So my brother and I have been talking to our mom about what the future plans are for residency, care, finances, etc.
Last Sunday I was talking with my mom as I do every Sunday just to catch up and we were talking about maybe me and my brother would come out and help with the 'heavy' chores that are getting harder for my folks to do.
And we also talked about using this trip as an opportunity to open a dialog to discuss what their plans are as my mom has some health problems and my dad has what my mom calls 'good days' and 'bad days'.
Well, I guess my dad overheard some of the conversation and my dad was 'livid' to use my mom's words (message left on my phone).
So the trip is off for now until things calm down.
Question is, how should we approach this?
My mom is all for planning downsizing, moving to more convenient services that wouldn't require either of them having to drive anymore, and closer to care.
My dad...well...that's the problem.
Any sage experience or advice from others who have been here before?
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing, folks - I appreciate the camaraderie and advice.
Next steps will be slow after the pot settles back from its boil.
My mom wants to keep this quiet and we'll correspond by email (which my dad does not do).
She'll work on my dad that we are not scheming to put them in a 'home', but just start a dialog on what their plans are and what can be done in the more immediate future to start prepping (they have a lot of junk that certainly could be throw/given away).
Sure, it could be issues with independence and control, but it could just be your dad's simple frustration with mobility and with people treating him as if he can't take care of himself. Maybe he hates being sidelined and he feels irrelevant. (Especially if you're doing the heavy chores that he taught you how to do all those years ago.) It's not always a problem with declining cognition.
A local care business pointed out to me that I can't change my Dad, but I can change my behavior. She suggested waiting him out. Eventually the elders work through the thought process-- or they simply tire of struggling and seek help. Maybe there's an emergency, but ideally the lines of communication stay open long enough to reach a decision without calls from the hospital or the police.
If you're not near their home (or unable to respond to that 2 AM call) then you could interview a few geriatric care managers in your parents' area. The GCMs completely understand that you just want to open a file for your folks but that you don't need anything else right now. They're frequently called in by the police or the hospital to help with these emergencies anyway, so they're very happy to have a chance to get ready before it happens. You don't even have to tell your folks about this step, or you could leave their contact info with your mom if she needs to make the call.
Another advantage of the GCM is that you can coordinate with them to be the "bad cop". If they're called in to help your folks, they can tell them the stories of what could happen and share the facts of what they could do about it. You could arrive on the scene as the good child ready to help your parents (and "save" them from the eldercare system). Your parents could grumble about the GCM forcing their hand, but it gives them a focus for their anger (other than you) and moves them in the safe direction.
The GCM that I hired for my father (a year before his emergency surgery) immediately got off to a bad start with Dad. He felt that she was threatening his independence (correct) and not listening (well, she had a short-term memory, he didn't) and wouldn't leave him alone (also correct). Before this he had not wanted to look at assisted-living or care facilities (they were for "old people") and he just wanted to go back home to resume his independent (yet very scary) life. I told Dad that since she was on his case, I could get him out of the hospital so that he could visit my brother in Denver and check out a few places for rehab-- while also escaping her nagging. We also had the surgeon write a "prescription": the only way Dad could check out of the hospital was to report to a skilled nursing facility for the healing and rehab that would help him get ready to return to his independent life. (Not-so-coincidentally the SNF is also a full care facility.) The authority figures did all the heavy persuasion and I just had to be there to help Dad "escape" from their attention. It worked like a charm.
If your dad doesn't already have an "Emergency" folder of phone numbers and logins/passwords, your mother could ask him to update that list for her. He may be more inclined to "help her" (or at least avoid the nagging) than to deal with your perceived threat about getting his affairs in order. That way she can run the finances if he's "recovering from an accident" in the hospital and she has to take care of the house. Your contribution (if necessary) could be to offer the forms or the word-processing files for them to fill out.
It would be just bonus if they already have a current will, a medical directive, and maybe even a power of attorney. But if you have the first two and a cooperative mother then the third isn't an issue.
An extremely informative and helpful book is "When The Time Comes" by Paula Span. She also writes occasionally for the NYT on elder issues.
Book review: "When The Time Comes" - Military Guide
The Pitfalls of Your Parents' Finances - Military Guide
I do know that this board has been very helpful. Nords posted his experience with guardianship for his dad which was VERY helpful for us. Walt posted about his wife's involvement with his FIL. These accounts, and others, were very helpful to me as I've been navigating this stuff.
Thanks. It's as much self-directed writing therapy as it is advice...
Dad's doing fine, although he's tiring more quickly and his light is slowly dimming. He just turned 81 years old and spends most of his time working jigsaw puzzles. (A long-time hobby that actually helps Alzheimer's patients.) Now that his LTC insurance policy has finished paying out I'm even doing less financial work. One of my next projects is to list his assets on Personal Capital to see whether their dashboard & reports will simplify the process of generating conservator reports and financial plans for the probate court.
If that goes well then I'm signing up for my own PC account next...