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Old 08-24-2005, 05:27 AM   #41
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This is a point that seems to be lost in most of the tax debates in the US.* What do you get for the money?* A 75% tax rate could be a good deal if the benefits were great enough.

I disagree completely. IT's just a bigger ball and chain. Benefits trough
higher taxes? Dream on.

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Old 08-24-2005, 10:09 AM   #42
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Spoken like a true Ayn Rand fan!
I've seen how well my taxes get used at the DMV. I don't need more benefits like that.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:17 PM   #43
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I disagree completely.* IT's just a bigger ball and chain.* Benefits trough
higher taxes?* Dream on.

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This is the knee-jerk "no tax is a good tax" response. It takes no thought. Just mention the word "tax" and the response comes from a certain group that has drank the right wing kool-aid.

My previous post didn't suggest adding a tax, or an acceptable tax/benefit requirement, or any specific benefits. I simply pointed out that being against any tax without considering any benefit is simple minded and incomplete. Thank-you for confirming that there really are people that simple-minded.
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My view is that the government has shown no competance in managing the budget (i.e. our hard-earned money) or in spending it wisely; therefore, I'm not inclined to want high taxes/spending.

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My view is that the government has shown no competance in managing the budget (i.e. our hard-earned money) or in spending it wisely; therefore, I'm not inclined to want high taxes/spending.

"Should five percent appear too small, be thankful I don't take it ALL..."

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Yeah. Nobody likes taxes. The government gets it all wrong. All the politicians want is more. Everybody agrees on this.

But that's the problem. We can't have a serious discussion of what we are getting for our tax dollar and whether we could get what we need in a more efficient manner. I mean it's not like industry avoids buying $500 hammers or spending millions on programs that are . . . well, stupid. Large organizations are not as efficient as smaller ones. But sometimes there are benefits to large organizational efforts and that requires large organizations.

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Well, I don't necessarily "dislike" taxes. I'm more Hamiltonian than Jeffersonian, in the sense that without a federal government with some "teeth", we would have never grown into the nation we are.

There are too many politicians beholden to too many interest groups, whilst the citizenry sleeps...

I'd be thrilled to hear a REAL debate of the issues, rather than the "shout-you-down" crap that passes for dialogue, both in the media and in politics. But pragmatists don't seem to get far in politics these days...
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