Average Joe
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I hope this is useful. It seems simple to me. So simple that I wouldn’t bother explaining it here except that no one I’ve explained it to understands it and all are sure that I must be not just wrong – but very wrong on this. So, maybe I’m missing something important – but here goes:
With a military, or similarly structured pension plan, after the point of retirement eligibility, calculating compensation for continued service requires taking pension into account, both what you can collect now, and the increase gained by serving longer instead. Either I, or many of my peers don’t understand this well. I’ve been retirement eligible for a while and in conversation about retirement with others who are close enough to be thinking about it, they are incredulous when I mention how much staying in is worth to me in terms of money. They often think only in terms of what their pension will be and how much their income will be when they add it to their salary for whatever their next job is. Some don’t seem to think about real retirement – just the next job. They don’t seem to know (and in some cases seem to want to remain unknowing) what effective compensation looks like once they are eligible for a pension. Some have asked me to explain my math and then they become irritated when my figures don’t match what their vague idea of what’s about right (and they don’t seem to have calculated their own figures by any method at all). They say I must be making some mistake. But they can’t find my mistake. Commonly they’ll object to my ignoring inflation, which should have little bearing on a COLA’d pension – the numbers will change in the future but the value will remain roughly same – so we can simply think in terms of today’s dollars and be on firm ground as far as understanding value. But I get the “Oh well you haven’t figured for inflation, that’s why this is all wrong and you numbers are way too high.” “OK how would I adjust this for inflation, and since it’s a COLA’d pension why would I need to in order to understand it?” “Oh well, it’s really complicated, and uh…. Oh look at the time, I have to get going, have to go do...” Or they’ll want to talk about 401K or stock options in some future job after retirement; very complicated and sophisticated sounding and relevant to measuring compensation for some other possible job, but totally irrelevant to how we measure our compensation for the job we’re doing now. Either I’m dumb and making a mistake or they are outsmarting themselves. I know well there are considerations other than financial for serving in and retiring from the military. But it’s nevertheless preferable to have a reasonably firm idea of how much money it’s worth – at least for comparison to other opportunities.
What follows is how I calculate effective compensation for further service past retirement eligibility with a military pension.
Assume at the start of the year total actual pay (including all allowances, special pays, etc) is $102,960. Assume also that at the start of the year you could begin collecting a pension of $42,756. Assume that with another year of service that pension will rise to $45,108.
Your effective compensation is actual pay minus the pension you could collect if you retired instead of serving another year, plus the lifetime value of the increase in future pension if you do serve another year. It’s that last figure that is slippery to quantify. No one knows exactly how long they’ll live to collect the larger pension. I used to use a spreadsheet that calculated its value based on life expectancy, into which I built a field where I could enter different life expectancies and see the values change – and demonstrate that if I expected to die in my 50’s I am not being paid much for my efforts, but if I expect to die in my 70’s and beyond, I am well paid.
But over the last year I’ve done it a different way, without using life expectancy. Calculate the value of the pension increase based on how much you’d have to invest to continue drawing that increase at the 4% SWR (or whatever SWR you think is more appropriate) for the rest of your life, regardless of how long you live. Applying this method to the example figures above effective compensation for the year would result in the following:
Actual compensation $102,960
Minus possible pension at start of year $42,756
Equals $60,204 real compensation
Plus the amount it would take invested to generate the pension increase of $2,352 every year for life – that is 2,352 divided by .04 (if we use the 4% SWR) or $58,800
$60,204 real compensation plus $58,800 “virtual compensation” (to generate the increase in pension) amounts to an effective compensation of $119,004.
Everyone I know seems to want to imagine they are making much less than their actual pay once they pass 20 when from my perspective, if they’ve been promoted in the last three years, they are compensated by far more than their actual pay. If they are not in that high three period, their effective compensation does go down under actual pay, but not by nearly as much as they imagine. And if promotion is still in the cards for them, actual compensation averaged out over the time until retiring in the higher grade can be huge. No one seems to like my concept of virtual compensation or a virtual account that generates their COLA’d pension. Everyone seems to think my estimate of effective compensation is grossly inflated somehow. Maybe it’s beyond their usual frame of reference to imagine what they’d need to generate their pension themselves. I know my formula is far from perfect. The biggest weakness of this method, as I see it, is that you don’t actually own the “virtual principal” you use to calculate what it would take to generate your pension. There are also some pre and post retirement tax differential considerations. But this gets you in the ballpark of your effective compensation much more accurately than the old saw that says after 20 you’re working for half pay. If you can find the error everyone thinks I must be making, I’d like to know what it is.
I built a spreadsheet that calculates this in monthly increments over the next five years both with and without promotion. Over the past year I have the figures for how much I’d have had to invest each month to generate the pension increase that I earned that month. Since I’ve been finishing out the last of my first three years in grade, I like the numbers I’ve seen.
I like the future numbers too, but will stop thinking about them much further into the future. Unless the powers that be invoke some extraordinary exception to deny my application for retirement, I’m done before the year is out. My spreadsheet has been useful to compare current compensation to jobs offered. But now it’s irrelevant to me. Non-financial considerations have precipitated my decision to retire and rendered my favorite spreadsheet nothing more than a measure of spilt milk. After the dust has settled, I’ll delete the calculations that run beyond the retirement date I’ve requested – and forget about what I’m giving up. What I’m gaining is more valuable to me.
So here’s a formula that may be useful to someone in a situation similar to my previous one: effective compensation = pay – pension possible now + (pension increase/.04). If you’re not yet past 20 but getting close, calculate it over your remaining time until 20, use your whole annual pension at 20 as the pension increase figure – you’ll see that staying the course may be worth a good bit.
