Snip Snip - Page 2

F-One · 02-28-2006, 01:25 PM

Best excuse to have your wife wait on you for 2 to 3 days (doctor's orders)*

haha · 02-28-2006, 01:35 PM

Dahlink, furst I give you zee snip; zen I give you zee slap!

Ha

azanon · 02-28-2006, 01:55 PM

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Taking hormones for 20-30 years carries risks too.

I'm not going to deny that, but to claim its an equal or greater risk than surgery is going to be a hard sell for me.

BigMoneyJim · 02-28-2006, 02:03 PM

Not snipped. I'm 35 and have no kids, but I may want them if I meet a woman who's not....nevermind.

I have coworkers who are considering or who have been snipped. A couple are younger than I. I see the appeal, and it's supposedly reversible, but even at 35 I don't think I'd do it even if I had kids and thought I was through with kids and thought my marriage was 100% rock solid. I've seen too many people break up and start new families. Boy Scout motto: Be Prepared.

Outtahere · 02-28-2006, 02:07 PM

I would think that in this instance surgery far out weighs the risk of 30 to 50 years of taking hormones. * * What about if it was you that had to take the "less risky" pill for 50% of your life? *Would you take it? *

setab · 02-28-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by setab

Why?

setab

Basically, I was just being stupid. Another good reason why one should not try humor/sarcasm on the internet.

setab

haha · 02-28-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Outtahere

I would think that in this instance surgery far out weighs the risk of 30 to 50 years of taking hormones.* * *What about if it was you that had to take the "less risky" pill for 50% of your life?* Would you take it?*

Isn't a 50 year window of vulnerability a bit heroic? Still, I agree that hormone therapy for many years might be questioned. But people did a pretty good job of limiting family size before the pill, so it isn't a simple ”fix the man or the woman takes pills” choice.* Anyway, fixing the man only guards against the woman having a baby with that man. Given the actualities of human behavior, not a very complete solution is it now?

Besides, laparoscopic tube tying is quick and easy and has very minor risks associated with it, though I am not sure how they compare with the male procedure. I would give some thought to Grumpy's testimony too.

Ha

azanon · 02-28-2006, 02:21 PM

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I would think that in this instance surgery far out weighs the risk of 30 to 50 years of taking hormones. * * What about if it was you that had to take the "less risky" pill for 50% of your life? *Would you take it?

I've read quite a bit on it, and i'm not aware of any risk that begins to approach "significant" with respect to taking the pill for that long. *The pill's been around long enough now that there are people who have taken it a lifetime. *Most, if not all, of the so-called symptoms of the pill that may become unmanable will go away when you discontinue taking it.

No one questions the risk of surgey; starting with the risk of infection, unless they're just ignorant. *I knew someone personally that just outright died from a plain-jane infection that got out of control. * I see grumpy above has some reason to believe that it might have contributed to his development of testicular cancer.

Azanon

laurence · 02-28-2006, 04:03 PM

The research on the pill has been contradictory, increased chance of this cancer, reduced chance of that cancer. One thing to note is a risk of blood clots, especially if you smoke. But hey, if you are a smoker you already decided to "live life on the edge", so to speak.

My friend had the snip snip, got an infection, and the quote that still rings in my ears is, "I woke up in shooting pain, and I look down - grapefruit man! Grapefruit!!"

Outtahere · 02-28-2006, 04:33 PM

Ha, many a woman has had a "surprise" child because she "thought" she was beyond birth control, 50 years is not heroic.

As for problems the pills can cause, there are no clear studies that the pill causes cancer, doesn't cause cancer, strokes, blood clots or any other problem, but I certainly don't want to take the chance with my life. There is also no evidence that snipping causes cancer or another problem of the male parts other than wounded pride. Just like I wouldn't go to a quack gyno I would also hope that if a man should decide to be snipped he would find a reputable dr AND pay attention to hygiene after surgery to avoid the "grapefruit" syndrome.

lazyday · 02-28-2006, 04:36 PM

I last looked into this maybe 2 years ago. IIRC, it is not reliably reversable--men who have it "reversed" have a lower chance of success in having a child than men the same age who never had the surgery. Of course, do your own research if you're contemplating, as my memory is quite faulty...

I think I also read that compared to the similar procedure given to women, a vasectomy is much simpler, lower risk, and more reliable at preventing impregnation (other than ha's issue).

Also read about the option of having sperm frozen and stored (not as expensive as I thought)... the advice there was, if you're freezen em cause you aren't certain about having more kids, then you shouldn't be having the vasectomy at all. I thought that was pretty paternalistic an attitude (no pun intended) and patients should make their own choices, but be told of the risks of losing the chance of fertility in the future, even with the backup in the freezer.

