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Old 05-13-2007, 01:17 PM   #1
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Can someone remind me why we're in Iraq?

My son is somewhere in this f___ed up mess. I rarely pay attention to the news stories about Iraq because I can't dwell on the dangers my child is around on a daily basis. I would literally be a basket case if I watched CNN, or other news outlets.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

My heart goes out to the families of the killed soliders thus far in this senseless war and in particular, the soliders that have been abducted. I can't even imagine being told on mother's day that your son or daughter has been captured will quite possibly be executed in savage manner, on video to be proprogated over the news and internet.

This war needs to stop. How many of our kids need to die? Why are we Iraq again? Didn't we just execute Sadam by proxy? Where are those weapons of mass detruction? Oh, and we still haven't found Bin Laden...

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Re: Can someone remind me why we're in Iraq?
Old 05-13-2007, 01:31 PM   #2
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I couldn't agree more!! The 'victory' was achieved when Sadam was removed and a new government was formed. Now it is theirs to run or ruin.

How does the present administration conclude that sacrifices must be made on Social Security when we are pouring money (and lives) down that hole
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Same reason why I stopped watching the nightly news despite being someone who likes to stay informed. I get tired of hearing the same negative story over and over again - "Today was a deadly day in Iraq......" It never seems to change for the better
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Re: Can someone remind me why we're in Iraq?

Theres noway to respond to this thread without it blowing up.
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No good reason. This destabilized the region further. Since we are dependent on oil... we will be there for years.

GWB and his circle of sorry ba$tr@ds scr3wed all of us... it was a very poor decision (vengeful) decision. He had a personal ax to grind and it blinded is judgment and reason.

In a way, we are paying a premium for oil in several ways. one way... OPEC sticks it to us. The last two wars have been a huge tax to keep the oil flowing. We are probably already paying $6/gal if the accounting were properly applied.

I hope your son comes back to you safe and sound. Chances are he probably will be OK.
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Why are we Iraq again?
I just watched the documentary Why We Fight. It provides a very plausible explanation. I suggest everyone rent it.
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Old 05-13-2007, 02:37 PM   #7
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CubeRat: There's no denying the danger in Iraq, but rest assured the military takes good care of their own in combat settings. I'm sure your son has many good friends in his unit and that anyone of them would go to the ends of the earth for each other.
Why are we in Iraq; Just MHO of course, but we are there because of what may go down as the stupidist move of the decade (or worse). We are STILL there because the graceful exit has not shown itself. To simply walk out now could very well lead to an Iran with twice the power plus nukes, or many other senarios, all bad. The salvation of this blunder will come from some form of voodoo diplomacy or it won't come. I like the idea of benchmarks for Iraq and better yet the concept of the Dems shutting the %&#@* up. It is time for a nonstop diplomatic effort to end this crap because no 5 armies on earth can win this thing in the streets within the rules we have imposed on ourselves. We need to get back home and get to work on our policies so the next time this comes up an Air Force crew of 5 can end it and then only if our assasination efforts have failed.
Cube Rat. From news I have received from "real" sources, our military is doing a fine job and you should be proud, as I'm sure you are, of you sons service.
A pox on the house of the media who have made this struggle so much more difficult.
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we are bringing democracy to the natives...... lets see ,let me count the number of muslium democratic nations we now have.... why theres... then theres ......... okay im stumped!
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we are bringing democracy to the natives...... lets see ,let me count the number of muslium democratic nations we now have.... why theres... then theres ......... okay im stumped!
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A pox on the house of the media who have made this struggle so much more difficult.
An inept administration is who has made this difficult.

The media was the adminstration's puppet at the beginning of the war through the '04 elections - enabling this debacle to begin and continue - if that's what you're comment is referring to - I'm with ya!!!
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cube, first, thank you for your son's Service to his country. As an ex-military guy, I found myself in situations I would rather not be in, as did my father and his father. There are as many answers to your question as there are political views, but none of them address the personal situation of every soldier and every parent. In the middle of a war, it matters more that there are Americans willing to defend their country than it matters why we're there. The latter question, and what to do about it, is one for politicians and voters to decide. I have my own ideas but they are only that.

I echo JPatrick, the military takes care of their own. It's a dangerous situation but rest assured every soldier and every commander is working to win while minimizing casualties on both sides, but especially on our side. Explosions make good press stories. Only those who are there know the real story.
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err, ahh, well thanks for your surport
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>>In the middle of a war, it matters more that there are Americans willing to defend their country than it matters why we're there.

Geez, really? I'd think the guys (and girls) that are doing the fighting might actually like to understand why they are there while they are dying everyday..

And not really sure what we are supposedly "defending their country" from...Saddam? He's dead...and never was a real threat to me or anyone else in the US...

I am pretty sure the only thing the soldiers are "defending" is the president having to admit that (a) we never should have gone their in the first place, (b) Iraq was never a threat to the US, (c) we had no idea what a "win" in Iraq would look like, (d) once we took power we had no idea what to do with it and (e) we have no idea how to get the hell out....

The only thing amazing to me is that 28% of americans still think Bush is doing a good job...lower approval rating than even Jimmy Carter
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Geez, really? I'd think the guys (and girls) that are doing the fighting might actually like to understand why they are there while they are dying everyday..
Well, we've been meddling in the region for most of a century, so maybe it'll take more than a few years to unscrew the situation. I certainly don't have the answers.

We've had thousands killed since 2003. Does anyone remember how many were killed between 1979-2002 doing the same thing with more restrictive ROE? I don't know if it's better to do it this way but the previous method had more than demonstrated its lack of success. And I'm afraid that if we beat feet now, in another four or five years someone will once again start banging the drum to get in there and fix it right.

I don't care what CNN or Fox think. Cube_rat, what's your son think?
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Geez, really? I'd think the guys (and girls) that are doing the fighting might actually like to understand why they are there while they are dying everyday..

Yes, the reason they are there is to fight and win by making the bad guys quit their cause or die for their cause. Other questions are left to politicians. I was reponding to a father concerned about his son.

PS What can a sodier do if they decide they are there for the wrong reason? Give a two weeks notice?
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all we did is create a future super power complete with nuclear know how as iraq/iran shiites combine to form a super power

we did a stupid thing ,we already had iraq under a microscope and anytime we suspected them of anything we could fuel up the infidel jets and bomb the crap out of them, and everyone goes home. so instead we create a nuclear super-power . nice work!
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nope ,,, turkey isnt a democracy
Funny I remember elections that caused a change of power when I was there.
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From Wikipedia,

Turkey is a parliamentary representative democracy. Since its foundation as a republic in 1923, Turkey has developed a strong tradition of secularism. Turkey's constitution governs the legal framework of the country. It sets out the main principles of government and establishes Turkey as a unitary centralized state. The current constitution was ratified by referendum in 1982 and has been amended numerous times in recent years.

It is true that the Turkish military exerts it influence every now and then when it looks like an Islamic party may gain power. (Note the comment on secularism from Wikipedia.) In fact if you have been tracking international politics you will know that there have been some recent developments in that regard.

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in order to be a true muslim you must follow the koran. from what i have had read to me from the koran, democracy can't exist following what is written. there is more to democracy than elections. human rights, tolerance of others, womens rights etc it all goes against whats written. . these things make up a true democracy.

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