Public Transportation? Available to you?

[JustMeUC]

I have just read yet another article that states that you should give up your car and use public transportation to save money. Wonderful, if ya got it!! I lived in NYC and have to say I loved having that option, and it surely did save a lot of money, which was of course offset by the general cost of living there, but that's another story.

When gas was so high a couple of years ago I decided to check out my public transportation options. My own situation is that I live in a bedroom community about 20 miles outside the capital of my state. I would have to drive (or walk if I really gave up my car??) about 8 miles to catch a vanpool which would cost me $125/month to join. The schedule is a very strict once a day option, hope it works for your schedule! When I get to "big city" I would then need to take 2 different buses, then must walk about 1 mile to the office from the closest bus stop. In the afternoon, same routine. (travel time about 3.5 hours total a day) Due to the time needed for van/bus/foot travel, I would only be in the office about 6.5 hours a day. This is simply not an option. So, for me, public transportation would not be feasible, and I do live just outside a fairly large city.

I spend several thousand dollars a year on my cars, some times more, sometimes less, not counting depreciation. Its a lot of money, but I just don't see how I can get rid of that expense.

Surely all those advice givers telling us to give up our cars and take public transportation must have always lived in the city, and maybe don't understand that public transportation is not an option for most of us?

Would you be able to comfortably live without a car? Is public transportation an option for you? How much money could you save per year if you have that option?

[LOL!]

Public transportation is not an option for me. There is none in my suburb outside a fairly large city. I ride my bike to work most days now. I could live without a car, but not comfortably.

I can walk to shopping, restaurants and banks easily. I could go to the dentist, the doctor, the hospital on my bike. I can vote by walking to the polling site at school. I can get to entertainment (movies, concerts, sports events) by walking or biking. I can take a shuttle to the airport and from there take another shuttle into the city.

Our family of 3 drivers could live with just one car. We have 2 cars. I drive the least in my family.

How much do we spend on the cars? Several thousand a year if the purchase prices are amortized over the 10 to 15 years we keep them. Insurance, gas, tires, batteries, oil changes, and other maintenance cost almost nothing compared to the purchase prices.

[mews]

I'm a carless Brooklynite.

ta,
mew

[Cattusbabe]

We have one car, a motor scooter, bicycles, access to an extensive public transportation system and feet. Which ever one gets us there the cheapest and is most convenient is what we use.

For example of we are not hauling anything big and the weather permits we double up on the scooter and roll. Going downtown we may take public transportation to avoid the high parking fees.

[W2R]

I probably could, if I wanted to, and if I was young and broke I would do that (just as I did in the 1960's, when I was young and broke).

The bus stop is right in front of my grocery store, about a half mile from my home. I don't know the bus schedule, but it would be a straight shot from there to my work (an additional mile, so I could also walk). I only have to work 4.5 more days anyway, but there is a nice shopping center next to my work, with every type of store that one could need.

The closeness of everything to my home is probably why I only have put 38,800 miles on my 2000 Solara. Actually, I would probably choose to walk everywhere if I had no car. Everything I could possibly need is within a couple of miles, and I think there could be personal safety issues for an older woman traveling alone on our bus system.

[Lakedog]

Not an option for me unless I relocate -- I am 45 miles or so from a city of any size. The closest small town is 15 miles but not much there in the way of services. I also enjoy taking road trips ranging from a couple of days to 3-4 weeks so would not likely give up the Honda even if I lived in a metro area.

[haha]

I live within a mile of the center of a large city. All my daily needs could easily be taken care of without a car, but it would be quite hard on my social life. I move around most the time walking or riding the bus or train. But I still keep my car, because so many events that I want to attend are in neighborhoods, not downtown or in my neighborhood. I would have to make 1 or sometines 2 bus transfers. It would be easier if I lived right downtown I think.

