Spilling the Financial Beans to the Kids

My husband and I were open and talked about money, bills, savings & investments in front of our daughter. Neither of our parents were very open about finances while we were growing up. We both subscribe to LBYMs, but we never felt like we could talk to either parents about money when we were first starting out. It almost felt like it was taboo. My parents became more open about finances in their later years. Interestingly, my husband is the executor for his parents, but he still has no idea about their finances (just the account numbers and locations of the accounts).
Our daughter will be 25 this summer - she doesn't hesitate to talk to us about money issues. She is looking to buy a house in the next year or so - and we haven't noticed any problems from being open and honest with her on this subject.
 
I am surprised that people would want to kids in the dark about their financial situation. Hey most of us take polls on the forum for complete strangers.

I had a pretty decent idea as a teenage, since my parents bought fixer up houses in very nice neighborhoods, but were seldom in a position to keep with the neighbors with respect to other material goods.

When my dad announced in my senior year of college that he was taking an early retirement. I had an exact understand of their financial situation. Including the you are on your own for college!

It seems to me that since schools don't teach financial literacy it is up to parents to do so..`
 
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When my dad announced in my senior year of college that he was taking an early retirement. I had an exact understand of their financial situation. Including the you are on your own for college!
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Come to think of it, my dad did let it drop, in my presence, but not to me directly, that parents are only responsible to get their kids thru H.S. And my mom let it be known that they planned to pay for no weddings.

That was my homeschooling, but I could budget within a penny how much it cost me to live one month, four months, a semester, etc. Served me well.
 
While I knew that it was not the norm, I had no idea that our path of complete disclosure was so unusual. Our modern culture is very strange about sex and money. Keep in mind that no too long ago, everyone slept in the same room, and everyone know exactly how many cows/sheep/acres of land you owned.

OTOH, I understand the difference between telling your kids about sex and telling them about your sex life. Not the same thing, and I guess this also applies to finances. Maybe it shouldn't.
 
My folks kept me in the dark. Even when they retired it was hush hush. Good thing the public school system taught me how to balance a check book :rolleyes:
 
I've known for years what my dad made (not much). He made that clear to me in my youth so I would get a college degree and have a better life than he did. I find myself now in the opposite situation. I am not afraid to tell my kids how much I earn (and if they asked I would tell them about my investments). In fact, because we are able to live a pretty good life with frequent, nice, but not extravagant, vacations, homes in Asia as well as the states, etc, I make sure they are aware that the kind of money I make is not normal, and therefore the extras that they enjoy are also not normal.

Their friends at the American school here all come from similar backgrounds with fathers and/or mothers who are senior execs sent from the states and who are paid very well, and I make sure they are aware that this is also not normal. In fact, while not meager at all, most of their friends would think we live a pretty meager lifestyle, compared to theirs, even though we are not in a meager lifestyle at all, just LBOM, actually WAY below our means, and much simpler lifestyle than many around us.

I also make sure they are aware that none of the extra things we do is done on credit. After years of preaching the evils of buying on credit, my son asked me one time when we were on vacation in Hawaii, why I was using a credit card. This gave me a very good opportunity to explain to him that using a credit card was not bad, so long as he knew he had the money to pay for it as soon as the bill came, and that the bad thing about credit cards was "abusing" them...spending more than one could pay.

The point is that I don't want them to think that they can live this lifestyle fresh out of college, or without having to make some of the sacrifices I have made, to be able to have this lifestyle. I don't want them to think they can FIRE without a lot of hard work and savings. So yes, I let them know what I make, and I also compare that with the amount of money that my brother, sister and BIL make (I don't know exactly, but I know relative salary levels pretty well being in the position that I am). I let them know, not in a derogatory fashion, that the lifestyles they lead will likely be closer to my siblings' if they make the same kinds of choices (they are all very different, which helps my teenage kids put things in perspective).

The bottom line, I believe, is that it is not a bad thing to talk with your kids about this kind of thing. The figures don't necessarily have to be exact. But, without some discussion of this, how do they learn? On the other hand, you have to have a pretty good level of trust with one another to be able to have that kind of discussion, which also takes some work on the part of the parents from the time the kids are young.

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I knew all the details of my dad's finances from the time I was 11. My father trusted me and I became trustworthy.
 
Kids got their inheritance from grandmother and ...

... then they started to ask for more money. Just hints. Than an out-and-out demand for large bucks (6 figures).

When we refused the demand, I made it clear that all financial decisions were in the family trust, and that, with DW as co-trustee, any monetary decisions would be a "we' process ...

