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Old 11-28-2019, 12:13 AM   #301
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Cyberbus!,lol!, love that Major.


Byton, Lordstown, truck looks very appealing!
The Rivian too, both and others will beat the "ugly one" to market.
Elon said it wasnt for everyone. And doesn't care.,lol!
They say beauty is only skin deep. Sledgehammer ,9mm. steel cannon ball, Ha;, True here, It's the Specs that reveal a leap in cost and efficiency improvements,all that power,drivetrain, adaptive suspension, Apilot, on board air compressor 240v.250mi range for $39,900. Up,..? In 2021 dollar's? Deal.
TSLA -3% misses the fact that the Shanghai factory will be selling Mdl III as fast as iPhones, hee,hee, .
I think you'd rather have Semi truck, me too.
Meanwhile, Ford E before Tesla Y?


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146,000 Preorders already? Let me guess,
could be the Pentagon procured the APC, aka, Cybrtrk. Think it through, she fits in our Nuclear powered aircraft carriers, Fully charged!, Better and cheaper than a Humvee, as ugly,..lol, no gas or oil aboard, can't rust,.hits the battlefield silently, no heat signature or exhaust, powers a railgun, Has K9 mode !, 5G connected to SpaceX Starlink global array, she will kick ass in Afghanistan,Iran,Iraq, Syria,. perhaps Mexico and Los Angeles.
Potus like at ten x the price, priceless!
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:18 AM   #302
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I think it is more like a quarter million pre-orders now.

Even if some ppl are not serious, in this day and age it is impressive that a quarter million people actually have a spare $100.
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I think it is more like a quarter million pre-orders now.

Even if some ppl are not serious, in this day and age it is impressive that a quarter million people actually have a spare $100.
A $25,000,000 interest free loan is nothing to sneeze at.
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A $25,000,000 interest free loan is nothing to sneeze at.
True, never thought about it like that. Since the trucks will not even launch until 2021 at the earliest, Tesla is making $3,000,000 in saved interest (if you figure the best loan they could get is 6% rate) in addition to the great advertising the pre-orders do.
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A $25,000,000 interest free loan is nothing to sneeze at.

Even better than a loan, it's a non-refundable deposit and probably half of the depositors won't follow through with a purchase. I'm sure Tesla would rather get the purchase but free money in any case.
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Even better than a loan, it's a non-refundable deposit and probably half of the depositors won't follow through with a purchase. I'm sure Tesla would rather get the purchase but free money in any case.
These are actually refundable deposits.
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These are actually refundable deposits.
Assuming Tesla continues to stay out of bankruptcy.
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Assuming Tesla continues to stay out of bankruptcy.
Eh, they are a long way from bankruptcy. SpaceX would probably bail them out just like Tesla bailed out SolarCity
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Eh, they are a long way from bankruptcy. SpaceX would probably bail them out just like Tesla bailed out SolarCity
The rating agencies would beg to differ.
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These are actually refundable deposits.

Yea you're right, I had assumed they followed the same non refundable order deposit policy as their other models.
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I have the same F-150 as the OP. 2018 and love it.

I will buy the F-150 E version when it is available. Done with fossil fuels.
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Yea you're right, I had assumed they followed the same non refundable order deposit policy as their other models.
The Model 3 deposit was and is refundable...

https://www.tesla.com/support/model-...vation-deposit
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The Model 3 deposit was and is refundable...

https://www.tesla.com/support/model-...vation-deposit

I believe that's the old policy, if you go through and try to place an order on their web site it's a $100 non-refundable order fee.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...policy-change/


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[QUOTE=zinger1457;2331776]I believe that's the old policy, if you go through and try to place an order on their web site it's a $100 non-refundable order fee.

You are both correct,..For the Mdl III pre production,. It WAS $1000 . , refundable. However Today, in production, order a Mdl III and you get it in weeks, so now its $100 non refundable.

However, For the Mdl Y the deposit is $2500. Refundable.