BigMoneyJim · 02-28-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lazyday

Also read about the option of having sperm frozen and stored (not as expensive as I thought)...

Well yeah, those little cube trays are only 4 for $1 usually. I keep one by the computer, by the bed and in front of the TV. Be prepared!

**REWahoo** · 02-28-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cut-Throat

Another caution tale...

...about looking up your tail.

Cool Dood · 02-28-2006, 04:53 PM

As I recall, the cancer rate only ever declined this year in absolute terms, but has been on the decline as a relative percentage for quite a few years, FWIW.

**REWahoo** · 02-28-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lazyday

Also read about the option of having sperm frozen and stored...

Isn't there a joke in here somewhere about "stopping by for a cold one"?

lazyday · 02-28-2006, 05:04 PM

"this iced tea tastes funny"

cute fuzzy bunny · 02-28-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMoneyJim

Well yeah, those little cube trays are only 4 for $1 usually. I keep one by the computer, by the bed and in front of the TV. Be prepared!

So THATS why you wanted that tabletop ice machine...!

02-28-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool Dood

As I recall, the cancer rate only ever declined this year in absolute terms, but has been on the decline as a relative percentage for quite a few years, FWIW.

Statistics are funny and can be confusing.

Never the less it was the topic of the in-depth discussion of "If we have all of these early cancer detection tests, why isn't the death rate declining" An implied that it should be declining by a huge amount! Which is has not been!

Nords · 02-28-2006, 05:30 PM

"Why"?!? *I can tell that none of you folks have run across our kid. *When she was a toddler we briefly had a sleep-deprived conversation about a spare heir, not that we were exactly in a frame of mind to be doing anything about it, and spouse asked the key question: "What if the second one is worse? *What if he's a boy like you!??" *End of discussion. *Appointment was made the following week. *

For those of you waxing ecstatic about the convenience & benefits of birth-control pills, save yourself the trouble of discussing this with your female partner. *Get a 2x4, whack yourself alongside the head a couple times, and then go read this book report. *When you learn about the effects of the wrong BCP dosages at the wrong times of a woman's life, let alone during her cycle, then evading a couple snips & clips is no longer defensible. *And non-procreative sex is probably far more preferable than "living" with a partner who, as a result of her BCPs soaking up all the spare libido chemicals in her body, was too zombified to care about sex at all. *Presuming that she's not at monthly risk of a cardiac arrest. *If you don't know what an estradiol is then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. *So increase your longevity-- go read the @#$% book. *Because if you expect the woman in your life to assume the responsibility, then not a judge in the land would overturn the justifiable homicide verdict on your death. *They'd also award child support against your estate.

I highly recommend the medical surgeons in San Diego's Balboa Naval Hospital, or indeed any military surgeon or veteran surgeon. *The procedure is free for active duty and boy, do they do a lot of 'em. *I've heard that it takes 4000 LASIKs for opthamologists to be declared proficient, and I think that's a reasonable goal to expect of a vasectomist.

As for vasectomy reversals, do you really want a surgeon to be dragging out a magnifying glass and a bunch of microsurgery tools in that area of your anatomy? *Didn't think so.

Finally, for those of you still unpersuaded and maybe a little concerned about the expense, I'm sure the board would gladly take up a collection to dissuade some of the posters from further procreation...

MJ · 02-28-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cute n' Fuzzy Bunny

sgeeeeee shoots blanks!

I am always packing and fully loaded and enjoy regular target practice.
I just haven't shot real game in a long time.

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02-28-2006, 01:25 PM	#21
F-One Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 141	Re: Snip Snip Best excuse to have your wife wait on you for 2 to 3 days (doctor's orders)*

02-28-2006, 01:35 PM	#22
haha Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,480	Re: Snip Snip Dahlink, furst I give you zee snip; zen I give you zee slap! Ha __________________ "Show 'em just enough to win the turkey."- Former KY Governor Bert Combs

02-28-2006, 02:03 PM	#24
BigMoneyJim Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,390	Re: Snip Snip Not snipped. I'm 35 and have no kids, but I may want them if I meet a woman who's not....nevermind. I have coworkers who are considering or who have been snipped. A couple are younger than I. I see the appeal, and it's supposedly reversible, but even at 35 I don't think I'd do it even if I had kids and thought I was through with kids and thought my marriage was 100% rock solid. I've seen too many people break up and start new families. Boy Scout motto: Be Prepared.