With a military, or similarly structured pension plan, after the point of retirement eligibility, calculating compensation for continued service requires taking pension into account, both what you can collect now, and the increase gained by serving longer instead. Either I, or many of my peers don’t understand this well. I’ve been retirement eligible for a while and in conversation about retirement with others who are close enough to be thinking about it, they are incredulous when I mention how much staying in is worth to me in terms of money. They often think only in terms of what their pension will be and how much their income will be when they add it to their salary for whatever their next job is. Some don’t seem to think about real retirement – just the next job. They don’t seem to know (and in some cases seem to want to remain unknowing) what effective compensation looks like once they are eligible for a pension. Some have asked me to explain my math and then they become irritated when my figures don’t match what their vague idea of what’s about right (and they don’t seem to have calculated their own figures by any method at all). They say I must be making some mistake. But they can’t find my mistake. Commonly they’ll object to my ignoring inflation, which should have little bearing on a COLA’d pension – the numbers will change in the future but the value will remain roughly same – so we can simply think in terms of today’s dollars and be on firm ground as far as understanding value. But I get the “Oh well you haven’t figured for inflation, that’s why this is all wrong and you numbers are way too high.” “OK how would I adjust this for inflation, and since it’s a COLA’d pension why would I need to in order to understand it?” “Oh well, it’s really complicated, and uh…. Oh look at the time, I have to get going, have to go do...” Or they’ll want to talk about 401K or stock options in some future job after retirement; very complicated and sophisticated sounding and relevant to measuring compensation for some other possible job, but totally irrelevant to how we measure our compensation for the job we’re doing now. Either I’m dumb and making a mistake or they are outsmarting themselves. I know well there are considerations other than financial for serving in and retiring from the military. But it’s nevertheless preferable to have a reasonably firm idea of how much money it’s worth – at least for comparison to other opportunities.
What follows is how I calculate effective compensation for further service past retirement eligibility with a military pension.
Assume at the start of the year total actual pay (including all allowances, special pays, etc) is $102,960. Assume also that at the start of the year you could begin collecting a pension of $42,756. Assume that with another year of service that pension will rise to $45,108.
Your effective compensation is actual pay minus the pension you could collect if you retired instead of serving another year, plus the lifetime value of the increase in future pension if you do serve another year. It’s that last figure that is slippery to quantify. No one knows exactly how long they’ll live to collect the larger pension. I used to use a spreadsheet that calculated its value based on life expectancy, into which I built a field where I could enter different life expectancies and see the values change – and demonstrate that if I expected to die in my 50’s I am not being paid much for my efforts, but if I expect to die in my 70’s and beyond, I am well paid.
But over the last year I’ve done it a different way, without using life expectancy. Calculate the value of the pension increase based on how much you’d have to invest to continue drawing that increase at the 4% SWR (or whatever SWR you think is more appropriate) for the rest of your life, regardless of how long you live. Applying this method to the example figures above effective compensation for the year would result in the following:
Actual compensation $102,960
Minus possible pension at start of year $42,756
Equals $60,204 real compensation
Plus the amount it would take invested to generate the pension increase of $2,352 every year for life – that is 2,352 divided by .04 (if we use the 4% SWR) or $58,800
$60,204 real compensation plus $58,800 “virtual compensation” (to generate the increase in pension) amounts to an effective compensation of $119,004.
Everyone I know seems to want to imagine they are making much less than their actual pay once they pass 20 when from my perspective, if they’ve been promoted in the last three years, they are compensated by far more than their actual pay. If they are not in that high three period, their effective compensation does go down under actual pay, but not by nearly as much as they imagine. And if promotion is still in the cards for them, actual compensation averaged out over the time until retiring in the higher grade can be huge. No one seems to like my concept of virtual compensation or a virtual account that generates their COLA’d pension. Everyone seems to think my estimate of effective compensation is grossly inflated somehow. Maybe it’s beyond their usual frame of reference to imagine what they’d need to generate their pension themselves. I know my formula is far from perfect. The biggest weakness of this method, as I see it, is that you don’t actually own the “virtual principal” you use to calculate what it would take to generate your pension. There are also some pre and post retirement tax differential considerations. But this gets you in the ballpark of your effective compensation much more accurately than the old saw that says after 20 you’re working for half pay. If you can find the error everyone thinks I must be making, I’d like to know what it is.
I built a spreadsheet that calculates this in monthly increments over the next five years both with and without promotion. Over the past year I have the figures for how much I’d have had to invest each month to generate the pension increase that I earned that month. Since I’ve been finishing out the last of my first three years in grade, I like the numbers I’ve seen.
I like the future numbers too, but will stop thinking about them much further into the future. Unless the powers that be invoke some extraordinary exception to deny my application for retirement, I’m done before the year is out. My spreadsheet has been useful to compare current compensation to jobs offered. But now it’s irrelevant to me. Non-financial considerations have precipitated my decision to retire and rendered my favorite spreadsheet nothing more than a measure of spilt milk. After the dust has settled, I’ll delete the calculations that run beyond the retirement date I’ve requested – and forget about what I’m giving up. What I’m gaining is more valuable to me.
So here’s a formula that may be useful to someone in a situation similar to my previous one: effective compensation = pay – pension possible now + (pension increase/.04). If you’re not yet past 20 but getting close, calculate it over your remaining time until 20, use your whole annual pension at 20 as the pension increase figure – you’ll see that staying the course may be worth a good bit.