So, they disowned us, and I haven't been communicated with for over a couple of years, as of now. No contact with grandchildren, either. (I send birthday and Christmas presents, and they fall into a couple of Black Holes).

DW and I deduce a sense of frustrated entitlement fantasies being acted out, as a result of two decades of parental alienation by wife #1, with the grown children's active consent.

Sigh!
 
My mid-20s kids do share what they earn with us, with each other, and with whoever wants to know, including their friends. I do agree this is probably much healthier than keeping it a secret (but I don't remember anyone EVER sharing that info with their friends in our generation). Maybe the younger generation are so open about it and sharing the info because they are all moving from job to job (instead of the lifetime with one employer) and they use the info for negotiating salaries.

I don't think my parents would have shared financial info with us four kids anyway but we were on the poor side and there probably wasn't much info to share....
 
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....I haven't been communicated with for over a couple of years, as of now. No contact with grandchildren, either. (I send birthday and Christmas presents, and they fall into a couple of Black Holes).

DW and I deduce a sense of frustrated entitlement fantasies being acted out, as a result of two decades of parental alienation by wife #1, with the grown children's active consent.

Sigh!

This is so unfair, ScooterGuy. I guess it happens in many families. I had three cousins I never saw again after their parents' divorce. Just wrote a painful letter to one of them who was probably too young to remember me. His sister just died at age 52, he lost his other brother 5 years ago at age 50. His step-mom wrote to say he was the only one left; I have no idea what happened to his mom, if the step-mom merely never mentions her or if she, too, is gone. Had to re-word the letter to remove, "say hello to your mom," because people I feel comfortable asking don't know either.
 
Don't ask, don't tell

Our children are still young, but we have only spoken in generalities: Daddy went to school for years, worked hard and saved money. We do not need to worry about financial problems, can do some nice things, and can retire early. Here are some of the downsides I see to telling more:

-wanting us to spend more since we have it
-seeing us as fall backs and a disincentive to trying harder in life
-talking about us to other relatives/friends

As the children grow into adulthood we will certainly let them know that we are self-sufficient and that they do not need to worry about our old age. I would also like to impress on them that they too can also be like us if they LBYM, and here is how. Perhaps we will get more specific in a few decades, but it would be at a very slow pace.
 
In my most humble opinion to this very pertinent to me thread. firewhen above
has it figured out as best as I can figure it out. Let the kid(s) know that within
reason (in-state) college help is cyphered for, and if I get laid-off or retired next
week, we will still eat. And let them know they can/should do better. That is all
that kids need to know.
Dan
 
DW and I deduce a sense of frustrated entitlement fantasies being acted out, as a result of two decades of parental alienation by wife #1, with the grown children's active consent.

Sigh!
I had to work really hard to maintain communications with both my sons after our failed marriage. Current DW was amazed at how often I turned yet another cheek. But it worked out in the end and she admits now (with great admiration) that I did the right thing.

But these situations are a test of our wills and ironically, they also test the values we have instilled in the offspring.
 
My parents were very poor, so money was only discussed in terms of the value of a dollar. I realize now that they did not want to worry me...that I would grow up soon enough and have to deal with such issues.

I do not have children, but if I did, I would discuss money issues with them. I would start at an early age, teaching the value of a dollar. I believe when they reached their teen years, I would discuss the fundamentals of money. Such as saving, investments and goals. I would explain the family budget because if they know the facts, they would be able to understand how and why decisions are made.

I hate to think of a child growing up too quickly, but I believe knowledge will benefit them in the long run. I think if my parents had shared more with me, I would have been better prepared.
 
My parents divorced when I was very young, and both remarried. One set did much better than the other but now both are FI. After I got married my mom became much more open about the finances, only spoke in generalities before then. That's probably because I FREAKED the one time I saw a savings account ATM slip that said something like $40k. Heck, that's a good chunk of money now, and this was the late 80's. Probably worth several million, and will probably leave most of it to PBS or the Sierra Club. ;)
 
My parents never told us kids how much they made or what their net worth was. Recently, I found out about my dad's net worth by accident and it is much much higher than I would have ever expected. He doesn't know that I know and I will keep pretending I know nothing until he is ready to open up about it. My MIL is quite open about her finances with me, but not with her own daughter. My wife is her only heir yet she doesn't know how much she would inherit! But I do and as promised to my MIL, I have never told my wife... Strange. But my MIL behaves like it's almost bad form for a beneficiary to know in advance what they will receive. Since I am not a beneficiary, it's OK for me to know...

