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What's stopping you? Looking at threads like this makes me glad I have never had to deal with any of this.

More info here:

Apple - Mac OS X Leopard - Technology - Security

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"The Mac OS X Leopard firewall failed every test. It is not activated by default and, even when activated, it does not behave as expected. Network connections to non-authorised services can still be established and even under the most restrictive setting, "Block all incoming connections," it allows access to system services from the internet."

Whoops.

MJ, I cant find any info on this trojan either, so I'm inclined to agree with the 'false positive' line of thinking.

Firefox isnt any more 'secure' than IE much like OS X isnt any more secure than Windows. Any big hunk of code thats worked on by hundreds or thousands of people has bugs and vulnerabilities.

In both cases its a lack of virus writers for one vs the other. Some rather serious deficiencies in Firefox have been discovered and unfortunately left unpatched for a fair period of time. Same with OS X.

Given that it enjoys a limited fascination among the 12 year old script kiddies who write viruses, and doesnt cost you anything, firefox is still a good choice.

At least you arent paying a price premium for something that really isnt any better, and dont have any false perceptions about the product quality.

There also isnt much to be said about XP's vulnerability vs Windows 2000. Both share enough code that they've pretty much got the same pros and cons from a security perspective. In fact, XP may have a few goodies that 2000 doesnt have. Vista has a few more than that, but so far has so many other problems with compatibility that I dont recommend it.
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"The Mac OS X Leopard firewall failed every test.....

Whoops.
In other words, you STILL have not been able to find a single case of a virus spreading through the Macintosh community and doing damage. So instead, you dig up these references to potential security vulnerabilities.

Why does the fact that Mac users have not had any virus or spyware problems bother you so much? It doesn't bother me that you prefer Windows. To each their own.

I may or may not have time today, but I plan on starting a new thread on the OSX virus subject. I think that would be better than dragging little snippets of FUD and responses to FUD into any thread where someone expresses an interest in an Apple computer.

I think I can make it quite clear, that if these potential security vulnerabilities were very significant, that Apple users would be inundated with virus and spyware problems, regardless of the market share numbers.

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Security Geeks Say Leopard Needs Patches - Yahoo! News

Whoops again. Not only do they have a bad firewall and forget to enable it, their new security features arent particularly effective.

Care to point out where someone expressed interest in an Apple computer in this thread until you taunted the OP about the supposed superiority of an OS that is far from superior?

Dont pull the finger unless you enjoy the stink.
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Security Geeks Say Leopard Needs Patches - Yahoo! News

Whoops again. Not only do they have a bad firewall and forget to enable it, their new security features arent particularly effective.

Care to point out where someone expressed interest in an Apple computer in this thread until you taunted the OP about the supposed superiority of an OS that is far from superior?

Dont pull the finger unless you enjoy the stink.
CFB, try arguing the points here:

http://www.early-retirement.org/foru...tml#post572927

You are like an old broken record, -----vulnerabilities<skip>, -----vulnerabilities<skip>, -----vulnerabilities<skip>, -----vulnerabilities<skip>, . Yet, once again you selectively edit:

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"I don't see anything that they've done out of the box, where it's really any more resistant to attack than Tiger was,"
Of course, there has not been a single damaging malware incident against Tiger (or Panther for that matter), so what's the problem with not being 'any more resistant', when they have not had any exploits? Why do you like wailing about this?

Now, excuse me while I look into the sky for meteors. You know, we are vulnerable to attack...

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"The Mac OS X Leopard firewall failed every test.

Whoops.
Of course, in the true spirit of spreading FUD, CFB fails to include the full context from that article (or even provide a link):

A second look at the Mac OS X Leopard firewall - heise Security

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the problems and peculiarities described here are not security vulnerabilities in the sense that they can be exploited to break into a Mac
So, another day goes by in the Mac World with no malware attacks. Ho hum.

This looks pretty simple to me. Logically, there are only a few possibilities:

A) There are other protection schemes in place in OSX, and this is a total non-issue. Previous releases of OSX have had the firewall turned off by default, and there have been no issues.

B) This is an issue, and Apple will patch it.

C) This is an issue, Apple doesn't fix it, but no one exploits it to do any damage.

D) This is an issue, Apple doesn't fix it, and some Macs (finally) start getting hit by malware.

Considering that there haven't been any damaging exploits in all of OSX history, and considering that Apple even started using this FACT in their advertising, and considering that Apple has over $15B in the bank that they could be spending on security issues to maintain that claim, I think 'A' and/or 'B' are the most likely outcomes, with 'C' being a far less comforting possibility.

And if 'D' comes to pass, I'll take some actions.

Standard disclaimer - Macs could get hit with damaging malware, tomorrow. But I keep saying that, don't I?

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Care to point out where someone expressed interest in an Apple computer in this thread until you taunted the OP about the supposed superiority of an OS that is far from superior?
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I am more than ever motivated to move to freeBSD.
There was also another thread with Dan Tein asking about Apple laptops. I just try to provide some useful info. There is a lot of misunderstanding when it comes to Apple, and some FUD spreaders, to boot.

I ' taunted the OP about the supposed superiority of an OS that is far from superior?' I fail to see where I did that.

