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Old 10-14-2013, 10:41 AM   #21
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I was wondering about toilet and bathing facilities more than anything else. Regarding the Hawaii trip, I used to work with a guy who previously had spent several years living on a beach in Hawaii
Life's a beach for some homeless in Hawaii - USATODAY.com
A couple of years ago we hiked the Kalalau trail in Kauai, Hawaii (absolutely dangerous but gorgeous). There were quite a few homeless hippie types at the end of the trail living on and around the beach. They have a nice waterfall to drink from and quite a bit of fruit growing on the trees. Oh, and little pockets of weed here and there.

I mean it isn't the life for me, but it didn't seem like living in a cardboard box in NYC either.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:53 AM   #22
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On the subject of living with less.......here is an amusing story...

Yesterday I noticed my neighbor had returned home from his Camp-where he has his 5th wheel trailer set up and they go there each weekend for 6 months of the year.

He came in with his dually pickup with a flat trailer attached, his wife arrived with her
Trailblazer with thier box trailer attached...The collection got me wondering...how many tires does my neighbor have on his vehicles??

So I made a list. Between his dually, her SUV, the 5th wheel, 3-4 wheelers, a box trailer, a dual axle flat trailer, a golf cart and his Harley trike, plus his riding mower, tiller and snowblower, plus the spares on the truck, SUV, 5th wheel and on one trailer, I came up with 50 tires!!!!!!!!! FIFTY tires!!!!!


and 18 axles, 8 batteries, ..


They have no kids. They are not by any means wealthy....he retired this past year but it must be a full time job keeping all those tires and batteries maintained....not to mention registrations and inspections and GASOLINE!!!!!!!!

Thankfully they are very neat and keep all this stuff either in a small garage and shed, or inside the box trailer.

I can't get my mind around it!!!!!

I gotta find something else to do on a rainy Sunday!!!!!!! But all those vehicles arriving at once got to me!!!!

PS I analyzed my own tire situation and realize I have 20, including spares. ( SUV, vintage car, Harley,tiller, snow blower and riding mower.)

For ONE person. Does that not seem excessive?!?!?!?!?

Think Im gonna by stock in Goodyear!!!!!
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Where does he get power from?..
Nowadays, for $500-1000, one can get a decent-sized solar panel, a charge controller, a couple of deep cycle batteries, an inverter, and have all the power needed for electronics, plus lighting at night.

That's what RV'ers do, so they can camp out in the wild in comfort without hookup (or to surf the Web while at Walmarts for a night stop ).
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Think Im gonna by stock in Goodyear!!!!!
My tire total came to 31 - including the hand truck and wheelbarrow.
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Get snowmobiles. More toys without increasing your tire budget!
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Who says reinventing the wheel is a waste of time?
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Early on... about 30 years ago, in a short period of semi-depression over the j*b, I spent some time with Mother Earth News, and a large book on basic, low cost, back to nature living. Kids were out of school, and "other" reponsibilities were at a low point, imagination ran wild.
Found some super "cheap" wooded hillside land in the Adirondaks, small stream, with a fairly large well built natural log cabin, hunting lodge. In this "dream", DW and I could live off the land, trade services with neighbors, and eventually build a business or businesses in things that we enjoy the most...

In retrospect? It could have worked. The place where dreams meet reality is "age"...
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+1 I recall at one point in my 30s I thought about ditching it all, buying some acreage and a cabin and living off the land - gardening, canning, hunting, fishing, heating with wood harvested off our land, etc. We would have needed to pay for electricity, property taxes, gasoline and some other costs but we did have a decent nestegg at the point. I think we could have made it work but the more I thought abut it all that gardening, hunting , fishing, chopping wood, etc sounds like a lot more work that what I was doing at the time.
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+1 I recall at one point in my 30s I thought about ditching it all, buying some acreage and a cabin and living off the land - gardening, canning, hunting, fishing, heating with wood harvested off our land, etc. We would have needed to pay for electricity, property taxes, gasoline and some other costs but we did have a decent nestegg at the point. I think we could have made it work but the more I thought abut it all that gardening, hunting , fishing, chopping wood, etc sounds like a lot more work that what I was doing at the time.

Where do I sign?

Too bad DW would never go for it in a million years.
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+1 I recall at one point in my 30s I thought about ditching it all, buying some acreage and a cabin and living off the land - gardening, canning, hunting, fishing, heating with wood harvested off our land, etc. We would have needed to pay for electricity, property taxes, gasoline and some other costs but we did have a decent nestegg at the point. I think we could have made it work but the more I thought abut it all that gardening, hunting , fishing, chopping wood, etc sounds like a lot more work that what I was doing at the time.
It probably would not take much outside income to live like the Amish, but their lives seem to be filled with hard work.

For us the 80/20 is downsizing, decluttering, and sustainable living practices, but no crops, livestock or canning is involved. I'd rather save money by shopping at ethnic markets and Costco and have free time to spend at a park or the beach than grow my own food.

We live near a lot of ethnic markets, so I can get a big basket of fresh produce each week for around $15. I just got a 10 pound bag of potatoes for $2. If I could plant higher cost food like frozen pizzas, then it might be more worth it.
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PS I analyzed my own tire situation and realize I have 20, including spares. ( SUV, vintage car, Harley,tiller, snow blower and riding mower.)

For ONE person. Does that not seem excessive?!?!?!?!?

Think Im gonna by stock in Goodyear!!!!!
Now, you've got me counting tires.
4+1 for the car + 8 for the 4 bicycles + 2 for the manual push mower = 15 for 2 people.
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Talk about wheels and tires, I had to make a list...

Darn! Total of 50 (including spares that are mounted on the vehicles)...

If that seems excessive, remember that I also counted the two wheelbarrows (one at each house).

Oh wait. I see that someone also counted his hand truck. Damn!
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Oh wait. I see that someone also counted his hand truck. Damn!
If it is a pneumatic tire, I counted it...
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OK, my hand truck is a cheapo one with solid wheels. Phew! Still at 50.
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For just myself its 13 tires, wheelbarrow, bicycle, lawn seed spreader (yep that push thing has pneumatic tires) trailer w/spare, and a car w/spare.

And I agree, they are a pita, just got 4 new ones for the car. I will NEVER buy those 'green' high fuel economy tires again. Awful ride and in the winter its like having bald tires!
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Ok, this wheel thing has got me thinking and it is not good. DW used to race road and mountain bikes for many years. I ride, too. While I only have three bikes, DW has more bikes than I care to count. And then there are all the extra wheel sets. Just an estimate (since I can't recall what is in the garage at our second home & I really don't want to know), we could have over 50 bike wheels. The saving grace is no wheelbarrows or hand trucks. The next time DW complains about the number of jeans I have, I am going to remind him about all his wheels. At least my jeans don't require a second garage.
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Wow, I guess my life is simple. Two wheels for me here in the Philippines (motorcycle) and two wheels in the USA (bicycle).

Maybe we have stumbled upon a new "Simple Life" metric . . .
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Once I start counting the tires on our bikes and kids bikes (total of 9.5 bikes), number of tires quickly goes through the roof. We need another metric, like number of tires / person.
Otherwise, it is unfair that Kramer can get away with a smaller household number :-).
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I'm willing to just count combustible engines. Of those, I also have too many.
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Once I start counting the tires on our bikes and kids bikes (total of 9.5 bikes), number of tires quickly goes through the roof. We need another metric, like number of tires / person. Otherwise, it is unfair that Kramer can get away with a smaller household number :-).
Kramer will get a unicycle then .
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