Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-15-2007, 05:05 PM   #21
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
dex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,105
Quote:
Originally Posted by perinova View Post
I am going to discord quite a bit with previous opinions here.

No-one mentioned that there is a law in Turkey (in their penal code I believe?) that makes it illegal to admit the Armenian genocide. The successive Turkish regimes have a revisionist attitude toward it and are heavily providing desinformation on the subject.

That is IMHO a good reason for this proposed resoution: Helping scholars tell the truth about this and make pressure on Turkey not to jail people just because they have an opinion!
If they want to remain an ally of the US they will. I am thinking that they need this alliance as much as the US if not more.
{Guys remember we don't always get involved where there is oil or out of self interest. Sometimes it feels good to do something just because it is the right thing to do."}

Anyway the dems in Congress are trying to find as many ways as possible to end this war as early as possible and this could be just another piece of it and might be the real reason for the resolution.

Here is a link indicating that the problem with section 306 of Turkish pernal code dates at least from 2004 Congressman Frank Pallone, Jr. (NJ06) - Pallone Urges State Department to Condemn New Turkish Code
Is it really the job of the United States Government to pass judgement (up or down) on all the laws passed by all the governments around the world?

Maybe a better place for what you are getting at is the United Nations.
__________________

__________________
Sometimes death is not as tragic as not knowing how to live. This man knew how to live--and how to make others glad they were living. - Jack Benny at Nat King Cole's funeral
dex is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 10-15-2007, 07:44 PM   #22
Recycles dryer sheets
perinova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by dex View Post
Is it really the job of the United States Government to pass judgement (up or down) on all the laws passed by all the governments around the world?

Maybe a better place for what you are getting at is the United Nations.
I agree with you - the UN is a better place.

As for is this our job or our calling to pass judgement or should we just take care of our business...
Well I am not sure I am ready to kick yet another debate on this subject tonight.
.
__________________

__________________
perinova is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2007, 08:31 PM   #23
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
dex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,105
Perinova,
You did something that few others have done (I've done it) - that is say you agree with someone else.
Thanks - it adds to the friendly atmosphere on this board.
__________________
Sometimes death is not as tragic as not knowing how to live. This man knew how to live--and how to make others glad they were living. - Jack Benny at Nat King Cole's funeral
dex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2007, 09:04 PM   #24
Moderator
bssc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,927
I think that this was a reflection of the pull that the Armenians have within California. After all, Ronald Reagan was very supportive of their cause and he was not really that close to Pelosi on the political spectrum.

Republican Armenian remember Reagan's support
__________________
Angels danced on the day that you were born.
bssc is offline   Reply With Quote
The armeinan bill is nuts
Old 10-17-2007, 07:25 AM   #25
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 961
The armeinan bill is nuts

According to news reports this morning it appears that at least 6 Dems are going to change their votes and vote against this bill. It is about time that they put the interest of the nation ahead of their own.

NewGuy888 where are you at? What has happen to your posts on political issues?

I hope that you have not allowed the constant criticisms by some on this forum to curb your freedom of speech.

NewGuy888 exercise your right of free speech and if they do not like what you have to say then they have the choice to ignore it or not read it.

GOD BLESS
__________________
Wags is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2007, 08:33 AM   #26
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
HFWR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lawn chair in Texas
Posts: 12,964
One note piano?

Why are we so concerned with Turds and Kurks, anyway?

Oh, nevermind...
__________________
Have Funds, Will Retire

...not doing anything of true substance...
HFWR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2007, 11:46 AM   #27
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wags View Post
According to news reports this morning it appears that at least 6 Dems are going to change their votes and vote against this bill. It is about time that they put the interest of the nation ahead of their own.
When will the Republicans do the same?
__________________
genghis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2007, 06:57 PM   #28
Recycles dryer sheets
perinova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wags View Post
It is about time that they put the interest of the nation ahead of their own.
Wags
I am not so sure that the interest of the nation is to vote "No" here. Of course that is a very complicated issue and both positions can be argued in faith.