BTW, looks like PC Magazine does not agree with you (bold mine):

- Apple OS X 10.5 (Leopard): Full Preview - Reviews by PC Magazine

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After three intense days with Apple's Mac OS X Leopard Version 10.5, I have three main things to say about it. First: despite minor problems, it's by far the best operating system ever written for the vast majority of consumers, with dozens of new features that have real practical valueólike truly automated backups, preview images in folders, and notes and to-do lists integrated into the mail program. Propeller-heads with IT know-how will no doubt hold up Linux as the better choice, and Vista has its devotees as well(and will probably have more when SP1 is widely available), but, for the average user, Leopard is the most polished and easiest to use OS I've tested.
Whatever. Anyone that is considering a Mac ought to check it out for themselves. Personally, I'm not too thrilled with the limited hardware choices on the desktop side. Others are in love with the iMacs. Each person needs to weigh their pros/cons and decide for themselves.

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Do you know what "freebsd" is?

Hint: its got nothing to do with apple other than the core of the two operating systems sharing a little bit of genetic material. Freebsd is a completely different OS that is not funded nor sold by Apple.

Admit it: you taunted the guy in an unhelpful manner with a troll.
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Do you know what "freebsd" is?

Hint: its got nothing to do with apple other than the core of the two operating systems sharing a little bit of genetic material. Freebsd is a completely different OS that is not funded nor sold by Apple.

Admit it: you taunted the guy in an unhelpful manner with a troll.
I didn't bring up freeBSD, I just responded.

If someone expresses interest in freeBSD, they can get it in OSX. Probably the most practical way for the average computer user.

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OSX is NOT freebsd.

Freebsd is a separate and distinct operating system run as an open source project with roots in at&t's commercial unix product.

OSX is based on elements of the Mach kernel and Freebsd version 5. Freebsd is currently at version 8. Windows NT and VAX/VMS also have/had extensive infusions of technology from various unix offerings. OSX has also borrowed elements of a number of other operating systems and unix derivatives.

You do not "get" freebsd by getting osx. You get almost nothing of what freebsd offers in osx. Other than being able to mount a freebsd file system under osx, there is nothing whatsoever significant thats comparable between the two. By getting osx, you get a totally different operating system with a totally different front end, totally different applications, almost totally different underlying architecture, and you dont get any aspect of the open source product, since osx is a commercial product produced by a corporation.

You leaped on a vague reference you didnt understand to insert a trolling remark that was off topic and not helpful to the OP. Or anyone else for that matter. And it wasnt even factual!

Put your finger and thumb in an "L" shape, and place your hand on your forehead.

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What's stopping you? Looking at threads like this makes me glad I have never had to deal with any of this.
Well...nothing! Yesterday I bought a surplus desktop machine and am trying to get a version of freeBSD (PC-BSD) to install. I will keep y'all posted.

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Well...nothing! Yesterday I bought a surplus desktop machine and am trying to get a version of freeBSD (PC-BSD) to install. I will keep y'all posted.

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Please do keep us posted! I am interested in trying these alternates, I just never got the impression that they were far enough along. Here's a pretty positive review:

OSWeekly.com - PC-BSD: The Most Beginner Friendly OS

Got that from a link from wiki.

Good luck with it, I don't suppose you'll need to worry about virus issues too much

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OSX is based on elements of the Mach kernel and Freebsd version 5....

You leaped on a vague reference you didnt understand to insert a trolling remark that was off topic and not helpful to the OP. Or anyone else for that matter. And it wasnt even factual!
Fine.... Geez, he mentioned FreeBSD and I made the association with Mac OSX, which is true. I didn't say they were one and the same, or anything to that effect.

It's not trolling - looks like Ed is interested in trying something that may be more virus resistant, I mentioned OSX due to that association with FreeBSD. What's to get your short's all tied up in a knot about?

Looks like he chose PC_BSD. Good for him! I hope it works well, I might give it a try.

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Sorry about all that splattered ketchup.
What's with the childish personal attacks? I thought those were supposed to be off-bounds on this forum anyhow. When other's see who has to go for the personal attacks, it's probably clear to them just who the loser is.

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I made the association with Mac OSX, which is true. I didn't say they were one and the same, or anything to that effect.
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Cant even agree with yourself in the same thread?

I'm picking on you because you asked for it. Dont [moderator edit] and then whine about the results.
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Cant even agree with yourself in the same thread?

I'm picking on you because you asked for it. Dont yank my dick and then whine about the results.
Listen CFB, I have no interest in getting into a war of words over how FreeBSD and Mac OSX might be associated, integrated, evolved, linked, or anything else. You would just declare yourself the winner anyway.

Ed_the_Gypsy brought up FreeBSD, apparently seeing it as a possibly more virus resistant option to Windows. I mentioned another option with some BSD roots - is that a crime?

I hope this little diversion has not deterred Ed_the_Gypsy from reporting back on his experience with PC_BSD, I am interested in it. I might even buy some cheap hardware with an AMD processor, just to give it a spin myself


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My desktop was infected by a number of trojans on Monday. Two weeks ago I switched from McAfee to Avast not a good idea........Avast alerted me but was unable to stop the attacks. I reinstalled McAfee scanned my hard drive and 9 trojans were removed. The problem is the damage was already done it corrupted my registry and I still get IE popups that are annoying as hell.

BTW it even deleted all previous system restore points so I was unable to restore it to a previous date.

I will probably perform a system recovery this weekend as a last resort. I hate to do this because of the hassle of reinstalling all the software.
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