02-28-2006, 02:07 PM	#25
Outtahere Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,677	Re: Snip Snip I would think that in this instance surgery far out weighs the risk of 30 to 50 years of taking hormones. * * What about if it was you that had to take the "less risky" pill for 50% of your life? Would you take it? __________________ Dogs aren't our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. - Roger Caras

02-28-2006, 04:03 PM	#29
laurence Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,788	Re: Snip Snip The research on the pill has been contradictory, increased chance of this cancer, reduced chance of that cancer. One thing to note is a risk of blood clots, especially if you smoke. But hey, if you are a smoker you already decided to "live life on the edge", so to speak. My friend had the snip snip, got an infection, and the quote that still rings in my ears is, "I woke up in shooting pain, and I look down - grapefruit man! Grapefruit!!"

02-28-2006, 04:33 PM	#30
Outtahere Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,677	Re: Snip Snip Ha, many a woman has had a "surprise" child because she "thought" she was beyond birth control, 50 years is not heroic. As for problems the pills can cause, there are no clear studies that the pill causes cancer, doesn't cause cancer, strokes, blood clots or any other problem, but I certainly don't want to take the chance with my life. There is also no evidence that snipping causes cancer or another problem of the male parts other than wounded pride. Just like I wouldn't go to a quack gyno I would also hope that if a man should decide to be snipped he would find a reputable dr AND pay attention to hygiene after surgery to avoid the "grapefruit" syndrome. __________________ Dogs aren't our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. - Roger Caras

02-28-2006, 04:36 PM	#31
lazyday Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 457	Re: Snip Snip I last looked into this maybe 2 years ago. IIRC, it is not reliably reversable--men who have it "reversed" have a lower chance of success in having a child than men the same age who never had the surgery. Of course, do your own research if you're contemplating, as my memory is quite faulty... I think I also read that compared to the similar procedure given to women, a vasectomy is much simpler, lower risk, and more reliable at preventing impregnation (other than ha's issue). Also read about the option of having sperm frozen and stored (not as expensive as I thought)... the advice there was, if you're freezen em cause you aren't certain about having more kids, then you shouldn't be having the vasectomy at all. I thought that was pretty paternalistic an attitude (no pun intended) and patients should make their own choices, but be told of the risks of losing the chance of fertility in the future, even with the backup in the freezer.

02-28-2006, 04:53 PM	#34
Cool Dood Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 784	Re: Snip Snip As I recall, the cancer rate only ever declined this year in absolute terms, but has been on the decline as a relative percentage for quite a few years, FWIW.

02-28-2006, 05:04 PM	#36
lazyday Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 457	Re: Snip Snip "this iced tea tastes funny"

02-28-2006, 05:30 PM	#39
Nords Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oahu Posts: 15,741	Re: Snip Snip "Why"?!? I can tell that none of you folks have run across our kid. When she was a toddler we briefly had a sleep-deprived conversation about a spare heir, not that we were exactly in a frame of mind to be doing anything about it, and spouse asked the key question: "What if the second one is worse? What if he's a boy like you!??" End of discussion. Appointment was made the following week. For those of you waxing ecstatic about the convenience & benefits of birth-control pills, save yourself the trouble of discussing this with your female partner. Get a 2x4, whack yourself alongside the head a couple times, and then go read this book report. When you learn about the effects of the wrong BCP dosages at the wrong times of a woman's life, let alone during her cycle, then evading a couple snips & clips is no longer defensible. And non-procreative sex is probably far more preferable than "living" with a partner who, as a result of her BCPs soaking up all the spare libido chemicals in her body, was too zombified to care about sex at all. Presuming that she's not at monthly risk of a cardiac arrest. If you don't know what an estradiol is then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. So increase your longevity-- go read the @#$% book. Because if you expect the woman in your life to assume the responsibility, then not a judge in the land would overturn the justifiable homicide verdict on your death. They'd also award child support against your estate. I highly recommend the medical surgeons in San Diego's Balboa Naval Hospital, or indeed any military surgeon or veteran surgeon. The procedure is free for active duty and boy, do they do a lot of 'em. I've heard that it takes 4000 LASIKs for opthamologists to be declared proficient, and I think that's a reasonable goal to expect of a vasectomist. As for vasectomy reversals, do you really want a surgeon to be dragging out a magnifying glass and a bunch of microsurgery tools in that area of your anatomy? Didn't think so. Finally, for those of you still unpersuaded and maybe a little concerned about the expense, I'm sure the board would gladly take up a collection to dissuade some of the posters from further procreation... __________________ * For more info see "About Me" in my profile.