New dishwasher recommendation?

Great info, thanks. I'm supposed to spend another $10,000 between now and Jan 1, but I'm not sure I can bring myself to throw away the current DW (dishwasher!) which is working fine. The reduction in noise sounds great though.

Do I understand correctly that you did the installation completely by yourself? What did you do with the old one?

What is the advantage of stainless steel interior? Around here everything seems to rust, even stainless.
 
You can freecycle or craigslist an older working dishwasher pretty darn quick...

Installation isnt that tough. Unhook the drain, unscrew the water supply, unplug it from the outlet under the sink or unscrew it from the junction box behind the kick panel, remove a couple of screws holding it in under the counter and yank it out. Reverse to reinstall.
 
Do I understand correctly that you did the installation completely by yourself?
Yep. What CFB said. This is about my sixth dishwasher so I'm feeling pretty [-]cocky[/-] proficient.

We don't have a receptacle in the hole, but the builder's electrician helpfully installed a wall switch under the sink. So you just turn off the switch (or the circuit breaker), unscrew the wires from the old, and screw them onto the new. It also helps to ensure that the wire (laying on the ground) doesn't entangle itself in the new dishwasher's wheels when you roll it under the counter, but I don't care to discuss how I learned that.

Our water supply line is hard-piped copper to a compression fitting, but I've also used braided-steel hoses. Ironically the only water-supply leak I've ever had was a braided-steel hose that I hadn't gotten around to replacing at its 10th anniversary. It was 10 years four months old.

Most manufacturers include spring clamps for the drain hose connections, but I prefer to really tighten down a hose clamp.

What did you do with the old one?
"Ask us about our low low shipping fees!"

To qualify for the Maytag "fireball recall" $75 check you have to sign a "Proof of Destruction" affadavit with the model & serial number of the old one. (The recall part is an electrical connection in the door that gets soaked with rinse aid and catches fire. We never use rinse aid.) I'd feel bad if that model/serial turned up in the forensics of some Craigslist buyer's home fire, but I'm toying with offering cheap dishwasher replacement parts over Craigslist. Otherwise we'll ditch it in bulk pickup, where JG will probably pull it out of the landfill and set his own kitchen on fire.

What is the advantage of stainless steel interior? Around here everything seems to rust, even stainless.
Then it's not stainless!

Believe it or not, stainless is more resistant to chemical attack (dishwasher detergent is basically full-strength lye) and it can be made quieter with less flex (water leakage) than a plastic tub. (The entire pressure vessel and primary piping loop of naval nuclear reactors is cast or forged from DT304 stainless steel, although Naval Reactors uses a heavier gauge than KitchenAid.) The trick is to make it without galvanic corrosion from connectors, which is the most common source of "rust". It's expensive to do correctly.

Stainless dishwasher tubs are also recommended in Rex Cauldwell's "Plumbing a House", which is as close to the plumber's Bible as I've ever seen.
 
By the way, its pretty dang easy to upgrade your "quietpartnershieldnoisereducer II" to a IV.

Just wrap some more insulation around it or tape some thin styrofoam insulation in place around it, providing you have room.

A great place to reduce sound is behind the removable "kick panel" under the dishwasher in the front, near where the hookups are. Stuffing some fiberglass insulation under there (dont get it all over the motor or it might overheat) or a shaved up piece of styrofoam glued to the back of the panel can cut the noise from a dishwasher in half.

Five bucks says that Nords will be partially uninstalling his DW to try this out... ;)

One other good thing to do if you're up for a little extra installation cost is to put a mini water hammer arrestor in line with the water connection. That'll seriously reduce shock to the water inlet solenoid and the waterline and should extend the life of both.

http://www.siouxchief.com/B_Products_Prods.cfm?ID=35

Good idea on your washing machine and your toilets as well.
 
Five bucks says that Nords will be partially uninstalling his DW to try this out... ;)
Already done. We used the insulation from the old dishwasher's kick panel, and we were even able to transfer the "acoustiblock" adhesive sound-damping material. Once that kick panel is in the drop in noise is impressive.

That Sioux Chief catalog rocks-- professional plumber's porn!
 
Aside from the sloshy water sound, most of the noise comes from underneath. Yet thats the part with the worst sound insulation on most.

A lot of dishwashers also do a lousy job of insulating the rear of the tub, presuming I guess that its going to be pointed at an exterior wall. In my last house it was pointed at the living room. Amazing how much quieter it got in there with an inch of foam on the back of the tub.

I swiped the insulation from my old dishwashers kickpanel too...
 
This thread is destined to become the repository of dishwasher consumer advice, so here's another thing to look for when shopping: Make sure it is easy to open the dishwasher door with wet/soapy hands. We recently lived in a house with a dishwasher that was very difficult to open if you've been rinsing dishes, etc. The handle was smooth and pushed up flush with the rest of the underside of the front panel when operated.
 
gosh i'm getting dishwasher envy...ours is a cheapy basic model that we had no choice in ...
 