For the Roadster 2.0 I think it's $5K down on C.C., $45K wired within 10 days, and you're in.
Ditto For the Tesla Semi Truck.
But, smart individuals here know you must review your MVPA , motor vehicle purchase agreement carefully.

Its all about the Grin factor !!, And worth every penny!
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I should open a Robinhood special account with $100 and see if I can turn it into enough to buy a baseline Cybertruck by 2022.

Lets see...I would need....only a 40,000% return in 2 years. So about 6% per week compounded for 104 weeks.

Seems doable.
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Since you have brought it up numerous times, after I had moved on...To the poster who stated "you can't get a 35k Tesla" you were proven incorrect about that. ...
Yes, and did you notice I owned up to my mistake, once it was pointed out? It's not hard, really.

It was a more-than-honest mistake. I actually took the effort to go to Tesla's web site, to see if there was a $35,000 M3 for sale. I didn't want to rely on my memory, and be called out for that if I were wrong or things had been updated and I hadn't heard. There was no $35,000 on their site at the time. Seemed like a reasonable conclusion that they weren't selling them at that time. But it turns out you can get them if you call or go into a store. OK, you "got me"!


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If after all the discussion on this, you still don't understand the difference between going down a long grade with a fully charged EV versus an ICE, then you never will. I re-read post #109, and I stand behind what I wrote, it is exactly what I meant. Check the full context ( a long, steep grade that would overheat unaided friction brakes to the point of failure). I will leave it at that.

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Just noticed this...

Yes, and did you notice I owned up to my mistake, once it was pointed out? It's not hard, really.
After stating ‘I still don't see the promised $35,000 Model 3, and the tax credit is running out soon, raising the effective price by $7,500 over when that promise was made’ at least twice.

First you tried to say you knew all along, false. Then you whined, rationalized and qualified your mistake instead of just admitting you were wrong - that came much later. And you’re claiming it was off menu/not available on their website when you were shown it was available online at $35K briefly last Spring. You missed the $35K window, that’s your problem not Tesla’s.

Not hard?

Not that anyone needs to bother re-reading.
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RE: $35,000 M3 -

Yes, I was aware it was available for a short time, which is consistent with my "good luck in finding the truck at $39,900".

Though doing some searching, it appears you can buy a $35,000 M3 if you call them or go into a store, they just don't have it on their web site. I think there were some other 'downgrades' they did t make it less attractive, but $35,000 is $35,000. Tesla seems to be burying it, as I assume the profit margin (if any) isn't helping them. That's OK, but it's just not going to happen at the volumes all the EV sites were excited about when it was announced.

So yes, with the time frames on that truck, I suspect it will be a very long time, if ever, that you can buy one at $39,900. Or that it would be configured such that you would want to buy on at that price.

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Well, at the time I wrote it I did not see it on the web site. And I still don't see it on the web site.

I think you are getting a little too specific with the wording. I think the common usage would include the following scenario:

A) A product is available for sale.

B) Later, the product is on back order.

C) Sometime later, I look again, and it is still on back order.

I think in common usage, a person wouldn't be questioned if they said the product is still not available. The fact that it was available in the past isn't applicable to that context.

Regardless, I was unaware that the $35,000 M3 is available through phone/store, so I was wrong about the availability anyhow. But how was I supposed to know it was an 'off-menu' item? Not being on their web site sure gives the impression it is not for sale. So either way, it is available. But the point remains, it took about 3 years from showing prototypes to delivering any $35,000 M3s at all. So yes, I still think "good luck in finding the truck at $39,900" applies. It will take a while, if ever.

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It was a more-than-honest mistake. I actually took the effort to go to Tesla's web site, to see if there was a $35,000 M3 for sale. I didn't want to rely on my memory, and be called out for that if I were wrong or things had been updated and I hadn't heard. There was no $35,000 on their site at the time. Seemed like a reasonable conclusion that they weren't selling them at that time. But it turns out you can get them if you call or go into a store. OK, you "got me"!
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