But also I am becoming more aware of crime. Mostly I feel fine walking around up where I live late at night, but just a few days ago some woman had a gun stuck in her face only 3 blocks from where I live at 10:30 PM on a Wednesday. She quickly handed over her money, but her assailant smacked her in the face with the gun for good measure.

I think the truth is that we have those nuevo-urban articles with a big grain of salt, because most of our cities are not even remotely safe.

Ha

[ziggy29]

Sounds great for someone who lives and w*rks in the big city. I'd love to be able to do all I need to do without a car, but that means living in the big city, which I have no intention of ever doing again.

[. . . Yrs to Go]

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Originally Posted by JustMeUC Surely all those advice givers telling us to give up our cars and take public transportation must have always lived in the city, and maybe don't understand that public transportation is not an option for most of us?

The irony is that people "need" cars because they have cars. The prevalence of automobiles has allowed people to move further and further away from city centers into what has become known as "suburban sprawl". It wasn't always that way. If people didn't have cars, they wouldn't live way out there in the first place. If you live out there and give up your car, then you'll probably have to move . . . which is what people who say "give up your car" really mean.

[ziggy29]

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Originally Posted by . . . Yrs to Go The irony is that people "need" cars because they have cars. The prevalence of automobiles has allowed people to move further and further away from city centers into what has become known as "suburban sprawl". It wasn't always that way. If people didn't have cars, they wouldn't live way out there in the first place. If you live out there and give up your car, then you'll probably have to move . . . which is what people who say "give up your car" really mean.

Yes, but the flip side of this is trying to tell others how to live as a few "advocates" seem to want to do. Some people just want nothing to do with city life and will pay whatever it takes in terms of inconvenience or the cost of car ownership to avoid it.

I'd sooner give up my cars and use a bicycle or an electric golf cart in town than live in a dense urban area where transit is feasible and cost-effective.

[. . . Yrs to Go]

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Originally Posted by ziggy29 Yes, but the flip side of this is trying to tell others how to live.

Which is exactly what someone is doing when they say you should give up your car.

Besides, I can't see giving up a car as a good choice on purely economic grounds unless you already live in one of the few places where a car is a simple luxury. Moving closer to the city is almost always more expensive (unless you're relocating from the beach, maybe). Surely there are ulterior motives at work here.

[ziggy29]

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Originally Posted by . . . Yrs to Go Which is exactly what someone is doing when they say you should give up your car. Besides, I can't see giving up a car as a good choice on purely economic grounds unless you already live in one of the few places where a car is a simple luxury. Moving closer to the city is almost always more expensive (unless you're relocating from the beach, maybe). Surely there are ulterior motives at work here.

Precisely. There are some people who want to make car ownership (or non-urban life) so expensive or inconvenient that they give up their cars, blow up the suburbs and crowd into the city centers. Fortunately most people recognize these folks as part of a fringe element.

[RonBoyd]

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Originally Posted by . . . Yrs to Go allowed people to move further and further away from city centers into what has become known as "suburban sprawl". It wasn't always that way.

Yeah, all those babies kept growing up and having babies. Would preventing city/town/village from expanding be some form of birth control?

(Or, I suppose, to keep up the theme of this thread you could blame it on the back seat of those pesky automobiles.)

[. . . Yrs to Go]

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Originally Posted by RonBoyd Yeah, all those babies kept growing up and having babies. Would preventing city/town/village from expanding be some form of birth control?

Nope plenty of room for everyone.

[RonBoyd]

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Originally Posted by . . . Yrs to Go Nope plenty of room for everyone.

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[Gotadimple]

I live east of Seattle in a suburb/old town. Public transportation is two blocks away, and the local business district provides a free shuttle bus through the downtown district (similar to Seattle's free ride area in downtown).

Grocery stores, restaurants and the library are within 1.5 miles walking distance, but I still have a car and use it. As HaHA says there are many times when no car would impact my social activities. Hauling 3 bags of groceries on a bus isn't exactly how I viewed my retirement.