Eh, thats easy. Just do what I did and make yours spontaneously combust the first time you turn it on while on a fresh home warranty policy!
 
I bought a Whirlpool Gold Quiet Partner III about 8 months ago replacing a 10 year old, entry-level Kenmore. I feel a bit silly now because apparently I thought all my glassware had "smoked" glass for a few years. I was wrong; they just weren't getting fully cleaned. The new one has a lot more room in it, has better utilization of the pre-defined space, and is MUCH quieter. It does require a dish-aid rinse though. I tried it without the rinse-aid, and it's clear that it's not designed to work right without it.

The Whirlpool is quiet, but not as quiet as the Bosch. I believe the main reason for that is that the Bosch's don't come with a food disposal built-in. Given how quiet this new Whirlpool is anyway, I'd rather be able to just load it up without having to rinse the dishes first.
 
I'll be insulating ours, thanks for the tip. I can't justify a new dishwasher, since ours does the job fine (Kenmore Ultrawash III). We just run it when noise doesn't matter.

A quieter fridge, on the other hand...

Around here we go by the old sailor's saying: "Stainless steel isn't." But I'll consider it if our DW breaks down irreparably.
 
We replaced our 1st Kitchenaid after about 25 years. The dishwasher was still working great, but the rubber lining on the dish-rack had worn through in a few places and would leave rust stains where the rack made contact with the dishes.

The replacement Kitchenaid has been in place about 10 years (going on another 25 years). Works great and is quiet.
 
The replacement Kitchenaid has been in place about 10 years (going on another 25 years). Works great and is quiet.
It's worth looking at your electricity use and figuring out the payback. Maybe it's not worth it at a load a week and a nickel a kilowatt-hour, but for our 2-3 loads/week and 22 cents/KWHr it makes a difference.

When we're empty-nesters, spouse wants to shift to food delivery and paper plates...
 
Looong time payback. Packrat's rate in town is .06/kwh and up here on the River its .034/kwh. 98% of our power up here on the river is HYDRO which for some unfathomable reason here in Washington state is considered nonrenewable energy!!!:crazy::crazy::crazy: Blame a tree hugger.
 
I bought all new Maytag appliances two years ago .A week ago the microwave stopped cooking and yesterday the dishwasher will not turn on .I will never ever buy Maytag again .They used to be good appliances but now they are crap . At least the Maytag repairman is now really busy .
 
Maytag had huge problems for several years and made some incredibly awful appliances, and also a bunch of stuff under other names.

Whirlpool bought them a bit more than a year ago just before they plunged into bankruptcy and basically turned them into an outlet for rebadged lower to middle tier whirlpool products with maytag names on them.

The interesting news is that since maytag has such a horrifyingly bad name right now, there are some pretty good deals to be had on the appliance. My dad just bought an all new set of maytag kitchen appliances and by the time he was done with the manufacturer rebates, store rebates, utility rebates, and sale prices he got a hell of a deal.

Unfortunately, your 2 year old maytags were probably right at the end of their slide, when the employees were being laid off, the company was facing bankruptcy, and nobody gave a crap.
 
e interesting news is that since maytag has such a horrifyingly bad name right now, there are some pretty good deals to be had on the appliance. My dad just bought an all new set of maytag kitchen appliances and by the time he was done with the manufacturer rebates, store rebates, utility rebates, and sale prices he got a hell of a deal.

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I thought you liked your Dad ?
 
We installed a Kitchenaid that fizzled after four years. The heating element had to be replaced after two years. After three years, it began to sound very noisy. The diagnosis was a bad bearing. We decided to allow it to die rather than replace the motor. It lasted another year. This model was one of their upgraded ones with a stainless steel interior, ~$600

Now we have a Kenmore that we got on sale for $700 and change. This would be our second one of this brand in our 20 year marriage. So far so good.

Good luck with your search!
 
We have two friends who each purchased a Bosch dishwasher within the last year. Both bought it for the name, the SS interior, and the quiet factor. Both are very disappointed by the cleaning performance, saying the dishes are not getting as clean as they used to with their previous machines, which cost 1/2 as much. To quote my SIL: "I'd rather have our old machine back and just set it to run at night when we wouldn't hear it--at least the dishes would be clean."

But, they are pretty to look at.
 
I thought you liked your Dad ?

I do, but the little cuss went out and bought them on the spur of the moment and didnt tell me until a day before they were to be delivered. Fortunately he got rebranded whirlpools.

Msmart - a lot of kenmore products are rebadged whirlpools as well. Sometimes they differ from the similar whirlpool model slightly, such as a minutely larger/smaller motor or a different control layout. Often some good buys on faux whirlpools can be had by picking at some kenmore sales.

Just dont go for the "kenmore pro" or "elite" series. They're getting some serious knocks for bad reliability.
 
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