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Old 09-09-2006, 06:58 AM   #21
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Texas--I understood you, but after rereading my post I confused myself. I can understand that after your trials with the Mercury you'd think the GM was good, I would have to disagree. You replaced the alternator two times on a twelve year old car, that's and average of one every four years. That is a lot. I've owned three new cars and many, many old ones with the oldest being twenty years old. I've replaced one alternator. All but one of my cars have been purchased from people who provided very detailed repair records or family. The one alternator I replaced was on a GM that was 12 years old.

I just replaced the brakes on both of my cars. The brakes on the new one lasted five years and 90000 miles and on the old one 10 years and 90000 miles. With the amount of driving I do, if my brakes only lasted 30000 I'd have to get rid of the car. Them brakes are expensive, now that I don't know anybody who actually owns the shop.

My MIL had a Cougar back in the late '80's. She had a lot of problems with that car also.
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Re: The new CEO of Ford drives a Lexus LS430.............
Old 09-09-2006, 09:08 AM   #22
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I've owned a Ford in the 80s. I had all sorts of problems. The dealership & the Ford Co were not helpful.
I told myself never again. I'm willing to pay more and get a Honda or Toyota. Fords may be better now, but I still won't buy one.
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My 11 year old Honda runs like a dream. Other than normal maintenance, I have NEVER had to fix or replace anything. Previous Fords and GM autos were constantly developing problems. My next vehicle will be another Honda or maybe a Toyota. Quality pays in the product lifecycle.
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Texas--I understood you, but after rereading my post I confused myself. I can understand that after your trials with the Mercury you'd think the GM was good, I would have to disagree. You replaced the alternator two times on a twelve year old car, that's and average of one every four years. That is a lot. I've owned three new cars and many, many old ones with the oldest being twenty years old. I've replaced one alternator. All but one of my cars have been purchased from people who provided very detailed repair records or family. The one alternator I replaced was on a GM that was 12 years old.

I just replaced the brakes on both of my cars. The brakes on the new one lasted five years and 90000 miles and on the old one 10 years and 90000 miles. With the amount of driving I do, if my brakes only lasted 30000 I'd have to get rid of the car. Them brakes are expensive, now that I don't know anybody who actually owns the shop.

My MIL had a Cougar back in the late '80's. She had a lot of problems with that car also.
The thing that you have to appreciate is that all cars before were not built as well as today...

So, having a car where 'something' breaks every 4 years to me is built well... for me that is an average of 3 items that break on a car before I get rid of it... move it to 2 does not save me enough to worry about.. move it to zero.. the same... and I do know people who have Hondas and Toyotas that have had things bread (my sister).. She had an Accord and a Civic (her son's) who had a front ball joint break.. she was on the freeway and was lucky not to be in an accident... he was in a parking lot and it only broke when he was turning.. yes, they were both about 12 to 15 yo... but they did break..

So, to me a GM is OK today... now, I did have a Firebird Formula 350 that did have some problems off and on.. but I KNEW that when I bought it.. it had an almost all black from consumer report.. but it was a HOOT to drive.. and in truth, it was a LOT better than the Cougar..

Since you had good luck with Fords.. buy them.. I am sure they are built a lot better today then when I owned... but I do not trust the company.. and I am just following my words... when I bought the car they tried to sell me an extended warranty.. I said.. if it is so bad that I need an extended warrant I will not buy another car from them... well.. guess what?
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Since you had good luck with Fords.. buy them.. I am sure they are built a lot better today then when I owned... but I do not trust the company.. and I am just following my words... when I bought the car they tried to sell me an extended warranty..* I said.. if it is so bad that I need an extended warrant I will not buy another car from them... well.. guess what?
TxP (couldn't use TP), I think the problem was that it was a Cougar, not that it was a Ford. Those things were always junk.

I think with the domestics, you really have to be more picky about which model you buy and pay attention to reliability ratings. I wouldn't worry much about a Crown Vic or a 500, but there are other Fords I wouldn't touch (like their minivan). Same goes for GM and Chrysler. Toyota is starting to get that way (no Avalons for me, thanks), but I am noyt aware of a Honda or Subaru model with any real reliability issues.
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TxP (couldn't use TP), I think the problem was that it was a Cougar, not that it was a Ford. Those things were always junk.

I think with the domestics, you really have to be more picky about which model you buy and pay attention to reliability ratings. I wouldn't worry much about a Crown Vic or a 500, but there are other Fords I wouldn't touch (like their minivan). Same goes for GM and Chrysler. Toyota is starting to get that way (no Avalons for me, thanks), but I am noyt aware of a Honda or Subaru model with any real reliability issues.
Thanks... but this was thier 'new' Cougar that was supposed to be built well..