-- Rita

[mickeyd]

I assume that "public transportation" refers to a public convenience that is supported by taxpayer bucks. We have a bus system here that I have taken on occasion to large civic events (sports events, festivals etc) from the park and ride, but never on an ongoing basis. Some politicians occasionally try to push "light rail" from time to time, but it has always gone down in flames by the voters.

[samclem]

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Originally Posted by JustMeUC Would you be able to comfortably live without a car? Is public transportation an option for you? How much money could you save per year if you have that option?

We live in the suburbs and have very infrequent bus service. There's a public van service, but reservations are required (this is used mainly by the elderly, I think it works out great for them).

So, no good public transportation options There's a bike trail 200 yards from my house that goes to a lot of shopping areas and even to downtown Dayton, so riding a bike could be a good option in fair weather.

Our two cars probably cost us $2000 per year in direct costs (gas, insurance, registration, repairs) plus with about another $2000 per year in budgeted costs for replacement vehicles. For that price, we get all the local transportation we need on a moment's notice. Not free, but beats waiting at a bus stop for 30 minutes every time we want to go anywhere, and doing all the planning to figure out transfers and routings.

When we lived in DC area the Metro (subway) was really handy. I'd use that all the time if we had to live in that place.

[haha]

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Originally Posted by samclem Our two cars probably cost us $2000 per year in direct costs (gas, insurance, registration, repairs)

I'd say you have the world's two cheapest cars, almost miraculously cheap. I drive approximately 4000-5000 miles/yr with a pretty new compact car, and have never had an at-fault accident, or any traffic violations in over 10 years. Insurance runs $940, gasoline $550, garage $900, routine oil changes, washes and maintenance $250. Forget about occasional big-time maintenance like timing belts, new tires, etc- or a sinking fund for a new car, my routine cash expenses are $2740 pa. Registration and vehicle inspection add $250 or so per year. And of course occasionally some clod is going to hit your parked car, or whatever, add another $500.

I would say that the all in costs for a decent but modest car are at minimum very close to $5000 in most cases. According to Runzheimer, which has a lot of data, this would be a laughably low estimate!

Runzheimer Analyzes Cost for Mid-Size 2009 Vehicle

Some of these discussions remind me of the yogi in India about whom it was said that once he achieved a certain level of yogi-dom he lived on air alone.

ha

[W2R]

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Originally Posted by haha I'd say you have the world's two cheapest cars, almost miraculously cheap. I drive approximately 4000-5000 miles/yr with a pretty new compact car, and have never had an at-fault accident, or any traffic violations in over 10 years. Insurance runs $940, gasoline $550, garage $900, routine oil changes, washes and maintenance $250. Forget about occasional big-time maintenance like timing belts, new tires, etc- or a sinking fund for a new car, my routine cash expenses are $2740 pa. Registration and vehicle inspection add $250 or so per year. And of course occasionally some clod is going to hit your parked car, or whatever, add another $500. I would say that the all in costs for a decent but modest car are at minimum very close to $5000 in most cases. According to Runzheimer, which has a lot of data, this would be a laughably low estimate! Runzheimer Analyzes Cost for Mid-Size 2009 Vehicle Some of these discussions remind me of the yogi in India about whom it was said that once he achieved a certain level of yogi-dom he lived on air alone. ha

For the past nine years I have averaged only 4200 miles/year on my 2000 Solara. In 2008, I spent:

$483 for gas (including the Hurricane Gustav evacuation to Missouri),
$1,128 for insurance (perfect driving record plus no collision insurance since my car is old), and
$1,262 for car maintenance including oil changes, tires, registration, etc. Maintenance used to be negligible until 2008 but the old car is starting to need attention.

The total is $2,873, so like Ha's expenses, mine come to more than $2,000. No garage or parking fees since I live in a single family house with a driveway. No clod has hit my car in a parking lot hard enough to cause much damage (but then it's old, so tiny scratches or dents don't bother me - - I might care more if it were new).

Plus, since I like new cars instead of used, you can count several thousand per year for the new car fund.