits over the house wiring. That's worked well for me.
 
I'm no expert for sure. Been using TP-Link Deco W7200 Mesh router (sold at Walmart) for past 2 years for a +3000 sq ft, two-story home. Very satisfied, no need to subscribe to anything, says two nodes covers 5,500 sq feet and I could believe that. I've got all kinds of stuff running across my wi-fi network: Nest cams, couple wi-fi TV's, desktops, lots of mobile devices, video conferencing, etc., the full Monty. Set-up was easy.

I bought an extra two-pack thinking I'd need more than two nodes to make sure I got a strong signal everywhere, figured would put them to use eventually, but so far the extras are still in the shrink-wrapped box. I don't recall costing more than $150 for the two-pack.

One thing that sold me was that they use a separate proprietary backbone wi-fi channel to communicate between nodes, rather than piggybacking off of the usual wi-fi signal. That made a lot of sense to me.
We got a TP-Link mesh system in 2022. It was inexpensive, easy to install and set up, and it has worked really well since then.
 
I never had much luck with the mesh networks covering dead areas of our house. I got the system that transmits over the house wiring. That's worked well for me.
Our home is wired for Cat-5, state of the art at the time but it doesn't handle long runs very well and now that I have 10G in the home office cluster including 2 Mac Studios and a handful of x86 Linux servers with 10G cards (now pretty reasonable) the Cat-5 cabling has run its course. I have 1 hand-done run of Cat-6a from our router to the home office and that runs at a full 1Gbit.

The thing about mesh networks is you can add more mesh access points and signal problems magically go away.
 
I have been in IT since 1980, you can do the math. 😊

We only had DSL until we received a Starlink dish a year and a half ago. When we were using DSL, I worked diligently to optimize our access. We were getting about 3-4MB. With that said, we were able to stream or work from home, but not both at the same time. This taught me to be extremely frugal and optimized everything , everywhere I could.

There are so many variables to consider, as I had as many devices hardwired as possible. Most of this was hard wired with 20+ year old CAT5. For instance, the distance from an access point will proportionally diminish the internet speed. Another thing to consider is an access point can only handle a set number of devices. For us I needed three access points to cover our 5200 sf home (2600 up and 2600 down) for the number of wireless devices we had, not for coverage. Two were in the basement on the corners on side of our house, while the third one was on the main level in the center of the opposite side. This was needed to give good coverage and capacity to handle our 50+ WiFi devices.

Always test internet speed with a hard-wired device. Another thing to consider Is bufferbloat. This is where many routers fail and a handful shine. Waveform’s website is a great resource of information. They have a great test to see how your system is performing. Here is the link to my data, you can click the Test Again button to check your performance. They also have suggestions for routers. I have a Ubiquity EdgeRouter 6P along with three Ubiquiti access points. My system is stable and connectivity is flawless.

Bufferbloat and Internet Speed Test - Waveform

Most households don’t need more than 50MB to cover numerous devices. I have software to monitor the network usage and it rarely goes above 25MB.

So, what I’m trying to get the point across is, you don’t need as much bandwidth as you may think to get reliable internet performance.
I used to get in long discussions/arguments about bufferbloat with a late friend of mine. It only affects WAN connections and is usually associated with older inexpensive router hardware with small buffer capacity that is overwhelming the local router. I don't think it is a problem much anymore (I could be wrong) but it has mostly to do with latency and not throughput. I host multiple open-source mirrors like Ubuntu and the Linux Kernel Archives and have symmetric GBit since dumping Comcast for ATT Fiber and my latency is really good at every endpoint, including for gaming. My personal belief is bufferbloat is probably not a problem much anymore because even cheap hardware has pretty good memory capacity so buffers are no longer constrained.
 
I would be curious to see if a handful of members or more reading this would do a bufferbloat test from:

Bufferbloat and Internet Speed Test - Waveform.

Select the Test Again to see your own test results.

and post their result. It's a good chance those with huge bandwidth available today that it would compensate somewhat for bufferbloat.
 
I'm in 2500 sq. ft., basically a box. Started with an ASUS Nighthawk, but had to use extenders with wire to get a reliable connection in a few locations. Switched to a Netgear Orbi mesh system 6 years ago and haven't looked back. Recently added a third satellite in the garage, and that gets me coverage in the backyard and out to the street. No issues with gaming or streaming, whether running cabled or wireless off the satellites.
 
Is that what you expecting from your ISP?
Supposedly, they upgraded me to 500 mbps some time ago. I don't know why I don't get that. In any event, it didn't cost me anything and what I have is fine for my purposes.
 
This is a good thread for me to follow. It is something I need to get moving on. Our 3200+ sq house has 3 finished levels, and the router (Netgear AC3600) is in the finished basement because that is where 2 cable runs were done (for TV and router) and the majority of my wired devices are there. While I do get a signal throughout the house and outside, a quck speedtest gives results that are telling and intriguing:

- wired: 480Mbps download
- wireless, basement: 186 Mbps (phone) 90 Mbps (laptop)
- wireless, 1st floor: 125 Mbps (phone), 171Mbps (laptop)
- wireless, 2nd floor: 43Mbps (phone), 31Mbps (laptop)

I'm too lazy/unskilled" to fish wiring between floors; if we need wired speed on the 1st or 2nd floor, I run a long cable up the staircase and along the wall as needed... not aesthetically pleasing, but temporary, out of the way and it does the job :LOL:.

My main requirement for a mesh network is that I do not want to be "forced" to use a phone app for configuration... call me 'old school', but I find it easier to configure via the web interface, particularly as I use a lot of configuration options.

Time to look again at what is out there. Maybe this will be my Christmas present for myself :D.
Well, my first foray into mesh routers was unsuccessful. I tested the Netgear MK73S tri-band mesh router kit (router + 2 satellites). It is documented to cover a 4,500 square foot house. While the wired connections and wireless router connections were fine, the satellite speeds seemed to vary a lot with my testing, and the satellite on the top level of our house did not provide any better speed that my AC3600 router.

The bigger issue was the firmware - the last firmware broke UPnP/DLNA services, and this bug has existed for the last 2 firmware releases (according to reviews I have seen and posting in the Netgear community forum). There has not been a new firmware release in over a year. Netgear may have just decided to no longer support this model. Maybe that is why it was one sale when I tried it :) .It has been returned.

In any case, I am still plugging along with the AC3600 router, I will get back to giving another mesh router that meets my specs a try in a few months. At least Xfinity has since increased my speeds. My wired is now 600Mbps/23Mbps download/upload and my 2nd floor speeds are now 130Mbps/23Mbps download/upload.
 
I would be curious to see if a handful of members or more reading this would do a bufferbloat test from:

Bufferbloat and Internet Speed Test - Waveform.

Select the Test Again to see your own test results.

and post their result. It's a good chance those with huge bandwidth available today that it would compensate somewhat for bufferbloat.
How long should this test take? My test gets as far as "Warming Up..." and no further.
 
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