My sister had various Lincolns and she had a lot of problems.. they just lived with a number of them... but they keep buying Fords.. they now own 'new' Explorer and Crown Vic.. they are not even two years old and so far I do not think they have had any problems.. but I see the records on Consumer's Report and I do not see them at the top of the list.. and GM had been better than Ford for a number of years..

Honda did have problems with their 5 speed auto... I know three people at work that have had replacements.. one has had three replacements... all paid for by Honda, but still... but I still think Honda and Toyota is better than the domestics...

I have never really liked the Suburu... I don't know what caused me to have them in my mind negatively, but they are..

I liked my Mazda GLC way back when.... but Mazda is nowFord.. so they are off the list...
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Thanks... but this was thier 'new' Cougar that was supposed to be built well..
The new Cougar was a piece of crap, too.
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The new Cougar was a piece of crap, too.
Yep... I know... I owned one... but this was not the small Cougar.. it was an '85...

but unless Ford is shown to build the best car made in the world... they burned me and I will not give them any profit if I can help it.. so, they can improve to 'catch up'.. but that is not enough.. at least for me... I will give my money to another company that has not burned me and makes a product that is currently betterr or at least the same..
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It took me 3 Fords in a row (my first cars) before the 2x4 hit me between the eyes and ask why I was such a slow learner. Granted these were late 60's and mid-70's vehicles and they truly were crap, and an awful lot (most) other vehicles were crap then too. But Ford never got any further business from me and never will.

CR and JD Power provide the most telling story regardless of our individual experiences, biases and loyalties. Somehow vehicles sometimes become as emotionally attached as our first borns. Let the accumulated data speak for itself.

I think GM deserves a new chance. The new GM warranty puts the money where the mouth is and latest CR and JD Power data show that many of the GM products have had remarkable improvements in quality. Impala is one that comes to mind. It can be done...just like Hyundai has done it.

For the record, I have also owned 2 Toyotas, 2 GMs, 2 Nissans, 1 Infiniti and 1 Chrysler (minivan) before DW and I bought our current vehicles ('06 Toyota RAV4 Limited V6 and '07 Inifiniti M35X) as retirement gifts to ourselves.
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I only buy domestic.
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Texas--I know where you're coming fom I would walk before I buy another GM. Not mainly because mine were normally in the garage, but because of the customer service I received form the company. The constatnly needing to fixed thing is important, but not the primary reason for me not to buy GM.
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I refuse to buy a vehicle that's not made in America by an American company. When you buy a car from a foreign company even though it might be made in the United States you are doing nothing to insure the long term survival of American companies. I consider anyone driving a Lexus (or Honda or Saab or Toyota, etc.) to be downright Un-American.
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I refuse to buy a vehicle that's not made in America by an American company. When you buy a car from a foreign company even though it might be made in the United States you are doing nothing to insure the long term survival of American companies. I consider anyone driving a Lexus (or Honda or Saab or Toyota, etc.) to be downright Un-American.
Sounds like you don't like capitalism. I consider anyone who doesn't like capitalism to be downright Un-American.

Does your protectionist attitude re consumer goods extend to other consumer items - food, drink, household goods, electronics, etc? What if a consumer good is "tainted" with imported parts (all domestic vehicles) or foreign labor (many "domestic" vehicles)?

Do you think I'm un-American because I transact business with those companies giving me the best value for my money, regardless of nationality?

Do you think GM, Ford, or Dodge puts out vehicles superior to those produced by Honda or Toyota? Assuming you did agree that Honda/Toyota made better cars than GM/Ford, would you still buy the inferior product?

I guess you don't own many international mutual funds?
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I refuse to buy a vehicle that's not made in America by an American company. When you buy a car from a foreign company even though it might be made in the United States you are doing nothing to insure the long term survival of American companies. I consider anyone driving a Lexus (or Honda or Saab or Toyota, etc.) to be downright Un-American.
A Honda built in Ohio?

or

A Ford built in Mexico?
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I refuse to buy a vehicle that's not made in America by an American company. When you buy a car from a foreign company even though it might be made in the United States you are doing nothing to insure the long term survival of American companies. I consider anyone driving a Lexus (or Honda or Saab or Toyota, etc.) to be downright Un-American.
I wouldn't go as far as to call buyers of cars that don't have a US brand name "un-Merkin", but I will admit that if all else were equal, I would buy a US-made car. *Unfortunately, this isn't a simple matter any more. *Is Chrysler a US company? *What do you make of the Mercedes-Benz manufactued in Alabama? *Heck, my old Ford Escort had a Japanese-made transmission, and my Subaru was built in Indiana.
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There is no way for you to know!
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There is no way for you to know!*
There is, but it takes a LOT of digging to figure out which cars built by American manufacturers are actually imports.
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There is, but it takes a LOT of digging to figure out which cars built by American manufacturers are actually imports.
Yeah, but even then, enough components are likely made "elsewhere" such that you really can't ever be sure where most of a car is made.
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