Please tell me why voting "Yes" to this resolution would be putting their own interest first? I don't see it. In I am pretty sure it isn't since most Americans probably don't care about this issue they have no political gain in doing so.
__________________
perinova is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2007, 07:27 PM   #29
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 11,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by perinova View Post
Please tell me why voting "Yes" to this resolution would be putting their own interest first? I don't see it. In I am pretty sure it isn't since most Americans probably don't care about this issue they have no political gain in doing so.
Well, you didn't ask me, but I'll chime in: You already identified the interests of the Democratic leadership in your earlier post. This all about the war, and influencing same. When Bill Clinton was President, he opposed a nearly identical denunciationof Turkey for the same reason President Bush opposes it now: The adverse impact on Turkish/US relations.

The mystery to me is why the Democrats are rolling up their tent on this one. It is possible that some Democrats in closely contested districts realize the war will not be the express lane to electoral victory in 2008 they'd hoped for. There is progress on the ground in Iraq, US troops are soon to be drawing down incrementally, Al Qaeda in Iraq is on the ropes. The more moderate Democrats may believe it is time to get on board so they won't be depicted as the defeatists who tried to quit the fight.

Or, maybe not.

There's no doubt that the Ottoman Empire killed a very large number of Armenians.
__________________
"Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite." - R. Heinlein
samclem is online now   Reply With Quote
The Armeinan Bill is Nuts
Old 10-17-2007, 11:03 PM   #30
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 961
The Armeinan Bill is Nuts

In the Christian Science Monitor (edition for 18 Oct 27) there is an article titled "How Genocide Vote Lost Steam". How 'genocide' vote lost steam | csmonitor.com

It appears that the pack of mangy varmints (Dems & Reps) are reconsidering their positions and votes on this issue.

The article is a good read.

GOD BLESS
__________________
Wags is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2007, 09:04 AM   #31
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,322
Looks like they're off to the races.

Turkish Military, PKK Clash Near Iraq Border; 35 Dead

Oct. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Turkey's army and Kurdish militants clashed near the border with Iraq today in fighting that killed 35 people, as Turkey considered an attack on the group's bases in Iraq's Kurdish-controlled north.

Bloomberg.com: Worldwide
__________________
FinallyRetired is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2007, 07:58 PM   #32
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Metro DC Area
Posts: 134
Hey, I'm half Armenian

So why exactly is our Congress wasting time debating whether to officially recognize the Armenian genocide as genocide? Isn't it 100 years too late?
__________________
daystar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2007, 05:56 AM   #33
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,322
Quote:
Originally Posted by daystar View Post
Hey, I'm half Armenian

So why exactly is our Congress wasting time debating whether to officially recognize the Armenian genocide as genocide? Isn't it 100 years too late?
Glad to see a half Armenian weigh in. I agree, seems about as useful as a resolution condemning Native American genocide or slavery, which would be a more appropriate topic for the US Congress. It's well known that both Armenians and Kurds got the short end of the stick after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The question for today is, how can we best foster peace and prevent a re-occurrence.
__________________
FinallyRetired is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2007, 07:52 AM   #34
Full time employment: Posting here.
cantlogin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pocono Mtns.
Posts: 884
Will someone explain what well nuts is?
__________________
cantlogin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2007, 08:01 AM   #35
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantlogin View Post
Will someone explain what well nuts is?
They are found at the opposite end of the shaft from the well head.
__________________
bpp3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2007, 08:08 AM   #36
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
martyb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bossier City
Posts: 2,182
__________________
“Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.”
-John F. Kennedy

“Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?” - Edgar Bergen
martyb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2007, 08:11 AM   #37
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
REWahoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 42,102
I always thought it was a condition you got from spending too much time in cold well water...
__________________

__________________
Numbers is hard

When I hit 70, it hit back

Retired in 2005 at age 58, no pension
REWahoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
This is nuts REWahoo Other topics 31 04-06-2007 07:12 PM
House v. Condo--are we nuts here? OKLibrarian Young Dreamers 11 03-31-2007 11:09 AM
Am I nuts? WanderALot Other topics 16 07-20-2006 11:49 AM
This is nuts farmerEd Young Dreamers 49 06-05-2005 03:38 PM
Retire Afloat Nuts&Bolts john killeen Life after FIRE 1 07-10-2003 05:36 AM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:10 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.