lazygood4nothinbum said:(not counting straights wearing sweaters over their shoulders--what's up with that?)
lazygood4nothinbum said:given that gays make up maybe 10% of population
HaHa said:Could you give the source documentation of this assertion?
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bpp said:That seems to me a rather fine distinction. I am assuming that you equate "the state" with the legislature? Who, theoretically, represent the will of the people, right?
Laurence said:You know, I've enjoyed this thread, but I'm surprised that a board with the average age being significantly over 19 years of age doesn't have anyone willing to take an opposing view on this issue. I wonder if those who want a ban on gay marraige are just keeping quiet, perceiving they are in the minority view.
Sheryl said:.
The only "rational" basis I can think of is a religious one.
Many of Hawaii's Democratic state senators & representatives are actually Republicans who feel that the way to accomplish their goals is to be elected as a member of the majority. Unless you're the governor, being a Republican dooms a politician to gadfly status. If the gov wasn't such an exceptional concensus builder, even she would be gridlocked & overridden.justin said:It got to the point where no one would ever say anything bordering on conservative, even though we knew that a number of people held those conservative views. Who wants a label like "racist bigot homophobic sexist pig" following them around law school for three years and then into the profession? Talk about an oppressive and stifling environment.
Remember... complainers become moderators!justin said:Talk about an oppressive and stifling environment. It isn't too much different on these boards at times.
I think this board's political discussions are best accomplishedover here.Sheryl said:Sigh. I hate politics.
While it is possible to start from religious beliefs (or moral values) and rationally reach a conclusion, religious beliefs themselves are not arrived at rationally. They are a matter of faith. They are not subject to scientifice scrutiny by those who hold them. And this is the problem.Sheryl said:. . .The only "rational" basis I can think of is a religious one.
HaHa said:Could you give the source documentation of this assertion?
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justin said:On a different note, I saw this phenomenon of only a single side of an issue being presented elsewhere during my ultraliberal constitutional law class at my ultraliberal law school. Anyone with an outspoken conservative viewpoint was demonized and ostracized by fellow students and faculty. It got to the point where no one would ever say anything bordering on conservative, even though we knew that a number of people held those conservative views. Who wants a label like "racist bigot homophobic sexist pig" following them around law school for three years and then into the profession? Talk about an oppressive and stifling environment. It isn't too much different on these boards at times.
Welcome to groupthink. What a great thing it is.
sgeeeee said:These people want the world to accept their starting point beliefs and live in accordance with the conclusions they come to from that starting point.
Martha said:I went to a small town ultra conservative grade school and high school. Prayers in school. No homework on Wednesdays as it was church night. Worst years of my life. I think I was born a secular humanist.
A kid in my class who was gay killed himself.
justin said:A gay guy killed himself at my law school while I was there.
setab said:I agree. That may be why people aren't jumping in. This isn't the best forum for a thoughtful discussion of religious beliefs.
setab
Cut-Throat said:Any conservatives around here that think granting civil rights to all races in the United States was a bad idea?
HaHa said:Or often enough, for thoughtful discussion of anything.
Andre1969 said:Once upon a time, mixed marriages were looked down on disparagingly. In fact, back when she was in her teens, my Grandma was dating a boy that her father didn't approve of. Even went so far as to get his shotgun and chase the boy down. He was going to put a stop with it. No way was he going to allow his precious baby girl to get herself tangled up with...
a CATHOLIC!!
Times change. I would like to think people evolve. For the better. But they don't always.