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Old 04-26-2005, 03:01 PM   #21
 
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But it would probably be annoying with the airbag flopping around each time you make a turn.
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Re: Hybrids - False Economy
Old 04-26-2005, 04:39 PM   #22
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Cut a slot in it, fill it with cheetos. They'd weigh the bag down enough to keep it out of your way, and anytime you get hungry you have a quickly available snack.

Which reminds me of a joke, except I already gave up part of the punchline. Fits well with our "health care" thread as well. I'm going with the short version as its not that funny...

Guy goes to the doctor. Problem is he has an orange weener.

(Many expensive and complex medical procedures later, fill in your own unnecessary joke content)

Finally in exasperation the doctor exclaims "I just dont know how this is happening...lets try to examine your life in detail...tell me what you do all day??

"Watch porn and eat cheetos..."
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You were right to go with the short version

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Old 04-26-2005, 06:29 PM   #24
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Dog, a co-worker of mine bought an Equinox, says he likes the vehicle, but the gas milage is awful (think he said it was around 12mph)
I like the Prius, but I, too wonder if it's worth the cost... especially since I suspect that dealers will be tacking "premiums" on the list price.
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I like Hondas in general, had a couple of them. Never cared for Toyota but their Prius is a home run engineering wise. When my 92 Taurus was totalled in an accident I went and looked at several cars. I liked the Honda hybrid, it looks like a normal Honda. I was REALLY turned off by the Toyota dealer, not by their car. They are tacking a lot of money onto the MSRP. I ended up buying (in Nov 04) an 05 Ford Focus, it is a PZEV vehicle (in the same low pollution group as the Prius and Honda hybrid), it gets decent mileage, about 30 MPG on the road with the 5 speed, 25 in all around driving. Not as good as the Prius, the two owners I know get 34 MPG, noting like the 50+ advertised but still pretty good. Here is the good news on the Focus, it feels as solid as my previous Hondas, is as much fun to drive and I bought it for under $10K. It is a 5 speed, its about $800 more for an automatic but it has a good stereo and AC. That makes up for the price of a lot of gas that might be saved by a Prius or Honda. At last a decent American small car at a good price.
Although Toyota has done a good engineering job I think the hybrid is a temporary solution. There were sail boats and eventually steam ships but in the middle there were steam ships with sails, they just couldn't trust the steam engine. Eventually the hybrid will be replaced with an electric vehicle when the battery problem gets solved.
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I plan to keep my Corolla. It gets 32 mpg / 41 mpg.
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Geez, my vw passat gets 29 average! Not bad after reading these posts! My wife drives it, though, and it has an "instant MPG" display. She enjoys watching it and driving in a way that maximizes that reading. :P

Cheetos in the airbag, mmmmmmm! I'd definitely crash while looking for the last one in the bottom of the airbag!
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*Dog, a co-worker of mine bought an Equinox, says he likes the vehicle, but the gas milage is awful (think he said it was around 12mph)
* *I like the Prius, but I, too wonder if it's worth the cost... especially since I suspect that dealers will be tacking "premiums" on the list price.
Thanks for the info. I passed this one on the road yesterday and it looked like a toy anyway. I've scratched it off the list.
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TH thanks for posting the article. My opinion changes from one day to the next... There's really nothing wrong with the car I have 97 Rav4 - I am happy with Toyotas, and hooked on the small SUV style - the Highlander makes a lot of sense - but then again $34,000 is a year of retirement at least.

If I have the patience I'll wait a couple years and get one used, if they still appeal, and have not become dinosaurs.

I'm not worried about the complexity factor, since my 78 year old co-worker (who can't figure out how to operate Outlook Express on his own) as been driving a Prius with no problem.
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Here is an interesting article on hybrids:
http://biz.yahoo.com/special/hybrid05.html

It suggest to wait since price will mostly come down as comptetion intensifies.
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I own a 2004 Prius, as does my father, and a couple of his brothers.

I'm not going to try to convert anyone, but the Prius really isn't a bad car. I get 52-56 mpg during my daily 3 hour stop and go commute, and just got a respectable 49 mpg on a highway trip to Montreal this week. In electric mode, I can sneak up and scare the *&%! out of Early Retired pedestians in mall parking lots. I don't know how you price that pleasure out, but it has to figure into the equation somehow.

The Prius has been on the road since 1997 with no realiability issues. Yet folks still shake their heads and mumble something about the new technology not being "proven." My drive train (including battery) comes with a 10 year/150,000 mile warranty, and emissions are 90% less than the average new car.

Can you justify a Prius on fuel cost savings alone? Dunno. I figure I break about even after ten years. But then I compare the Prius to either a Camry or Corolla rather than an Echo, and I do a lot of city driving where the hybrids really economize. If gas goes up, the payback occurs sooner.

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Because of the high cost of gas, the Toyota Prius is the hot-selling new car. *You see a lot of news stories about how people are buying hybrids because gas is so expensive.
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