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Old 02-21-2013, 08:06 AM   #81
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Got it. Thanks. This was said during an election debate. Not really related to the PPACA.
Actually, I remember him saying the same thing after he was elected during the runup to the actual passage of PPACA. And no, not being as facile as you with links, I can't provide one at the moment.
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I tried to find such a statement, leading up to passage of the PPACA, and I couldn't. I did find the statement made during the campaign.
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Got it. Thanks. This was said during an election debate. Not really related to the PPACA.

I agree with this stmt... what Obama was running on to get elected and what he proposed for law were two completely different things...

He was talking (during the election) of reducing the total cost of health care... saving the nation billions of dollars if you restructured the health care system...

His proposal was universal health care.... at a cost of $1 trillion to the gvmt in the first decade... now, because of new taxes the net cost to the gvmt might be zero, but might not....


Most people wanted what he promised and not what was passed... don't get me wrong, I think a lot of what is in the law is good (even though I do not like the whole thing), but it was not what he had promised...
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And in reality, dental "insurance" is the exact opposite of what insurance should be. It covers relatively small expenses, almost with the first dollar, up to a low limit at which time the insured owes 100% of "catastrophic" costs above the plan's maximum benefit. Actual insurance works the opposite way.

I think that dental insurance has some of the things that is good.... IOW, if you can go to the dentist and get a cleaning for 'free', a lot of people actually do it... prevention in dental care is very important for overall dental health...

I do agree that there should be better coverage at the top....
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[Mod hat on] I think everyone has had an opportunity to share what their expectation was regarding the PPACA. This is steadily slipping into the type of political discussion that we donít want, so I suggest we leave that part as is and get back on topic, which is what the PPACA is. [Mod hat off]
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I think that dental insurance has some of the things that is good.... IOW, if you can go to the dentist and get a cleaning for 'free', a lot of people actually do it... prevention in dental care is very important for overall dental health...

I do agree that there should be better coverage at the top....
I'm not saying dental coverage isn't a good thing, at least if it's employer-subsidized, I'm just being pedantic and saying it's silly that we call it "insurance" when it's pretty much the antithesis of the insurance model.
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I'm not saying dental coverage isn't a good thing, at least if it's employer-subsidized, I'm just being pedantic and saying it's silly that we call it "insurance" when it's pretty much the antithesis of the insurance model.


Yes... I agree....
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I remember reading something recently which mentioned, as one of a remarkably (to me) small set of keys to a comfortable retirement "wear a night guard every night". What I find interesting is that that one rather important aspect of dental care is not only not covered by health insurance typically, but isn't even covered by most dental insurance. (My current night guard cost $800!)
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I remember reading something recently which mentioned, as one of a remarkably (to me) small set of keys to a comfortable retirement "wear a night guard every night". What I find interesting is that that one rather important aspect of dental care is not only not covered by health insurance typically, but isn't even covered by most dental insurance. (My current night guard cost $800!)
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Appropriate? Perhaps, though since the insurance we're paying for promotes itself on the purchasing power it offers, negotiating discounts with providers, some price break might have been expected. However, that's not really the point I was making.
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I tried to find such a statement, leading up to passage of the PPACA, and I couldn't. I did find the statement made during the campaign.
Many of you who followed the healthcare debate probably watched the Blair House summit in Febraury, 2010. Beginning at the 3 minute point of this video, President Obama forcefully argues that passage of the PPACA will lower premiums in the individual market (for the same coverage) by 14-20 percent. Although, he doesn't specifically use the $2,500 number, that number can fall within his range.

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Thanks folks, we think the questions posed in the OP have been answered and this thread has now run its course.
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