If I had kids I would not tell them either what my income or net worth is. It's not their income, it's not their net worth, it's not their money so it's none of their business... That's how I see it at least.
 
my parents had a house on the water and a boat behind it & always ate out. they had wonderful vacations, touring most of this country and some of europe. they loved cruises, especially after boating became difficult for the ol'man. they spent a lot of money and they made a lot of money. money wasn't an issue because it was something that was always worked for. they relied not so much on accounts but on their business. they never discussed with me accounts or amounts or retirement and mom would be shocked to learn that i'm not currently employed., regardless of my bank accounts. it did not matter how much money someone has; what mattered was that you could always earn more.

the ol'man never discussed with me accounts but he did try to get me to rejoin the family business when he knew his time was nearing an end. it was less important to him to give me money but more important to offer me the means to make my own.
 
When I am older(20 now) and then when I get married, and then when we have kids, and then when they get old enough to ask those questions I will answer with full disclosure, as per ability to understand of course.

But as I will be a financial adviser, they will be raised with very good "money sense".
 
I was raised in total freakin' financial ignorance in the 1960s & 70s. For those of you who think it's not a good idea to share the general family finances with the kids-- shame on you. I never felt comfortable about family money and I usually learned about issues via the "lightning bolt" method. When my father quit his job (bad work environment) I freaked out and had no sense of reassurance or comfort.

I never had an idea what my folks earned, how much we had, or how much we spent. College funding was never discussed because I went to a service academy. I learned budgeting & finances the hard way during college, and after college when I asked Dad about investments I was directed to the Business Week annual mutual fund rankings.

Spouse was ahead of me there. During the '80s & '90s we saved like crazy and put it into "good" Fidelity mutual funds. I didn't educate myself out of my blissful ignorance until well into the late 1990s through financial websites and books like Dominguez & Terhorsts.

I guess my parent's finances were OK. When my grandfather died (six years ago, or about a year short of Medicaid) my father disclaimed the small inheritance and passed it on to us kids. These days my father jokes about not eating as much in order to afford expensive prescription medications. At least I hope he's joking. It's hard to tell.

My father-in-law was a financial whiz in the '70s and '80s with rental real estate and individual stocks. Spouse learned a lot about saving, managing money, and rental real estate by watching him. But they never talked about money with their kids, either, and today we suspect that these children of the Depression have their portfolio 100% in fixed income and losing to inflation. Now that interest rates have started dropping (and their Treasuries are rolling over at lower APYs) we are not looking forward to the phone calls. Spouse feels impaled on the horns of a dilemma-- "If I don't send a check, they'll keep calling. If I do send a check, they'll never call me again-- until next year. Hmmm."

In typical Boomer fashion, we've totally overcompensated by teaching our kid about financial management as soon as she's shown the motivation. David Owens' "First National Bank of Dad" book rocks. She's had an allowance since before kindergarten, "Bank of Kid CDs" at age 7, a checking account at age 9, a semi-annual clothing budget at age 12, and a credit card at age 13. Now at age 15 it's all worked out great; she has an $8.50/hour part-time job and a Roth IRA. Next step is a gas budget.

Our Nords family finances have always been discussed in terms of whether something was in the budget or not, and as she started middle school we started talking about her own budget. A couple years ago she came into the room one day as I was working on the Quicken ER portfolio, looked over my shoulder, and said "Holy sh-crap, Dad, is that how much we have?!?" In my best Cosby imitation I pointed out that her mother and I had the money but she was broke. Then I talked about how it seems like a lot of money today but it has to last for 40 or 50 years.

We freely share the data on spouse's Reserve pay, my pension, our spending, and occasionally our stock-market performance. We go into great detail on what it costs to live at college, buy groceries, eat out, own a car, set up a first apartment, and buy a house. When she expresses fondness for a luxury item we say "Gosh, you better get a really good job and save up for that." Now that she's achieved both of those goals we help her research her purchases and see if they're really necessary for her lifestyle. She's decided that she doesn't need a monthly cell phone bill or a Palm Pilot until she's in college, and her savings are getting to the point of starting up a taxable brokerage account. But she's treated herself to some really good drafting equipment and school supplies.

We have the usual "In Case of Emergency" folder with all the financial info, account numbers, logins, and passwords. Spouse's brother, a CPA, is the guardian for another couple years. When our kid turns 18 she'll become our executrix. Spouse and I haven't decided yet if we're giving it all away or giving it all to our kid. Plenty of discussions but no decisions.

So for now we tell her that we're doing our best to spend all of our money, that we're planning to attend her 75th birthday party, and that we're not leaving any inheritance. She "knows" she's gonna have to make it on her own, and we wouldn't spoil that motivation for anything.
 
My parents didn't teach us much about money, just that we didn't have much and that was why we couldn't do as much as some of the neighbors. Dad was a spender and in that manner taught me a healthy fear of debt. He's the one who ran up a credit card bill in the '60's and my mother went to work when I was about 13, it took them years to pay it off. I never knew how much the debt was, just that they were in a position that their credit limits were exhausted.

In high school Dad was the one who co-signed for a motorcycle loan that I paid off in a year, and another one for a larger bike when I got the community college AA degree. So it wasn't until after my divorce at age 33 that I became much more financially conservative, looking at starting over from scratch with a net worth of about $8K and a law enforcement career that would leave me eligible to retire in 15years. I wanted to be in a position so that I'd never have to work again if I didn't want to.

I didn't learn about my mother's finances in full until six months before she died, and then only because she was having trouble balancing her checkbook. I was surprised at how much she had accumulated. She was the financially conservative one and after Dad died there was little discussion about it, although I knew from her lifestyle that she felt that she didn't have much.

So, most of what I learned about handling money was from the School Of Hard Knocks.
 
Based on the "we earned it and they tried to spend it" school of economics, we choose not to discuss our financial situation with our kids when they were growing up - other than in general terms. Now that they are adults, we do have a detailed "in case of emergency" letter for them when it's needed.

We didn't discuss our finances with our daughter when she was growing up either. But, after my husband died, I think one of the greatest fears that my daughter had was financial. So, I shared information with her. I think that helped some. I think that I will be more open with information with her now. Since, at some point in time, she will need to know more about my financial life.
 
I would guess most people who read or post here who have children have been careful to educate them financially either overtly or by modeling LBYM behavior. Like Nords we also gave our children allowances, opened up kids' saver accounts at the bank, encouraged and enabled them to have summer jobs even in middle school (babysitting and caddying). When my kids hit high school age we gave them Personal Finance for Dummies and they read it cover to cover. They always knew if they did well in school that we would provide for the college that corresponded to that performance. They knew that many of their friends were a lot better off than we are (stupid us for buying the cheapest house in an affluent town before we had kids--smart Brewer for doing the opposite as described above!) and we discussed how we saved for vacations and why we didn't buy designer clothes and luxury cars, etc., as different situations arose. They majored in business and have been completely self-sufficient since being handed their bachelor's degrees. They are fiscally conservative and live well below their means.

But in our case we still chose not to share with them the details of our financial situation re income and assets when they were younger. They knew we obviously had enough for our family's lifestyle and we personally didn't feel a need to provide more info than that to them.
 
I agree with some here that have said what they make is irrelevant when discussing finances with their children. Eventually it may come into play, but I would think a good place to start would be looking at the minimum wage, and showing them how an imaginary budget may or may not work based on that. Then going up in tiers, and discussing what they would most likely need to do education and career-wise to reach those tiers. Also try to help them imagine what they may have to sacrifice to get to those tiers and help them decide if it would be worth it to them. It's really about their choices. I think starting from the bottom, ie minimum wage, may be a real eye opener and possibly a good motivator.

Disclaimer: I have no kids and little life experience (turn 31 tomorrow), so my opinions are mostly theory, which doesn't always mesh well with practice :)
 
I think I grew up too poor for modesty. I remember the first time I got an idea of what our family made was when I was maybe 8 years old filing out a warranty card for some product I bought (ah, to be young again and believe that a warranty card would actually help register the warranty). I filled out the lowest bubble for annual income (poverty level), and my mother noticed and said no actually we are middle class not poor.

I went to a good suburban school and with financial aid an elite private college, so I was always surrounded with kids whose families had more than I did. My mom was very careful to note that many of those kids had trust funds which meant they didn't have to be as careful with their money as I did.

One thing that really stuck out in my financial education was my parents practice of matching financial savings. If I could save $10 toward some toy I wanted, my parents would often match the other $10 and I could get the $20 toy. This is how most of my childhood possessions were acquired. Christmastime was always a bit weird.. my parents couldn't afford the big gifts (e.g. camera or bicycle) so I would announce the big item I wanted and relatives would give checks towards that. Usually I ended up getting the big item with some combination of money from relatives, parents, and some of my own. This practice really helped with understanding how saving could get me much more than spending now.

On the one hand I wouldn't be FIREd in my 30s without that education in savings. On the other hand however I don't feel like I learned the emotional aspects of gifting and sharing as well as others, because I was always focussed on the goals rather than the satisfaction of simply sharing.
 
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